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He is the most interesting man in the 2017 draft (should he declare), if someone can strip Pat Mahomes II down, and rebuild him from scratch they might have the next Aaron Rodgers, dude is physically special, but completely illiterate in pro style offense, and proper QB concepts that most HS prospects have because Techs offense is so gimmicky.  Don't be surprised if he shoots up boards come March because what he can do in shorts.

He also has professional sports pedigree being the son of a former Major leaguer, and grew up in MLB dugouts each summer.  

Someone might fall in love with him alla Tebow, and I wouldn't be shocked if he gets taken Rd 1.

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Man there is just something about this kid, I really really really like him, something about this kid makes me say more talented Prescot.

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I'm getting close to officially declaring that I'm pounding the table for Mahomes.  Stay tuned.

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http://redraiders.com/filed-online/2016-11-10/williams-kiper-puts-mahomes-high-draft-prospects-chart#.WCz2RMtOnqA

 

Williams: Kiper puts Mahomes high up on draft prospects chart

ESPN draft analyst has high praise for Tech QB

Posted: November 10, 2016 - 9:08pm  |  Updated: November 11, 2016 - 12:59am
 
Texas Tech's Patrick Mahomes (5) passes the ball during the football game against TCU, Saturday, Oct. 29, 2016, at Amon G. Carter Stadium in Fort Worth, Texas. (Brad Tollefson/A-J Media)  Brad Tollefson
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Texas Tech's Patrick Mahomes (5) passes the ball during the football game against TCU, Saturday, Oct. 29, 2016, at Amon G. Carter Stadium in Fort Worth, Texas. (Brad Tollefson/A-J Media)
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Just when I and other people said Patrick Mahomes II looks not ready for the NFL with some of his performances lately, ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. slots the Texas Tech junior as the No. 2 quarterback prospect for the 2017 NFL draft. In position-by-position rankings he put out Thursday, Kiper has Mahomes behind only North Carolina’s Mitch Trubisky and right ahead of Clemson’s Deshaun Watson, Notre Dame’s DeShone Kizer, Miami’s Brad Kaaya and Oklahoma’s Baker Mayfield.

Kiper called Mahomes “the big mover” in the ranking.

“He has an NFL body (6-3, 230) and an NFL arm,” the analyst wrote. “He’s going to take time to adjust to the NFL, though, and whichever team that picks him will have to be patient.”

Mahomes, should he choose to come out, could be helped by this being considered not a strong class for quarterbacks.

Oklahoma State coach Mike Gundy this week compared Mahomes to Dak Prescott, the rookie quarterback who’s tearing it up for the Dallas Cowboys. Oklahoma State beat Mississippi State 21-3 in 2013, when Prescott was a sophomore for the Bulldogs.

“I think he’s a potential first-round pick,” Gundy said of Mahomes. “He reminds me a lot of Dak Prescott when we played Dak and Mississippi State when he was younger. The style of play, body, strength, speed, ability to throw in different positions, it reminds me a lot of him.”

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According to Charlie Campbell of Walterfootball.com Hue Jackson has his pick from the 2017 draft class that he wants, and speculates it's Pat Mahomes II.

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1 minute ago, Fibonacci said:

Lupz

How old are you?

What is your football background?

You were the one praising Dak Prescott last year before anyone on entire NFL planet. You signed praises for Mahomes before everyone and now he is shooting up the draft board. Turns out, you have a keen eye for QB talent. Need to get you close to Jets Front Office at some capacity. I am not kidding. 

Lol thanks for the praise, I am a fan just like everyone else, the draft just happens to interest me more then most (probably because I'm a Jets fan, and it's for the most part always looking towards the NFL draft), and always pay close attention to QB'S because we'll the Jets have always needed one since I can remember.

Mahomes is my guy for 2017, last year I loved Wentz, and Prescott.  Besides Mahomes don't like much from the 2017 class of QB'S, but that could change.

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Patrick Mahomes Isn’t Another System Quarterback

He’s one of the best players in college football and a potential first-round NFL draft pick. And in many ways, the Texas Tech star has baseball to thank.

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When he was 4 years old, one of college football’s best current passers upstaged his parents’ wedding by deciding in the middle of the reverend’s prayer to throw the small pillow he’d been made to carry.

“Hey,” Patrick Mahomes II hissed to his younger cousin. “Catch.”

This was not unforeseen. For years, he’d preferred throwing candy to eating it, so his parents ensured the pillow didn’t bear rings. But when his cousin dropped the toss, he huffed away, frustrated no one would play.

He rarely had that problem again, because he spent every summer following his father, Pat Mahomes, around one of the six clubhouses he played in across an 11-year Major League Baseball career.

Pat raised his son in the outfield playing catch, sometimes with his godfather, LaTroy Hawkins. At 5, Patrick shagged his first fly ball when Robin Ventura sent one into the Yankee Stadium outfield before the Subway Series. By 6, he was taking grounders at shortstop with Alex Rodriguez in Texas.

Baseball seemed preordained. And so when a 17-year-old Patrick was driving home from visiting the University of Texas, Pat asked his son why he was still messing around with football. It could only increase his injury risk, Pat said, which might scare teams in the MLB draft.

“If I was a betting man,” Pat said, “I wouldn’t have laid a penny on him playing college football.”

Four years later, the Texas Tech junior is arguably the most exciting college quarterback not named Lamar Jackson. Among power-conference players, the projected first-round NFL draft pickleads the nation in passer rating and passing yards per game. But even after leading the NCAA in total offense last season, he knows there’s still a lot of work to do. After he turned down more than a million dollars to pursue a sport he once almost quit, he’s left trying to adapt the tools he learned in baseball to make him a better quarterback — and to prove that his success isn’t the result of the system he’s in.

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That work begins by proving he’s more than the latest shiny stat sheet to come off the TTU assembly line. Many college football fans dismiss Mahomes’s numbers, analysts said, because they’re used to Texas Tech quarterbacks posting gaudy totals.

“Any [Air Raid] offense where you’re throwing the ball 50 to 60 times a game to guys who are single-covered in space, your numbers are inflated,” said Ian Boyd, a college football writer who hasextensively analyzed Mahomes’s game.“But not everyone can go out there and do what he’s doing. Mahomes is much more talented than [a system quarterback].”

The Whitehouse, Texas, native is bigger than most Air Raid signal-callers at 6-foot-3, 230 pounds — about the size of Andrew Luck — yet remains quick enough to force defenses into respecting his scrambling ability. From 2008 to 2013, Texas Tech quarterbacks combined to rush for 5 yards, including yardage lost on sacks. In 2015, his first full season as the starter, Mahomes ran for 456.

While his legs help him avoid the pass rush and extend plays, Mahomes’s arm provides much of his success. It’s one of the strongest arms Don Williams has seen in 30 years of covering Texas Tech for the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal. He’s up there, Williams said, with the mid-’80s redheaded gunslinger Billy Joe Tolliver, who it was said could throw a football through a car wash without it getting wet.

Mahomes, who throws 65 yards from his knees and 85 yards standing, can overcome poor mechanics with his arm. “Not too many cats on the planet can do that,” said Kliff Kingsbury, head coach of the 2–1 Red Raiders.

He routinely completes passes into tight coverage despite throwing across his body or off his back foot. His season highlights look like they were generated while playing Madden on Rookie difficulty. His arm is so strong that once, while being flushed out of the pocket and sensing an imminent hit, he flicked the ball away only to overthrow a receiver 55 yards downfield.

The busted-throttle style can also be his downfall. For every video clip of Mahomes heaving an impossibly long touchdown, there’s less widely circulated game film of a similar play ending in an incompletion or worse.

Last season, he threw 15 interceptions, tied for the third most in the FBS. His completion percentage of 63.5 was about six points lower than Kingsbury wanted. Mahomes went into the huddle planning to escape the pocket and said he sometimes looked for big plays that weren’t there.

“He makes so many more stupid throws than your average quarterback does,” Boyd said, “but his hit rate on them is extremely high. That’s kind of a difficult thing to parse.”

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Mahomes wasn’t even supposed to be in position to throw bad interceptions. He was better at baseball and basketball, his father and godfather said. Patrick never specifically trained for arm strength, but it came to him from daily long toss in the outfield.

And when he played football, he wasn’t supposed to play quarterback. He had in ninth grade, but the high school coaches moved him to safety, where he excelled because of his athleticism. He didn’t enjoy it, though, and before his junior year he told his mom he didn’t want to play the game anymore.

“He thought about quitting all summer,” his mother, Randi Mahomes, said. “I told him that I had quit some things too in high school, and sometimes I still beat myself up for that.”

He faced another “grown-man decision,” as Hawkins called it. After his parents divorced when he was young, he’d made a lot of them. Living with his mom, he took on more chores. Sometimes he declined friends’ invitations to hang out because he needed to watch his two younger siblings. In the seventh grade, he chose to get himself baptized; he wanted, his mom said, “to become a man in church.” In 2014, the Arizona Diamondbacks called between the first and second rounds of the MLB draft and offered seven figures. The Detroit Tigers drafted him in the 37th round. Mahomes turned down both for Texas Tech.

After the split he’d spent his summers with his dad, and while Patrick learned how to be a professional athlete while sitting in the dugout, Pat and Hawkins tried to teach the boy how to be a man. They showed “Lil Pat” how to work out, told him not to show anybody up. When Patrick cried after losses in his own games as a kid, Pat saw himself in his son and told him softly to not put so much pressure on himself.

Together, the men stoked Lil Pat’s smoldering competitiveness with trash talk. He played better with stakes. He wasn’t fast, but displayed “game speed” in every sport he played. He enjoyed quieting crowds more than making them roar. The first time he dunked in a game, it was on somebody.

As he struggled with whether to play football his junior year, his mother asked him if he could really imagine himself cheering from the stands. He couldn’t, so he stayed on the team. The QB from the season before had graduated, and Mahomes ended up escaping another season in the secondary, competing with his best friend for the starting quarterback job. But by Week 3, he’d won it. He fell back in love with football. A year later, Kingsbury was in the stands to watch him.

Mahomes’s raw talent reminded Texas Tech’s new head coach of a QB he had coached before, a fiery former baseball player with a helluva arm who could also make plays with his feet. As the offensive coordinator at Texas A&M, Kingsbury had helped Johnny Manziel become the first freshman to win the Heisman Trophy.

Johnny was a little faster than Mahomes, more of a runner, Kingsbury said. But their similarities made him confident enough in the three-star recruit that Mahomes was the only quarterback Texas Tech signed in the 2014 class. That initial trust earned Mahomes’s loyalty, which paid off for Tech when Notre Dame and LSU came calling late.

As the awards and attention piled up during his senior year, Mahomes saw a brighter future on the gridiron than on the diamond. He talked to Hawkins about how to appreciate the taste of fame without letting it get to him. Hawkins’s advice went something like his voicemail: “You’ve reached LaTroy’s phone. If you’re calling about money, hang up.”

His high school athletic department asked Mahomes to do a photo shoot for some posters. There, he flashed the first of the trademark right-arm flexes that he now breaks out after every touchdown. In the only game Kingsbury saw Mahomes play at Whitehouse (Texas) High School, against East Texas rival Carthage, the QB flexed a career-high seven times. Kingsbury left at halftime.

“I said, ‘We’re good,’” Kingsbury remembered. “He had a bunch of tools that I thought, if we could ever refine ’em, he could be something special.”

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Mahomes quit the Texas Tech baseball team this spring after appearing in three games last season, and he spent a lot of his first offseason ever away from baseball in a dark room in the back half of Texas Tech’s football complex. It’s near Kingsbury’s office and can fit about four players. There are two computers and a poster of Jones AT&T Stadium, and green turf covers the entire floor. There, Mahomes strapped on a virtual reality headset and held a football as he mimicked plays, reviewing mechanics and progressions with his body.

“I’m really working on dropping back, taking those three steps,” Mahomes said. “It’s something that’s taken a lot of repetition to do because in high school I didn’t take great drops. My first year here, I kind of shuffled back.”

Though he spends hours each week preparing to execute the game plan — Kingsbury trusts him enough that pre-snap audibles have been at his discretion since the moment he first set foot on the field — Mahomes still thrives on chaos. He’s still turning broken plays into broken records. He’s currently on pace to be the first college player ever to pass for 5,000 yards, run for 500, and total 50 touchdowns in a season.

Last season, he narrowly missed the mark (by 347 passing yards, 44 rushing yards, and four touchdowns) despite spraining his MCL in Week 4 against TCU. He’d gritted through pain before, playing senior year football, basketball, and baseball on a broken foot. After the sprain, Mahomes impressed Kingsbury by lugging his right leg around for the rest of the season, strapped into the brace he wears still.

“The only thing that can stop him is injury,” Boyd said. “The [level of competition] might get better, but his defense is playing so bad right now, and other Big 12 offenses go so fast. He’s going to have to throw 40 to 60 passes per game. It’s crazy, but they’re putting it all on him. That’s almost a lock.”

When he’s not using VR, Mahomes spends half-a-dozen hours per week reviewing film on his laptop and iPad. He went to his first football camp this summer, the Manning Passing Academy, and learned from Peyton Manning that he has to watch as much film on himself as he watches on the defense.

He sees what he wants to improve: pocket presence, read progression, shifting the defense with his eyes, managing the game. He knows not every throw needs to be a bomb. According to the NFL QB rating formula, he’s a perfect 158.3 on play-action dropback passes this season.

By the time he sets foot on real stadium turf each week, he’s visualized the throws he’ll make that day. His routine never alters: After stretching and putting the sleeves on his right arm and left leg, he walks to the 30-yard line and throws a football at the goal post until he hits it.

“I’m a baseball player,” Mahomes said. “I’ve always been a baseball player, so I really keep everything the same on game day.”

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The most valuable lesson he learned from baseball is one his coaches say can’t be taught. In those clubhouses, he watched men fail at their jobs every day. He came to understand that success depended on not remembering the last play. That mind-set is the same one that allows him to roll out, see a receiver deep, and, whether he’s just thrown a touchdown or interception, throw the ball again.

Nowhere was that ability more evident than on the first two full series of his college career. Trailing at Oklahoma State by 10 in the fourth quarter in 2014, sophomore QB Davis Webb hurt his shoulder, so Kingsbury sent in his true freshman quarterback.

As Mahomes dropped back to throw, a defensive lineman swatted the ball out of his hands. Mahomes reached for the ball, scooped it up, and, barely looking, flung it out to the flat. His first career pass was intercepted.

When Texas Tech got the ball back, he marched the Red Raiders down to the Oklahoma State goal line. His first pass since the interception, a 4-yard corner route to receiver Jakeem Grant, led to his first college flex.

“That play was when it hit me: This kid’s got some real stuff about him,” Kingsbury said. “He was poised, we were behind. He threw an incredible corner route. He’s never looked back.”

Mahomes went on to win the job from Webb (who’s since transferred to Cal), become one of the nation’s best passers, and leave behind the game that shaped him.

Now, what he remembers from the throw that launched his career is coming to the line, identifying man coverage, knowing Grant would be open, lofting the ball toward the back left pylon, and hearing the stadium grow quiet.

“Jakeem is a speedster,” Mahomes said. “I knew he could break ’em off.”

Then, channeling the little boy throwing the pillow from the altar, he added: “So I put it up and just said, ‘Hey, catch.’”

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Patrick Mahomes Scouting Report: Could he be a fit with the Arizona Cardinals?

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Pat Mahomes of Texas Tech has a lot of good, could he fit in Arizona as the Quarterback of the Future?

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10:00 AM press conference for Mahomes today (11:00 AM Eastern time I believe), hope he declares, and Jets take notice.

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Mahomes given late 1st early 2nd round grade by draft advisory committee, hence reason he announced he will declare.

If the Jets have no plans to Suck for Darnold then go get me Mahomes man.  Trade back into the 1st round after selecting D Cook at 6, or trade back twice to land him.

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9 minutes ago, section314 said:

Have not seen him play, so can't comment. Lots of you guys on here really like this kid. Why? I mean that question respectfully. 

If you actually read through this thread you will see me explaining why I like him so much, either through my own words, or the articles I've posted about him in the thread.

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11 minutes ago, section314 said:

Your analysis is getting out there. Saw on Walter Football......Mahomes to Texans at pick #22.

Just wait till he blows up the combine, he might have an RGIII ascension, this kids raw talent in all athletic aspects is off the charts for a QB, nothing he can't do physically.

IF, IF he some how wows the talent evaluators during interviews, film session, X, and O's he might even go #1 overall.  If you remember last year at this time Carson Wentz was just beginning to be talked about as POSSIBLY being a 1st rounder then ended up being the 2nd overall pick by May, this same situation wouldn't surprise me with Mahomes if he nails the interviews, the physical talent is not even a question.

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It's funny Goff came from the same type of college gimmick offense, and went #1 overall with half the talent physically Mahomes has, and guys like Gruden, and S Payton are lining up to coach him.

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3 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Quick. Name a QB in the NFL that has come from an air raid college system and has had success at the next level. 

Quick name a an Air Raid QB that had this kids talent?

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3 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

That's pretty subjective. There are plenty of guys with arm talent that never make it or figure it out. I'd be happy to be wrong but the fact is there aren't many coming from an offense like that to the NFL that have successful careers. 

In your opinion would say Aaron Rodgers be the same QB if he played at Texas Tech's offense instead of Cal's non Pro Style offense?

Dak Prescott played in Urban Meyers non pro style spread offense.

Jared Goff played in the same Air Raid system as Mahomes last season, yes his mechanics are better then Mahomes, but his talent level everywhere else is inferior.

I hate this nonsense a guy can't be successful because of the college system he played in, yes it applied to a guy like Kingsbury because he was not talented enough physically for the NFL, Mahomes is the most physically gifted QB to ever run the Air Raid system, and I can't wait for people to forget about his college system when he blows people's minds at the combine.

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9 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

That's pretty subjective. There are plenty of guys with arm talent that never make it or figure it out. I'd be happy to be wrong but the fact is there aren't many coming from an offense like that to the NFL that have successful careers. 

Also he doesn't just have Arm talent, he has everything physically, not just the arm, if you forced him too, and he accepted the challenge he would probably make it as a S, LB, or a WR in the NFL, BUT he does also have the best arm talent in this draft, clean up his foot work, let him learn the language of a playbook, and he is plug, and play once that's taken care of, his combine interviews will determine how quickly NFL evaluaters think this process will take, if it's in the Wilson Prescott time frame he goes mid 1st round easily in this crap ass QB class.

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1 minute ago, Tinstar said:

He looks like a bigger, stronger more athletic Bryce Petty with a better arm . I agree with the Brett Favre comparison, but when Favre was a college  player   

He is a mix of Favre (gun slinger mentality with arm to match mentality) Russell Wilson (Mobility to extend plays outside the pocket, and being able to make plays with his feet to pick up yards).

All that said I still think coming out of college he is a better version of Aaron Rodgers, the question is does he have half the mental aspect that Rodgers has, if he does he will be a very good QB in the NFL, with the ability to reach the pinnacle of the sport.  His background growing up traveling with his father over the summers fielding ground balls with ARod, and such makes me confident the mental, and pressure aspect of being a professional in the NFL a non issue, he is probably top 5 ever to come out of the draft to have this kind of grooming and preparation to handle the outside noise of being a professional athlete in the NFL.

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45 minutes ago, Paradis said:

I totally disagree. He's awful when the read isn't there. No Anticipation, terrible pocket presence. After watching some games, I walked away seeing another Bryce Petty. Wouldn't touch him even in the 7th round personally.

Must have watched that tape with the same glasses you watched Paxton Lynch's with, were in complete disagreement here, he will be the most successful QB to come out of this draft IMO he has everything you need to succeed at the next level, I saw the same thing in Dak Prescott last year that I see in Mahomes except Mahomes is a better physical talent.

I mean to say you won't touch a guy in the 7th round, and this guy will 100% get drafted 3rd round the latest, and has a very good chance to get drafted in the 1st round because teams over draft QB's makes you sound very silly, and I will definitely take your opinions on other players much less seriously then I used to.

Oh and FYI he played this past season with a sprain in his throwing shoulder, a bad leg, and a wrist injury that required surgery yet he played the whole season putting up those numbers.

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3 minutes ago, Paradis said:

You're starting to get hostile, so I'll leave my tip with the bartender. 

I'm not getting hostile, I just think it's so way over the top to say you wouldn't take him with a 7th round pick, it is so over the top overreacting to not liking a prospect.

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3 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

They compare Kizer to Aaron Rodgers. So. 

Mahomes is also compared to Rodgers more so then Kizer, also Favre is the other QB that he draws comparisons to.

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4 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Cool. I doubt the Jets are drafting either so this seems frivolous. 

Agreed, the only QB I would think the Jets are gonna draft is Trubisky, doesn't mean I can't disagree personally, and discuss on a message board.

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14 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

It Cook or it's Trubisky . Anything else makes absolutely no sense .  And Hackenberg should not be a consideration in the decision making process . A team needs 2 QBs it can depend on, and both men would have 2 more years to force the Jets to choose and by then, we should have a clear choice and another prospect in the pipeline .

I wasn't saying I want it to be Trubisky, I'm just saying I think the only QB the Jets would consider taking is Trubisky.  I personally think it's Sanchez 2.0.  If you been reading the boards the only QB I endorse for the Jets to draft this year is Mahomes.

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2 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

I know what you meant . I also know who you want, but he's not good enough regardless of what you think . Mark Sanchez had /has neither the arm strength. the accuracy or the skill that Trubisky possess . The only thing both have in common is that both have 1 yr as a starter . Even that's not really true, because the kid played in games in 2014 and 2015 and didn't embarrassed himself . 

Funny Trubisky doesn't possess the accuracy, arm strength, or skill of Mahomes.  Not saying he doesn't have those skills, but there not equal to Mahomes.  Mahomes is the best pure talent at QB in this draft.

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9 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

You keep saying that, but the film shows different .  I do like the fact that you will stick to what you believe no matter what thou .

What film are you watching?  Mahomes can throw the ball 65 yards on a fly from his knees, will run about a 4.5 40, throws no look dimes.  Yes his footwork is sh*t, but it doesn't mess up his accuaracy.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, we all have our own opinions.

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Nice little piece on Mahomes II, not just a fluff piece, breaks down both positives, and negatives of his play (though coming to the same conclusion as me 😀).

There is always that one guy that can do what others can do equally, or better, but do it so unconventional while still being successful because of stupid physical talent, that's what I see with Mahomes personally, guy steps his front foot behind his back foot while throwing a dime 40 yards on the run which just doesn't seem conceivable, yet his tape shows he can.  I can't recall a QB with the arm talent, and ability to use that arm talent to make throws only a handful of QB's can make with proper mechanics since Favre, but has much more athletic ability then Favre, now the question is can he have the head to make the transition to the NFL game.

I've said he would be the Prescott/Wilson of this draft, but I don't think that is accurate anymore, he won't protect the ball the way those 2 did coming into the league, he is a gunslinger, and he will turn it over a hell of a lot more then those 2 ever did, but I also think he will make a hell of a lot more game changing throws off broken plays then those 2 did in there rookie years.  

Make no mistake thou he will be the most exciting QB to come out, and watch play since Luck if he is allowed to play from day 1 (in no way am I predicting he will have the same success year 1 as Luck unless he lands with the Steelers, and Ben retires).

Man I can't wait for the Combine, this is when all the talk will swith to Mahomes, and the hype train will begin, because of his injury, and the fact he didn't/couldn't play in any showcase bowl games things have been very quiet on the Mahomes front, that will all change in about 1 month.

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1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

 

 

This has to be the dumbest comparison of all time.

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5 hours ago, Paradis said:

athletic QBs with an arm are a dime a dozen in college. What makes you think Mahomes is any different? That he doesn't in fact, belong on that list? For all this fawning over his big play ability, none of you have addressed his inability to operate in a pocket, to read defenses, to "feel" pressure. He's made his living in college on throwing to busted coverages and slow dbs. 

He's a project at best. No better than Petty. 

 

If you actually watch his tape he makes reads, and adjustments at the LOS, he moves Safties with his eyes, he keeps his eyes downfield while moving in the pocket, and scrambling outside of it, and if your watching his tape your just not watching the same tape I am.

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2 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

I always find these "manipulates with his eyes" things bullsh*t.  For one thing, how many DBs do you think can actually see his eyes?  At best they can see what direction his facemask is pointing.  Second, in the video shown, the safety he is allegedly manipulating obviously is assigned to cover the defensive left.  Otherwise he wouldn't be lined up outside the hash.  Is it a surprise that he might be a bit late driving on the WR that came from his far right?  BTW, the D looked like they dropped an LB to cover underneath with the DB dropping to cover exactly the part of the field that play highlights.  The guy made a sh*t play and got turned around, but I'm betting in the film room he is the guy getting blasted, not the guy who was "manipulated." 

manipulate defenders with his eyes.

Seems like a nice project.  We already have a couple.  He seems to sling it Cutler style, with his feet all over the map.  I was not as impressed with his arm as these guys.  On a ton of these balls he just seems to throw it up for grabs. 

Fair enough point.  Also agree we have one to many projects, I've personally seen enough from Petty to know he won't be the goods in the NFL, and would cut bait with him if we draft another QB.

Also there is no denying Mahomes foot work is probably some of the worst you have ever seen at times.

Those throws your not impressed with his arm I would argue are purposely thrown with less zip on the ball, again I'd argue not saying your wrong just from my point of view watching this kid he IMO throws the ball a certain way either touch, zip, high, on a line, ect. for a reason, sometimes that reason was a poor decision.

All in all this is my guy this year, as you all know so I'm gonna continue to post about him, and anything I feel that is relevant news, or info on him mostly in this thread, and discuss with anyone who posts comments in this thread regardless of their opinion on him as a player, and future as a NFL player.

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52 minutes ago, legler82 said:

I find the term "project" as bullsh*t.  It's so loosely used nowadays, that it seems every QB prospect short of being Andrew Luck is labelled as such.  I don't see how anyone can look at Mahomes and label him a "project".  Gunslinger, gambler at times, not fundamentally sound yes, but a "project", really?  To me that's lazy evaluating.  Like I argued ad nauseam about Mariota prior to his draft, footwork, is a vastly overrated.  It's a taught skill not a talent.  What one should be evaluating are a QB's feet; are they quick, nimble, agile, coordinated...etc.  I equate it to forming a dance group and deciding between a guy with no rhythm but knows the choreography vs. the guy with great rhythm who hasn't been taught the steps yet.  Hmm, give me that latter all day everyday, you keep the stiff.

Intangibles like, character, intelligence and leadership aside, on football talent alone lumping Mahomes with the likes of Petty and Hackenberg is an insult to him and anyone with eyes.  The kid is a natural, our beloved projects are not.

Preach

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