UnitedWhofans Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 1 minute ago, bostonmajet said: Redskins picked 5th, but I said the same thing in another thread. No point sticking up for Mac; it is like Fitz vs. Geno; This board is filled with side-takers; pro Mac can see no wrong, anti Mac can't see anything good. For those of us in the middle it can be very frustrating, but it is what it is. It was a no-brainer, but the Jags and Raiders pass on him as well. Either it is a no brainer and 3 teams f-d up, or it is a balanced decision and Mac did well. Either way, it is like the election; those in their own camps cannot see right in the other candidate and wrong in their own... My only concern is that if Macc bottoms out that Woody is going back to a bean counter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 1 minute ago, Mike135 said: Doesn't mean we can't fix the mistake. When teams call for Sheldon, sell them on Wilk and his deal. Letting Sheldon go would be a huge mistake. There is no way to replace a guy with his level of talent and hustle. We already have. His name is Leonard Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 First or no trade. I would swap him for Glennon Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Guys enjoy the game today I cant get myself this aggravated on football Sunday before the Jets game even starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000729657/article/browns-cornerback-joe-haden-on-the-trade-block a trade for Joe Thomas would be awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Guys enjoy the game today I cant get myself this aggravated on football Sunday before the Jets game even starts. I'm throwing the challenge flag on that one.. See you in a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 This is a really interesting offseason that will be coming up. We have a lot of "fat" on the roster...the FO needs to consider the following players cap casualties depending on how the rest of the season goes: 1. Darrelle Revis...save about 9m on cap. 2. Ryan Clady...save about 10m on cap 3. Nick Mangold...save about 9m on cap 4. Marcus Gilchrist...save about 5m on cap 5. David Harris...save 6.5m on cap 6. Breno Giacomini...save 5m on cap. How many of these players will realistically be good players over the next few years? Cut them. That's why I'm obsessed with playing the youth this year. A lot of guys are already getting/may soon be getting reps in positions that need the experience because we may be cutting the starters at their positions. See: 1. Burris, 3. Wesley Johnson, 4. Butler, 5. Lee/Carter/Henderson/Jones 6. Ijalana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 12 minutes ago, bostonmajet said: Redskins picked 5th, but I said the same thing in another thread. No point sticking up for Mac; it is like Fitz vs. Geno; This board is filled with side-takers; pro Mac can see no wrong, anti Mac can't see anything good. For those of us in the middle it can be very frustrating, but it is what it is. It was a no-brainer, but the Jags and Raiders pass on him as well. Either it is a no brainer and 3 teams f-d up, or it is a balanced decision and Mac did well. Either way, it is like the election; those in their own camps cannot see right in the other candidate and wrong in their own... Thanks for the correction!My mistake, my memory told me 4th, I was 1 off. But yeah Mac deserves praise for that pick, and deserves some heat for some others. But shouldn't bash the guy for making a sound pick because it was "obvious" which to some teams it clearly wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 27 minutes ago, RoadFan said: Another voice of reason and not delusion. Thanks. I think we are in decent shape to get a good return, though. After we potentially cut high wasteful contracts on the roster, we should have alot of cap space (40-50M) next year and moving forward. Additionally, Sheldon is under contract for 2017 and we have the option of franchising him for 2018. So it's not like we are going to lose him immediately. That being said, I don't want to pay him. Not after the Wilkerson deal (which sucks right now but may end up being a decent investment IF he gets his sh*t together.) Since Sheldon is not about to leave, AND we are not in cap hell, AND we already have a replacement on the roster in Leonard, AND we are looking at a nice comp pick if we let him walk...we are in a position of power when it comes to dealing Sheldon. In other words, we don't NEED to trade him. With that in mind, I think we can get a high 2 or even a 1. A lot depends on the concern around the league regarding his potential for suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 he is going to want the biggest contract ever, and likes the weed I would take a case of beer for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, BrickTamland said: Thanks. I think we are in decent shape to get a good return, though. After we potentially cut high wasteful contracts on the roster, we should have alot of cap space (40-50M) next year and moving forward. Additionally, Sheldon is under contract for 2017 and we have the option of franchising him for 2018. So it's not like we are going to lose him immediately. That being said, I don't want to pay him. Not after the Wilkerson deal (which sucks right now but may end up being a decent investment IF he gets his sh*t together.) Since Sheldon is not about to leave, AND we are not in cap hell, AND we already have a replacement on the roster in Leonard, AND we are looking at a nice comp pick if we let him walk...we are in a position of power when it comes to dealing Sheldon. In other words, we don't NEED to trade him. With that in mind, I think we can get a high 2 or even a 1. A lot depends on the concern around the league regarding his potential for suspension. They're not getting a 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 59 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: No way in hell do you trade Sheldon Richardson for a "what if" draft pick. Not the way this team drafts a proven NFL superstar for a probable bust pick. So we keep him for another year, play him at LB, and let him walk in free agency and get nothing? AWESOME IDEA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 the only thing sheldumb has "proven" is when the going gets tough he buys a rolls and commits crimes, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 it would be great if they can get a first rounder and turn him into a tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 34 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Sapp had baggage. So does Richardson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 1 hour ago, joewilly12 said: So they are trading him to TB for a 1st and Glennon? Where do I sign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 50 minutes ago, Tinstar said: Look, before I dismiss any potential trade, I want to know what I am offered for a player I could lose for nothing . You don't lose him for nothing till 2019 thou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 43 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: We dont draft well if you calculate all the picks and all the players still on the team or in the NFL many 1st rounders are busts. I don't think you're "calculating" anything, unless you're comparing to how often 1st rounders are busts league-wide. Hint - it's a lot more than 0%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 1 minute ago, thshadow said: I don't think you're "calculating" anything, unless you're comparing to how often 1st rounders are busts league-wide. Hint - it's a lot more than 0%. Go calculate the Jets draft picks and so how unsuccessful we have been over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Just now, joewilly12 said: Go calculate the Jets draft picks and so how unsuccessful we have been over the years. My point is that most fans of (any team) grossly overestimate how often 1st round picks work out. IIRC, 50% is the number that gets quoted most often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Just now, thshadow said: My point is that most fans of (any team) grossly overestimate how often 1st round picks work out. IIRC, 50% is the number that gets quoted most often. Im not just talking about 1st round picks overall picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Jets' Richardson: Playing LB will 'give me more money' http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000729460/article/jets-richardson-playing-lb-will-give-me-more-money My guess is his agent starts at 120 million, struggle to see how the Jets can make this happen with so many needs (OL, DB, OLB, +++) and no QB, plus he could hold out creating more drama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 1 hour ago, Lupz27 said: If it's not a 1st don't bother calling. Absolutely and it better be equal value to where we picked him at 9 or 10 in 1st round. So if it's a late first they better throw in something else. And you make this trade in a heartbeat. He's going to hold this team hostage when his next contract is up. No way we can pay him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, Powpow said: Absolutely and it better be equal value to where we picked him at 9 or 10 in 1st round. So if it's a late first they better throw in something else. And you make this trade in a heartbeat. He's going to hold this team hostage when his next contract is up. No way we can pay him. If Macc is the GM there are some bloated contracts on some older players that if they cut them will free up a lot of money there will be some restructuring as well. You find ways to keep your superstars and players that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 8 minutes ago, thshadow said: My point is that most fans of (any team) grossly overestimate how often 1st round picks work out. IIRC, 50% is the number that gets quoted most often. My point is that most fans grossly overestimate a player's worth on their own team, along with overestimating how often teams are willing to part with a 1st or 2nd round pick for said player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Just now, RoadFan said: My point is that most fans grossly overestimate a player's worth on their own team, along with overestimating how often teams are willing to part with a 1st or 2nd round pick for said player. Exactly and teams already know that Sheldon is going to demand mad money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 9 minutes ago, Powpow said: Absolutely and it better be equal value to where we picked him at 9 or 10 in 1st round. So if it's a late first they better throw in something else. And you make this trade in a heartbeat. He's going to hold this team hostage when his next contract is up. No way we can pay him. Agreed. But if I had my druthers I'm keeping Richardson and deal Wilk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 9 minutes ago, Powpow said: Absolutely and it better be equal value to where we picked him at 9 or 10 in 1st round. So if it's a late first they better throw in something else. And you make this trade in a heartbeat. He's going to hold this team hostage when his next contract is up. No way we can pay him. Sheldumn will not fetch a 1st! Same reason you refer to in reverse. Teams are not going to give up a 1 for a high off-the-field risk player that wants huge money or he could leave as a FA. Not gonna happen people! Jets will do well to get a 2nd. A 3rd is more realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: If Macc is the GM there are some bloated contracts on some older players that if they cut them will free up a lot of money there will be some restructuring as well. You find ways to keep your superstars and players that matter. Agreed BUT when you are playing a talent like Richardson out of position and have a surplus on the DL it makes more sense to cut ties with him earlier than later and get what you can for him. They waited too long to move Wilk and same thing will happen with SR. He's going to be too expensive to keep anyways. And he's just an accident waiting to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Just now, Powpow said: Agreed BUT when you are playing a talent like Richardson out of position and have a surplus on the DL it makes more sense to cut ties with him earlier than later and get what you can for him. They waited too long to move Wilk and same thing will happen with SR. He's going to be too expensive to keep anyways. And he's just an accident waiting to happen. Good teams find ways to keep superstar talent like Sheldon Richardson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, LIJetsFan said: Agreed. But if I had my druthers I'm keep Richardson and deal Wilk. Yes me too but Didn't we try and trade Wilk? No one made reasonable offers so we got 'stuck' with him rather than getting a lousy comp pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Just now, Powpow said: Yes me too but Didn't we try and trade Wilk? No one made reasonable offers so we got 'stuck' with him rather than getting a lousy comp pick. That was because his contract was in the wind. Now that it's stable there is a better platform for negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 10 minutes ago, RoadFan said: My point is that most fans grossly overestimate a player's worth on their own team, along with overestimating how often teams are willing to part with a 1st or 2nd round pick for said player. Yes, I think that's true also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Wilkerson is the guy you trade guy is a bum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 4 minutes ago, nico002 said: Wilkerson is the guy you trade guy is a bum LOL at anyone wanting to absorb that contract for a player like Wilkerson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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