drdetroit Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Just saw Jon Gruden ask Tom Coughlin point blank on MNF if he will coach again. Coughlin's response was basically: "I don't know, the right opportunity has to be there." He sounded like he was actually quite interested; ironic considering the Giants had just put him in their ring of honor tonight in hopes of sending him off to the sunset forever. A 70 year old guy just inaugurated into the Giants' ring of honor would typically say "No, I like fishing!" Tom Coughlin still wants to coach. I say make him our next Head Coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 1 minute ago, drdetroit said: Just saw Jon Gruden ask Tom Coughlin point blank on MNF if he will coach again. Coughlin's response was basically: "I don't know, the right opportunity has to be there." He sounded like he was actually quite interested; ironic considering the Giants had just put him in their ring of honor tonight in hopes of sending him off to the sunset forever. A 70 year old guy just inaugurated into the Giants' ring of honor would typically say "No, I like fishing!" Tom Coughlin still wants to coach. I say make him our next Head Coach. Guys in incredible shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 15, 2016 Author Share Posted November 15, 2016 Just now, Jetster said: Guys in incredible shape. He's 70 and looks like he's 50. I think having a year off really refreshed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 I began typing a post earlier today about hiring Coughlin, but like most things Jets this season, I found something else more interesting to do... and never finished. I will say, I agree. Tired of the 1st-time HC model that Woody employs. He's a typical 1%-er, knowing full well that a business model selling this year's version of hope is going to be a cash cow, without ever having to have to move the needle competitively. If we win, that's great, but the real money is in the come-back for desperate fans of a franchise that packages a sh*t product as "a new hope" every couple of years. Smart model for a business owner. Horrible model for a fan to experience, or better yet be stuck with. Get me an experienced coach, that runs the whole team, and most importantly knows how to work WITH the GM on building the roster. FML that we're on like out 4th or 5th coach in a row that can't manage the clock in-game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 15, 2016 Author Share Posted November 15, 2016 1 minute ago, Integrity28 said: I began typing a post earlier today about hiring Coughlin, but like most things Jets this season, I found something else more interesting to do... and never finished. I will say, I agree. Tired of the 1st-time HC model that Woody employs. He's a typical 1%-er, knowing full well that a business model selling this year's version of hope is going to be a cash cow, without ever having to have to move the needle competitively. If we win, that's great, but the real money is in the come-back for desperate fans of a franchise that packages a sh*t product as "a new hope" every couple of years. Smart model for a business owner. Horrible model for a fan to experience, or better yet be stuck with. Get me an experienced coach, that runs the whole team, and most importantly knows how to work WITH the GM on building the roster. FML that we're on like out 4th or 5th coach in a row that can't manage the clock in-game. Replacing Bowles with Coughlin is a no-brainer. The guy clearly wants to coach again and stick it to the Giants and anyone who says he's too old. The Giants just gave him a a huge "Go F off forever here's a parade and shiny medal for you" ceremony and he immediately says on national TV he wants to coach again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 I think there is absolutely no chance Woody would ever hire a Giants icon, but that one is a slam dunk. This franchise is so desperately in need of a culture change from the top-down. That said, I really don't think Woody would ever do this. Look at the track record. Belichick ran away fast as hell. He passed on Cowher to keep Tannenbaum because he knew he'd have a say in things. He hasn't let his last two GMs choose their own coaches. This is not a guy that's about to hire someone with Coughlin's type of stature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 15, 2016 Author Share Posted November 15, 2016 1 minute ago, RutgersJetFan said: I think there is absolutely no chance Woody would ever hire a Giants icon, but that one is a slam dunk. This franchise is so desperately in need of a culture change from the top-down. That said, I really don't think Woody would ever do this. Look at the track record. Belichick ran away fast as hell. He passed on Cowher to keep Tannenbaum because he knew he'd have a say in things. He hasn't let his last two GMs choose their own coaches. This is not a guy that's about to hire someone with Coughlin's type of stature. Hiring Parcells worked out. Belichick was before Woody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljr Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 1 minute ago, drdetroit said: Hiring Parcells worked out. Belichick was before Woody. You do know Parcells was before BB with the NYJ right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 1 minute ago, drdetroit said: Hiring Parcells worked out. Belichick was before Woody. Parcells was under Hess and Belichick left when he knew his prospects were Woody or Dolan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 As a a stopgap or a GM, may be. But hiring a 70 year old man who was not in the playoffs often the last few years doesn't strike me as a good idea. This is basically a typical Woody Johnson making a media splash move rather than one of substance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 3 minutes ago, Bugg said: As a a stopgap or a GM, may be. But hiring a 70 year old man who was not in the playoffs often the last few years doesn't strike me as a good idea. This is basically a typical Woody Johnson making a media splash move rather than one of substance. I agree. I am not a fan of hiring him. Give me a young OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 If we're gonna change HCs every couple years who cares how old he is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 6 minutes ago, Bugg said: As a a stopgap or a GM, may be. But hiring a 70 year old man who was not in the playoffs often the last few years doesn't strike me as a good idea. This is basically a typical Woody Johnson making a media splash move rather than one of substance. They would need to basically give him the same setup Hess gave Parcells, except in this instance his successor can't be a muted rat molester that dresses like a hobo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 This is code for, I am waiting for someone other than the Jets to offer me a job. Then I will decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 21 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: I think there is absolutely no chance Woody would ever hire a Giants icon, but that one is a slam dunk. This franchise is so desperately in need of a culture change from the top-down. That said, I really don't think Woody would ever do this. Look at the track record. Belichick ran away fast as hell. He passed on Cowher to keep Tannenbaum because he knew he'd have a say in things. He hasn't let his last two GMs choose their own coaches. This is not a guy that's about to hire someone with Coughlin's type of stature. Coughlin actuallyhas Beli's number. So, you're right. Woody is more about guys like Rex who lose their ass off to Beli, but build a strong personal brand around 'giving Beli all he can handle'. Redults don't matter, only narratives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Just now, Maxman said: This is code for, I am waiting for someone other than the Jets to offer me a job. Then I will decide. He talked to Bills earlier this season, when Rex was in deep.., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 14 minutes ago, Bugg said: As a a stopgap or a GM, may be. But hiring a 70 year old man who was not in the playoffs often the last few years doesn't strike me as a good idea. This is basically a typical Woody Johnson making a media splash move rather than one of substance. Hiring his first established head coach is not a splash move. It would actually be the first good football decision Woody has made in forever. Coughlin has forgotten more football than most hot coordinators would bring here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 6 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Coughlin actuallyhas Beli's number. So, you're right. Woody is more about guys like Rex who lose their ass off to Beli, but build a strong personal brand around 'giving Beli all he can handle'. Redults don't matter, only narratives. Yeah, if you look at the track record it's not the type of guy he wants. With Woody, I honestly just think he's the Shermanator and wishes he was Jerry Jones. And Rex was basically the chick that talked to him in the bathroom for the entire night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: Yeah, if you look at the track record it's not the type of guy he wants. With Woody, I honestly just think he's the Shermanator and wishes he was Jerry Jones. And Rex was basically the chick that talked to him in the bathroom for the entire night. Without a doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Hell yeah! If we're stuck with Wilk now, at least Coughlin could make his life a living hell for being a lazy $hit. Definitely wouldn't mind a short term coach with the plan going in that he's grooming his replacement at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be_a_Jet Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Would love a Coughlin hire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 15, 2016 Author Share Posted November 15, 2016 11 hours ago, Integrity28 said: He talked to Bills earlier this season, when Rex was in deep.., He also talked to the Eagles too before they hired Pederson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 15, 2016 Author Share Posted November 15, 2016 11 hours ago, Mike135 said: Hell yeah! If we're stuck with Wilk now, at least Coughlin could make his life a living hell for being a lazy $hit. Definitely wouldn't mind a short term coach with the plan going in that he's grooming his replacement at the same time. It would be worth it just to see Mo miserable. Btw, what's Coughlin's record against Belichick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 12 hours ago, ljr said: You do know Parcells was before BB with the NYJ right? ??? BB was hired as the HC in 1997 then when a deal was worked out BP became the GM/HC and BB became DC.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Coughlin never wanted to leave, he was fired. the media portrays the "class" Giants as if he actually stepped down. he wants to coach again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 12 hours ago, Maxman said: This is code for, I am waiting for someone other than the GOD DAMN Jets to offer me a job. Then I will decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 15, 2016 Author Share Posted November 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, Savage69 said: ??? BB was hired as the HC in 1997 then when a deal was worked out BP became the GM/HC and BB became DC.. Belichick quit because he didn't know who the owner would be. Woody had not bought the team yet. He already worked for Kraft and Kraft wanted him It had nothing to do with Woody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 12 hours ago, jetrider said: If we're gonna change HCs every couple years who cares how old he is? lol. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsamuel84 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 I'm not advocating firing Bowles but the argument that he's 70 years old and won't be here long is weak in my opinion. If you were to make a move like this you set it up where Tom would be able to pick an Asst. Head Coach with the understand that he's being groomed to take over the job in 3-5 years, it's not ideal but it could work and helps keep that continuity. Again, not advocating moving on from Bowles but unfortunately he's the type of personality this team needs; an experienced disciplinarian who has a track record to make the non popular moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 "Right situation" = my wife and I don't want to leave the NJ area... hint, hint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 24 minutes ago, JetPotato said: "Right situation" = my wife and I don't want to leave the NJ area... hint, hint. What about a scenario where we hire Tom Coughlin the GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 1 hour ago, drdetroit said: Belichick quit because he didn't know who the owner would be. Woody had not bought the team yet. He already worked for Kraft and Kraft wanted him It had nothing to do with Woody. That was 2000 BB was hired as the Jet HC first in 1997 before BP came and he was demoted to DC.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjbuddy Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Would be interesting to see who Coughlin would have on his coaching staff. Kevin Gilbride as OC? How about Lane Kiffin? Tony Sprano would definitely not be welcomed back as an OC, maybe just a line coach. Dick Jauron or Perry Fewell as the DC? Or would he bring in a staff that he has not worked with before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjbuddy Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 2 hours ago, drdetroit said: It would be worth it just to see Mo miserable. Btw, what's Coughlin's record against Belichick? Coughlin is 5 - 1 vs Belichick as head coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 45 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: What about a scenario where we hire Tom Coughlin the GM Then he hires his own HC? Solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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