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As Of FO's Most Recent Stats, The Jets Passed On 5 Of The Top 7 2016 QBs

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RutgersJetFan

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Updated yesterday, and 4 are within the past 5 years:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

Dak, Cousins, Carr and Wilson. Brady's pushing it but it counts.

And fun addendum, they also blew their shots to draft Ryan and Mariota because hooray for meaningless December wins during lost seasons. So at some point the Jets missed or blew their chance on 7 of the top 9.

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Integrity28

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Any QB not taken in the first round, counts as having been passed on by every team. So, this is mostly irrelevant in the context of singling out the Jets.

No reason to try to reframe our incompetency as anything worse than what it is.

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1 minute ago, Integrity28 said:

Any QB not taken in the first round, counts as having been passed on by every team. So, this is mostly irrelevant in the context of singling out the Jets.

No reason to try to reframe our incompetency as anything worse than what it is.

True, but in any given year only a minority of teams are shopping for a QB in round 1 in the first place.

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5 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

Any QB not taken in the first round, counts as having been passed on by every team. So, this is mostly irrelevant in the context of singling out the Jets.

No reason to try to reframe our incompetency as anything worse than what it is.

Agree but why let truth stand in the way of a good story? ☺

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6 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

Any QB not taken in the first round, counts as having been passed on by every team. So, this is mostly irrelevant in the context of singling out the Jets.

No reason to try to reframe our incompetency as anything worse than what it is.

We have also failed to find other hidden gems like the warners, garcias, romos, etc etc.

Part of this is just plain bad luck but some of it can be attributed to team strategy.  Some players were never given a chance.

 

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8 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

True, but in any given year only a minority of teams are shopping for a QB in round 1 in the first place.

Doesn't matter. Factually speaking, unless a team had no 1st round pick, any QB that doesn't get drafted in R1, was passed over by every team in football.

 

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the problem with this logic is it assumes these players would be the same if they were Jets 

 

Tom Brady is a cheating cheater. He's not the same when you take away his cheating apparatus. 

let's be real we'd have run Matt Ryan out of this town years ago.  New Yorkers wouldn't stand for all those playoff losses. 

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Just now, Integrity28 said:

Doesn't matter. Factually speaking, unless a team had no 1st round pick, any QB that doesn't get drafted in R1, was passed over by every team in football.

 

I did start off my reply with "True" but, for context, sure it matters. 32 teams simply aren't considering a QB with their 1st round pick. Depending on the year, there are usually only about a handful or so that are seriously considering it. From that small number you can subtract those that did take QBs in round 1, but merely took them earlier at #1 or #2 overall in that same draft.

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37 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Updated yesterday, and 4 are within the past 5 years:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

Dak, Cousins, Carr and Wilson. Brady's pushing it but it counts.

And fun addendum, they also blew their shots to draft Ryan and Mariota because hooray for meaningless December wins during lost seasons. So at some point the Jets missed or blew their chance on 7 of the top 9.

So whats your point that our organization sucks yet you bash others for feeling the same way. 

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16 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I did start off my reply with "True" but, for context, sure it matters. 32 teams simply aren't considering a QB with their 1st round pick. Depending on the year, there are usually only about a handful or so that are seriously considering it. From that small number you can subtract those that did take QBs in round 1, but merely took them earlier at #1 or #2 overall in that same draft.

But even the teams that *drafted* them passed on them a bunch.  Do you think if there was a redraft, the cowboys would have passed on Dak 4 times (he was their 2nd 4th round pick)?  Man, what an incompetent FO the Cowboys have!

I'm pretty sure you can look at *any* team and argue that their drafts have been terrible, by one measure or another.

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23 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I did start off my reply with "True" but, for context, sure it matters. 32 teams simply aren't considering a QB with their 1st round pick. Depending on the year, there are usually only about a handful or so that are seriously considering it. From that small number you can subtract those that did take QBs in round 1, but merely took them earlier at #1 or #2 overall in that same draft.

No it doesn't matter, for the same reason as you say it does in bold. The Jets shouldn't be expected to be considering a QB with every pick, in the same way every other team isn't considering a QB with every pick.

All of this is relatively "meh" though, to be honest. We don't have a QB, we don't need to be flogged with revisionist history for every QB we didn't select.

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Just now, Integrity28 said:

No it doesn't matter, for the same reason as you say it does in bold. The Jets shouldn't be expected to be considering a QB with every pick, in the same way every other team isn't considering a QB with every pick.

All of this is relatively "meh" though, to be honest. We don't have a QB, we don't need to be flogged with revisionist history for every QB we didn't select.

The Jets either find a decent QB or remain a bottom feeder team its that simple. 

 

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Just now, thshadow said:

But even the teams that *drafted* them passed on them a bunch.  Do you think if there was a redraft, the cowboys would have passed on Dak 4 times (he was their 2nd 4th round pick)?  Man, what an incompetent FO the Cowboys have!

I'm pretty sure you can look at *any* team and argue that their drafts have been terrible, by one measure or another.

Of course they wouldn't have, but this isn't a point made about redrafting. I was only commenting on the point that "everybody" passed on someone in round 1. Well, every team isn't even considering a QB in round 1 no matter how good the prospect looks.

The draft is inexact, and every team makes bad picks and lots of them at that. The reason this is so bad is we haven't had extended good play, from a QB we value for more than a year or two, since probably Pennington in 2002. A team like that is more culpable when they keep missing out on QBs they had every opportunity to draft. And instead we draft a safety, a LB for pass coverage, more DE/DTs, etc. 

In other words, it's a bigger deal for us to miss out on these QBs than, say, the Packers.

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43 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

Any QB not taken in the first round, counts as having been passed on by every team. So, this is mostly irrelevant in the context of singling out the Jets.

No reason to try to reframe our incompetency as anything worse than what it is.

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2 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

All of this is relatively "meh" though, to be honest. We don't have a QB, we don't need to be flogged with revisionist history for every QB we didn't select.

It's not the fans that deserve to get "flogged" with this.  It's Woody Johnson.  He's the common denominator to nearly 2 decades of QB ineptitude. 

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44 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

No it doesn't matter, for the same reason as you say it does in bold. The Jets shouldn't be expected to be considering a QB with every pick, in the same way every other team isn't considering a QB with every pick.

All of this is relatively "meh" though, to be honest. We don't have a QB, we don't need to be flogged with revisionist history for every QB we didn't select.

even so, anyone would have to admit that the jets have been pretty snakebit when it comes to qb's.  just look at the long line of qb's drafted.  there have been some really good ones like obrien, chaddy and even todd and then some real stinkers like bollinger, clemens, geno, boyd and even sanchez.  no telling on petty or hack just yet.  they really need to keep drafting one until they get it right.  i guess there's always a chance a full boogie game changer like a young favre may fall into their lap but it's doubtful.

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49 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Of course they wouldn't have, but this isn't a point made about redrafting. I was only commenting on the point that "everybody" passed on someone in round 1. Well, every team isn't even considering a QB in round 1 no matter how good the prospect looks.

The draft is inexact, and every team makes bad picks and lots of them at that. The reason this is so bad is we haven't had extended good play, from a QB we value for more than a year or two, since probably Pennington in 2002. A team like that is more culpable when they keep missing out on QBs they had every opportunity to draft. And instead we draft a safety, a LB for pass coverage, more DE/DTs, etc. 

In other words, it's a bigger deal for us to miss out on these QBs than, say, the Packers.

it's so true about missing on the draft.  just look at all of the second round picks that have been squandered on the likes of clemens, or hill, or ducasse, or justin miller, or maybe geno, maybe hack, not to mention the first round busts like gholston, or milliner, or wilson.  and let's not forget trading high round picks for guys like doug jolley or santonio holmes.  heck that's 11 draft busts that could actually have a chance of still playing had they panned out.  as for qb's it's almost like the big time progrms are showcasing their guys to get them drafted.  maybe that's a good gage of how good a qb can be but maybe it also means they need to look at less prominent programs,

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2 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Updated yesterday, and 4 are within the past 5 years:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

Dak, Cousins, Carr and Wilson. Brady's pushing it but it counts.

And fun addendum, they also blew their shots to draft Ryan and Mariota because hooray for meaningless December wins during lost seasons. So at some point the Jets missed or blew their chance on 7 of the top 9.

30 other teams also passed on all those QBs. 

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Let's be more specific......

 

Not drafting Derek Carr because we were "set at QB with Genough Smith" is epic fail.

 

Not trying to grab Aaron Rodgers because we were "set at QB with Chad Glassington" is a pretty good sized fail.

 

Not drafting Russell Wilson (even with your chief of Scouting jumping up and down on the table) because we were "set at QB with Mark Sanchez" is just funny.

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