Maccagnan once again sneaks in Wilkerson contract

[UnitedWhofans]

Apparently the Jets can get out of Wilkerson's contract after next year.

His 2018 base salary is not fully guaranteed. They would have to eat 9m but they would create 11m in cap space.

Once again, this man has shown to be a genius at the way he structures contracts. 

Most of his contracts seem to have some sort of out clause so that they are not long term mistakes.

Just brilliant.

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/11/grading_mike_maccagnans_2016_jets_signings_trades.html#7

Edited November 25, 2016 by UnitedWhofans

[Beerfish]

It's  a far better skill to never have to resort to these things. 

[Larz]

clearing 2 million bucks is genius ?

lol

[joewilly12]

Mike Maccagnan is not the answer at GM 

[jamesr]

1 minute ago, Larz said:

clearing 2 million bucks is genius ?

lol

It would free up 11m. So the hit is 20m, with 9m dead money if we dump him.

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, Larz said:

clearing 2 million bucks is genius ?

lol

It's more of the principle than the actual result. I love the fact that Maccagnan leaves himself a solid exit strategy in most of his contracts.

Even the Jarvis Jenkins deal, which was probably his worst FA signing given the circumstances, had a way out with not much damage.

I love it.

[UnitedWhofans]

4 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

It's  a far better skill to never have to resort to these things. 

Very so, although for some part, skill doesn't dictate it. Luck is a key factor too

[Larz]

1 minute ago, jamesr said:

It would free up 11m. So the hit is 20m, with 9m dead money if we dump him.

dead money is toxic for any team, you can't just scoff at it

look at the saints, they have a HOF QB but can't compete because of dead money

[UnitedWhofans]

2 minutes ago, Larz said:

dead money is toxic for any team, you can't just scoff at it

look at the saints, they have a HOF QB but can't compete because of dead money

That's a bit of a fallacy. I would attribute it to bad defensive coaching as well. 

Edited November 25, 2016 by UnitedWhofans

[rex-n-effect]

3 minutes ago, Larz said:

clearing 2 million bucks is genius ?

lol

His cap hit for 2018 is $20MM. He would still be owed $9MM which is $3MM of signing bonus for 2018, 2019 and 2020. We would also save $30MM in his 2019 and 2020 salaries. So we would eat $9MM in 2018 but free over $40MM in cap space over three years. 

Cutting him in 2018 saves a little less than half the value of the contract. Good if he doesn't show improvement but still sucks if we pay over half of a $86MM contract for two sh*tty years. 

[Jetster]

Sign 2 free agents early

1-  Mike Gennon- Glennon/Petty/Hack fight it out.

2- Jamie Collins- completely revamps the LB core, Jenkins-Collins-Lee

Cut Revis-Harris-Mangold-Clady-Breno-Fitz-Breno-Gilchrist- saves 67.5 million dollars on the cap which will rise).

Trade Sheldon Richardson (hopefully a 2, but maybe a high 3 depending on suitors)

Draft Jabril Peppers & imagine the speed at the second level for the Jets defense! Lee--Collins-Peppers. 

Draft BPA at CB/Oline the rest of the way. Maybe Khiry Robinson actually gets healthy this offseason?

With only big free agent signing being  Glennon & Collins Jets would probably be patient & let free agency settle down & still have a ton of money available to go discount shopping for fill in. 

I don't think we can fill all holes in 2017 but we'd be assembling a damn good young defense & bringing along a young Quarterback throwing to a talented group of receivers. Jets are not as far off of playoffs if just 1 young QB emerges.

[HessStation]

Every ******* GM in the NFL does this. It doesn't make him "a genius" for **** sake.

[UnitedWhofans]

1 minute ago, HessStation said:

Every ******* GM in the NFL does this. It doesn't make him "a genius" for **** sake.

Our previous GMs didnt do it, to my knowledge

Edited November 25, 2016 by UnitedWhofans

[Larz]

5 minutes ago, rex-n-effect said:

His cap hit for 2018 is $20MM. He would still be owed $9MM which is $3MM of signing bonus for 2018, 2019 and 2020. We would also save $30MM in his 2019 and 2020 salaries. So we would eat $9MM in 2018 but free over $40MM in cap space over three years. 

Cutting him in 2018 saves a little less than half the value of the contract. Good if he doesn't show improvement but still sucks if we pay over half of a $86MM contract for two sh*tty years. 

yeah, you clear cap space but take dead money hits by cutting anyone with a long term deal

this deal really is no different

if it comes to cutting mo and not trading him or getting productive play out of him, it may be the biggest player gaffe this franchise has seen in 20 years

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, Larz said:

yeah, you clear cap space but take dead money hits by cutting anyone with a long term deal

this deal really is no different

if it comes to cutting mo and not trading him or getting productive play out of him, it may be the biggest player gaffe this franchise has seen in 20 years

 drafting Vernon Gholston

[joebracken33]

5 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Cut Revis-Harris-Mangold-Clady-Breno-Fitz-Breno-Gilchrist- saves 67.5 million dollars on the cap which will rise).

Is it possible to cut Breno twice ??

[ZachEY]

This thread is exactly what happens when you search for evidence after you've already arrived at your conclusion.

[Jetster]

7 minutes ago, joebracken33 said:

Is it possible to cut Breno twice ??

Lol, he should be cut twice! Once because he sucks & again for being a complete twit after the whistle.

[RutgersJetFan]

4 minutes ago, gEYno said:

This thread is exactly what happens when you search for evidence after you've already arrived at your conclusion.

Or just a dick rider, but your explanation is much more eloquent.

[UnitedWhofans]

1 minute ago, gEYno said:

This thread is exactly what happens when you search for evidence after you've already arrived at your conclusion.

Because of other evidence, sure. This just adds more evidence

[Dcat]

31 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

It's  a far better skill to never have to resort to these things. 

Mcagnan is Paradis. Didn't you know?

[Beerfish]

3 minutes ago, Dcat said:

Mcagnan is Paradis. Didn't you know?

If he was he would have drafted Lynch and 12 tight ends.

[joebracken33]

14 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Lol, he should be cut twice! Once because he sucks & again for being a complete twit after the whistle.

F*ck it. Let's do it 3 times just to be sure the POS is gone 

[Jetdawgg]

1 hour ago, Jetster said:

Sign 2 free agents early

1-  Mike Gennon- Glennon/Petty/Hack fight it out.

2- Jamie Collins- completely revamps the LB core, Jenkins-Collins-Lee

Cut Revis-Harris-Mangold-Clady-Breno-Fitz-Breno-Gilchrist- saves 67.5 million dollars on the cap which will rise).

Trade Sheldon Richardson (hopefully a 2, but maybe a high 3 depending on suitors)

Draft Jabril Peppers & imagine the speed at the second level for the Jets defense! Lee--Collins-Peppers. 

Draft BPA at CB/Oline the rest of the way. Maybe Khiry Robinson actually gets healthy this offseason?

With only big free agent signing being  Glennon & Collins Jets would probably be patient & let free agency settle down & still have a ton of money available to go discount shopping for fill in. 

I don't think we can fill all holes in 2017 but we'd be assembling a damn good young defense & bringing along a young Quarterback throwing to a talented group of receivers. Jets are not as far off of playoffs if just 1 young QB emerges.

Still no NT. Have to go 4/3 on the DL so a speed rusher is needed there. Have to move McL in that case. SR can play the other DE. Trading him for a two is a downgrade. Jets are in no position to continuously down grade the team.

signing Glennon takes reps from the young QB's and Glennon does not know the system. He would also probably look to start somewhere. Geno is a better value  as he knows the current systems. He is also injured and won't take reps from the younger QB's.

Have to draft a RB to help the QB no matter who starts.

LB'ing corps also needs revamp. May have to move Mauldin to stay with 4/3 option. No brainier as far as the cuts you mentioned.

[Hael]

There's nothing brilliant about this.  It's a pretty generic NFL contract.  At the end of the day, there's no getting around the fact that we owe him all of the guaranteed money, which was a lot.  It makes no difference if we had scheduled it in the first year or the last year.

Think of it this way.  Had we not taken the salary it would have been off the books and that money would be passed on to future years.

So the statement that it doesn't hurt our future is false.  It of course does if Mo isn't worth the guaranteed  money and it doesn't if he is worth the money.  The only thing that determines how that works out is Mos play.

[UnitedWhofans]

1 hour ago, Jetdawgg said:

Still no NT. Have to go 4/3 on the DL so a speed rusher is needed there. Have to move McL in that case. SR can play the other DE. Trading him for a two is a downgrade. Jets are in no position to continuously down grade the team.

signing Glennon takes reps from the young QB's and Glennon does not know the system. He would also probably look to start somewhere. Geno is a better value  as he knows the current systems. He is also injured and won't take reps from the younger QB's.

Have to draft a RB to help the QB no matter who starts.

LB'ing corps also needs revamp. May have to move Mauldin to stay with 4/3 option. No brainier as far as the cuts you mentioned.

What is your fascination with the 4/3? 

We just saw the Pats trade Jaime Collins for a 3. And their defense has struggled since.

[UnitedWhofans]

1 hour ago, Hael said:

There's nothing brilliant about this.  It's a pretty generic NFL contract.  At the end of the day, there's no getting around the fact that we owe him all of the guaranteed money, which was a lot.  It makes no difference if we had scheduled it in the first year or the last year.

Think of it this way.  Had we not taken the salary it would have been off the books and that money would be passed on to future years.

So the statement that it doesn't hurt our future is false.  It of course does if Mo isn't worth the guaranteed  money and it doesn't if he is worth the money.  The only thing that determines how that works out is Mos play.

I still think it was the right move at the time, if you couldn't trade him, because the lack of signing Revis made the Jets seem cheap and not signing their young talent. 

[Jetster]

2 hours ago, Jetdawgg said:

Still no NT. Have to go 4/3 on the DL so a speed rusher is needed there. Have to move McL in that case. SR can play the other DE. Trading him for a two is a downgrade. Jets are in no position to continuously down grade the team.

signing Glennon takes reps from the young QB's and Glennon does not know the system. He would also probably look to start somewhere. Geno is a better value  as he knows the current systems. He is also injured and won't take reps from the younger QB's.

Have to draft a RB to help the QB no matter who starts.

LB'ing corps also needs revamp. May have to move Mauldin to stay with 4/3 option. No brainier as far as the cuts you mentioned.

What's the matter with Simon? You can't have all pros at every position. Just need a big man to keep lineman off of our fast LBs. 

If you add Collins to Lee & Jenkins you've revamped your LB core with youth & speed all across the board. Add Jabril Peppers to Lee & Collins and you've got Seattle Seahawks type speed at the 2nd level.

There are always free agent steals after the 1st wave gets signed. Even if the Jets went with Glennon & Collins, if they traded Sheldon, that's a total of 75 million of new cap money for the 2 fee agents & some after market bargain shopping for late salary cap cuts. 

Competition breeds a better all around team. If the Jets aren't going Veteran (Romo, Cutler, Bradford?, Brees?) it makes sense to bring in a younger guy like Glennon.

As far as a RB, Khiry Robinson I believe is still signed in 2017? and depending what we can get for Sheldon opens the opportunity to draft a RB, or an Olineman with that extra pick. Usually the best Centers get picked in that 30-40 pick range right where our 2nd rounder will probably fall.

[Jetster]

2 hours ago, Jetdawgg said:

Still no NT. Have to go 4/3 on the DL so a speed rusher is needed there. Have to move McL in that case. SR can play the other DE. Trading him for a two is a downgrade. Jets are in no position to continuously down grade the team.

signing Glennon takes reps from the young QB's and Glennon does not know the system. He would also probably look to start somewhere. Geno is a better value  as he knows the current systems. He is also injured and won't take reps from the younger QB's.

Have to draft a RB to help the QB no matter who starts.

LB'ing corps also needs revamp. May have to move Mauldin to stay with 4/3 option. No brainier as far as the cuts you mentioned.

What's the matter with Simon? You can't have all pros at every position. Just need a big man to keep lineman off of our fast LBs. 

If you add Collins to Lee & Jenkins you've revamped your LB core with youth & speed all across the board. Add Jabril Peppers to Lee & Collins and you've got Seattle Seahawks type speed at the 2nd level.

There are always free agent steals after the 1st wave gets signed. Even if the Jets went with Glennon & Collins, if they traded Sheldon, that's a total of 75 million of new cap money for the 2 fee agents & some after market bargain shopping for late salary cap cuts. 

Competition breeds a better all around team. If the Jets aren't going Veteran (Romo, Cutler, Bradford?, Brees?) it makes sense to bring in a younger guy like Glennon.

As far as a RB, Khiry Robinson I believe is still signed in 2017? and depending what we can get for Sheldon opens the opportunity to draft a RB, or an Olineman with that extra pick. Usually the best Centers get picked in that 30-40 pick range right where our 2nd rounder will probably fall.

[j4jets]

3 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Apparently the Jets can get out of Wilkerson's contract after next year.

His 2018 base salary is not fully guaranteed. They would have to eat 9m but they would create 11m in cap space.

Once again, this man has shown to be a genius at the way he structures contracts. 

Most of his contracts seem to have some sort of out clause so that they are not long term mistakes.

Just brilliant.

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/11/grading_mike_maccagnans_2016_jets_signings_trades.html#7

Genius? You mean the genius that kept Giac on pup instead of releasing him? Or the genius that bid against himself and paid 12 mil to the leagues wirst QB? Or the "genius" that had us in cap hell a year removed from inheriting a 50 mil cap space? Can he get out after this year? Cuz I wouldn't wanna pay Mo $37 mil for two years and less than 5 sacks a year. 

[ljr]

2 hours ago, Jetdawgg said:

Still no NT. Have to go 4/3 on the DL so a speed rusher is needed there. Have to move McL in that case. SR can play the other DE. Trading him for a two is a downgrade. Jets are in no position to continuously down grade the team.

signing Glennon takes reps from the young QB's and Glennon does not know the system. He would also probably look to start somewhere. Geno is a better value  as he knows the current systems. He is also injured and won't take reps from the younger QB's.

Have to draft a RB to help the QB no matter who starts.

LB'ing corps also needs revamp. May have to move Mauldin to stay with 4/3 option. No brainier as far as the cuts you mentioned.

There is less than 0% chance Geno is back next year

 

 

Thank God

[flgreen]

4 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said:

It's more of the principle than the actual result. I love the fact that Maccagnan leaves himself a solid exit strategy in most of his contracts.

Even the Jarvis Jenkins deal, which was probably his worst FA signing given the circumstances, had a way out with not much damage.

I love it.

Macc certainly signs the contracts, and gives a direction where he wants to go, but Jackie Davidson  is the gal that comes up with these clever contracts.  She was asleep att he switch with Revis.

Macc is a talent guy, and will be judged on the talent he brings to the team.  Something better happen next year.  The natives are getting restless.  Macc has to come up with a QB next season

[Shadetree]

Jesus Christ are we talking about cutting Mo now?

just get a goddamn LB corp to help the goddamn defensive line. Giddammmut!!!! I can't even text my fingers ate so angry!!!

goddamn..this is the worst year I can remember in ages. 

[LIJetsFan]

4 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said:

It's more of the principle than the actual result. I love the fact that Maccagnan leaves himself a solid exit strategy in most of his contracts.

Even the Jarvis Jenkins deal, which was probably his worst FA signing given the circumstances, had a way out with not much damage.

I love it.

If you think that this is a solid exit strategy....well....think again.  9m dead money is piss poor 

[flgreen]

For now I'm going to be naive and hope Wilkerson's poor performance this year is a combination of broken leg recovery, no working with the team , and bad company.  Hoping for a big bounce back year coming up.

Until this year I liked Mo