nico002 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 He doesn't know how to build a hungry team. look at Seattle, young hungry guys that play with fire- they are competitors. not a collection of complacent veterans lookings for a pay check bellichick will literally cut his best players if they don't give effort he can't draft guy MUST go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 No Bowles need to go, no problem with Macc, Bowles could not coach high school let alone the NFL. Any coach that loses his team this much has to go 3rd year my A$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 They will both get a 3rd year but much like the Rex situation in Buffalo I expect Woody to put out some kinda playoffs or bust statement for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Can't say its on Mac yet.... but you can say Bowles doesn't get players to play at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 The problem with getting rid of Mac now is they just fired a guy who was only given two years to execute his plan as GM. Doing so again may keep anyone worth a damn from wanting the job. I think the only way they can get away with it is if they brought in a big name coach, and gave him full control. Someone like Jim Harbaugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 8 minutes ago, nico002 said: He doesn't know how to build a hungry team. look at Seattle, young hungry guys that play with fire- they are competitors. not a collection of complacent veterans lookings for a pay check bellichick will literally cut his best players if they don't give effort he can't draft guy MUST go a lot of the guys mccags has brought in have flashed, something we really haven't seen from jets gms in many years. as far as qb goes, i think they know petty isn't the long-term answer, he's a 4th round run and shoot developmental prospect who is probably destined to be a career backup at best. that's probably his career trajectory. hackenberg, we all know the story on him, but at least he's run a pro offense before. i think mccags' plan was to be able to get away with passable play from fitz until hack was ready. now that this is blown up, the players know they're finally in full rebuild and that's where the mutiny is coming from. that's what bowles was always afraid of, as soon as the vets thought the coach moved onto next season they didn't have to play hard anymore. this finally caved last night. mccags needs to hope that hack pans out or else i think he's gone. bowles will get canned, that's how woody rolls, he hates being embarrassed more than anything else and mccags won gm of the year last year and that will protect him for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Blast Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Mac didn't choose Bowles. Let Mac choose his own coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Mac stays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 1 minute ago, AFJF said: Mac stays not only that, but he won't be the bad guy when bowles gets fired. mccags will have his cake and eat it too. and wait - right after they don't take a qb high in the draft - mccags will leak that hackenberg is way better than last year and is ready to compete for the starting job. IMO this was the plan all along, fitz this year and hack next. petty is a red herring here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I vote for a BIG EXTENSION for BIG MACC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 the problem is the coach not the GM. 20 other HCs could come in here and win w/ this current team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 40 minutes ago, nico002 said: He doesn't know how to build a hungry team. look at Seattle, young hungry guys that play with fire- they are competitors. not a collection of complacent veterans lookings for a pay check bellichick will literally cut his best players if they don't give effort he can't draft guy MUST go Mac has had his hands tied by Woody Johnson who has insisted the team be competitive while rebuilding. So what you have here is a locker room of 30-something FA's and young draftees who clearly don't have chemistry together. Mac needs to clean house of the 30-something veterans and the lazy vets. I would start with Revis and Richardson and can their a$$es, regardless of the cap hit. These guys are sending a clear message that they don't care. It is about time to recognize that this is NOT a contending team, but rather one that needs to identify team leaders and cut a lot of dead weight. That means probably another losing season next year, until the young guys develop, but I can live with that as long as their is progress. Todd Bowles has got to go as well. He can't motivate this team at all with his laid back style, these veterans tuned him out a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Just now, Ex-Rex said: Mac has had his hands tied by Woody Johnson who has insisted the team be competitive while rebuilding. So what you have here is a locker room of 30-something FA's and young draftees who clearly don't have chemistry together. Mac needs to clean house of the 30-something veterans and the lazy vets. I would start with Revis and Richardson and can their a$$es, regardless of the cap hit. These guys are sending a clear message that they don't care. It is about time to recognize that this is NOT a contending team, but rather one that needs to identify team leaders and cut a lot of dead weight. That means probably another losing season next year, until the young guys develop, but I can live with that as long as their is progress. Todd Bowles has got to go as well. He can't motivate this team at all with his laid back style, these veterans tuned him out a long time ago. Isn't this what Korn Ferry and Idzik basically told Woody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 46 minutes ago, nico002 said: He doesn't know how to build a hungry team. look at Seattle, young hungry guys that play with fire- they are competitors. not a collection of complacent veterans lookings for a pay check bellichick will literally cut his best players if they don't give effort he can't draft guy MUST go Talent is the GM. Passion, fire and on-field effort is the Coach. smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Just now, Matt39 said: Isn't this what Korn Ferry and Idzik basically told Woody? He didn't listen. I hope he does now, because this is a major crossroad. If Woody keeps Bowles, he risks losing the young veterans as well as the ones who have packed it in already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Yes Macc needs to go he's terrible at building a roster and drafting look around the league at other rookies and how they are performing compared to our group. The guy is a pencil pushing moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 You don't fire a GM in his 2nd year. I'm not ready to give up on the guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Just now, rillo said: You don't fire a GM in his 2nd year. I'm not ready to give up on the guy This situation as bad as it is requires a complete house cleaning, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 36 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: that's what bowles was always afraid of, as soon as the vets thought the coach moved onto next season they didn't have to play hard anymore. this finally caved last night. How do you explain the team looking so ragged when Fitz was in there in the first half? This team quit on Bowles a long time ago in case you didn't recognize the lack of effort since week one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Just now, joewilly12 said: This situation as bad as it is requires a complete house cleaning, You can't rebuild without a GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 4 minutes ago, Warfish said: Talent is the GM. Passion, fire and on-field effort is the Coach. smh Where, pray tell, is the talent on this roster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Just now, Ex-Rex said: You can't rebuild without a GM. You hire a new one with an open mind and he builds his own team start from scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Just now, dbatesman said: Where, pray tell, is the talent on this roster? Exactly we are 3-9 for a valid reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 6 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: This situation as bad as it is requires a complete house cleaning, I don't agree here, fire the coach fine, but the talent is there minus the QB, but that's been the case for a decade plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 2 minutes ago, rillo said: I don't agree here, fire the coach fine, but the talent is there minus the QB, but that's been the case for a decade plus. Again...where's the talent. Please provide examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 2 minutes ago, rillo said: I don't agree here, fire the coach fine, but the talent is there minus the QB, but that's been the case for a decade plus. What talent? The depth group at WR isn't that good. The Patriots Malcolm Mitchell rookie is 100x better than any of our rookie WR's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 2 minutes ago, peebag said: Again...where's the talent. Please provide examples. think of how empty the cupboard was when Mac came in - he made a bunch of vet signings simply to fill the roster with NFL players. It's been less than 2 years. I give Macc 5 years total - that's what I'd like to see. The typical 3 year cycle isn't enough time for a GM to implement a plan and get the pieces together. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Life Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Agree. He cant draft and his FA signings are horrible. Wilkerson deal looks bad too. Hes a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 5 minutes ago, peebag said: Again...where's the talent. Please provide examples. D line, WRs there's not much, but this team shouldn't be a 3 win team. Get some better coaching at these positions. You can't fire the GM in his 2nd year, his draft hasn't even had a chance to prove themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 5 minutes ago, David Harris said: think of how empty the cupboard was when Mac came in - he made a bunch of vet signings simply to fill the roster with NFL players. It's been less than 2 years. I give Macc 5 years total - that's what I'd like to see. The typical 3 year cycle isn't enough time for a GM to implement a plan and get the pieces together. JMO This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 11 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: What talent? The depth group at WR isn't that good. The Patriots Malcolm Mitchell rookie is 100x better than any of our rookie WR's. If you're comparing the pats to the jets then Idk what to tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Just now, rillo said: If you're comparing the pats to the jets then Idk what to tell you. Rookie's Macc brought in most wouldnt be in the NFL it werent for the Jets Devin Smith,Jalin Marshall,Robbie Anderson,Charone Peake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 11 minutes ago, David Harris said: think of how empty the cupboard was when Mac came in - he made a bunch of vet signings simply to fill the roster with NFL players. It's been less than 2 years. I give Macc 5 years total - that's what I'd like to see. The typical 3 year cycle isn't enough time for a GM to implement a plan and get the pieces together. JMO Great. Now that all of those "NFL players" have turned back into pumpkins, we need to turn over half the starting lineup just to field a team next season, including key positions like LT, CB1, and possibly WR1. Meanwhile, we have no one to fill these positions because, save Williams, half of his draft picks are ******* terrible and the other half are total unknowns because they've been blocked by all these veterans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 People keep saying we have no talent at WR? Seriously? Marshall + Decker + Enunwa + J. Marshall/Anderson/Peake + Devin Smith if he's ever healthy, is perfectly fine talent wise. We're weak at TE, because our O-Co does not in any way utilize the TE in the passing game. But that WR group is the best/most potential we've seen in years here. The kids are suffering kid problems, mostly route running and dropsies, but the talent is there if we get a QB who can utilize it. Decker is hurt (and thats hurt us badly). WR is not a talent problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 1 minute ago, Warfish said: People keep saying we have no talent at WR? Seriously? Marshall + Decker + Enunwa + J. Marshall/Anderson/Peake + Devis Smith if he's ever healthy, is perfectly fine talent wise. We're weak at TE, because our O-Co does not in any way utilize the TE in the passing game. But that WR group is the best/most potential we've seen in years here. Is this a bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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