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2010-2014.  5 NFL drafts with a total of 37 picks. STARTERS OFFENSE: 2 1 a 6th round WR (Enunwa) 1 a 3rd round G (Winters) DEFENSE: 3 2 DT's (Mo and Richardson) 1 av

I agree as well. But my argument would be more focused on the good things Macc did rather than how poor the previous GMs were. And he did a lot of good.  I saw one poster say Macc can't draft- sp

I have no issues with Mike Maccagnan. I think he is doing as good a job as possible under the conditions.

3 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

I have no issues with Mike Maccagnan. I think he is doing as good a job as possible under the conditions.

Again, there are many who understand all this and want to have some dialogue that does not degrade down to FIRE EVERYONE.  The only thing you can do is keep showing others how bad this team really was.  It was a miracle we were as good as we were given how poorly this team has drafted this decade.  No NFL team can compete in the long-term when you whiff for half a decade.

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Mac is doing a decent job.  His drafts look ok.  His trades, good.  CA signings, ok,  it you don't know the Woody effect, or the effect of bad coaching.  He deserves more time with a  clear instruction of rebuild, but should be called out for his mistakes.  

This is a big draft.

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6 minutes ago, RSJ said:

I agree. I think the same argument can be made for Bowles too. 

I don't think it's alarming that we took a step back this year under Bowles, I think it is alarming how many steps we took back and the way we did it.  I don't want to fire Bowles, hee has some good qualities to be a good HC but he has a lot of work to do.

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11 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said:

2010-2014.  5 NFL drafts with a total of 37 picks.

STARTERS

OFFENSE: 2

1 a 6th round WR (Enunwa)

1 a 3rd round G (Winters)

DEFENSE: 3

2 DT's (Mo and Richardson)

1 average (being generous) S (Pryor)

PLAYERS STILL ON TEAM (Including those starters)

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But yet Mac was suppose to turn this team into the Patriots in two years (one of which he was Executive of the Year nominated by the Pro Football Writers Association) and now an alarmingly high number of fans want him replaced.

AND the funny thing about it is, we wonder why this team is mired in mediocrity (which, BTW is inaccurate......we have been quite successful for the past decade by NFL standards)

 

 

great post. just to add.

Blanket Coverage: Todd Bowles should not be blamed for Jets' failures this season

Todd Bowles hasn't been perfect in 2016, but his personnel has let him down. The New York Jets simply aren’t good, and that’s because of past sins—not recent ones.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/12/08/nfl-week-14-new-york-jets-todd-bowles-coaching

 

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I don't think it's alarming that we took a step back this year under Bowles, I think it is alarming how many steps we took back and the way we did it.  I don't want to fire Bowles, hee has some good qualities to be a good HC but he has a lot of work to do.

I agree. It was definitely alarming. There were lots of steps back - but they also are separating the roster to see who fits and wants to commit to win and who doesn't. Sometimes a year like this can be good.

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5 minutes ago, RSJ said:

I agree. It was definitely alarming. There were lots of steps back - but they also are separating the roster to see who fits and wants to commit to win and who doesn't. Sometimes a year like this can be good.

if we had a ton of young talent gaining experience I would agree it can be good but that's not the case.  Now if Petty shows he is capable then this season can become a success.

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12 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

I don't think it's alarming that we took a step back this year under Bowles, I think it is alarming how many steps we took back and the way we did it.  I don't want to fire Bowles, hee has some good qualities to be a good HC but he has a lot of work to do.

I would prefer not to fire Bowles as well but the last game was alarming to say the least. I need to see the young guys respond over the last four weeks to feel good about the coach moving forward. I dont need wins, I need effort.

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13 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

I don't think it's alarming that we took a step back this year under Bowles, I think it is alarming how many steps we took back and the way we did it.  I don't want to fire Bowles, hee has some good qualities to be a good HC but he has a lot of work to do.

junc

I value your opinion a lot. You know football and you know what you are talking about. Can you elaborate on Bowles' good qualities? I seem to have none. 

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3 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

if we had a ton of young talent gaining experience I would agree it can be good but that's not the case.  Now if Petty shows he is capable then this season can become a success.

We dont know what we have. Maybe Shell, Burris, Simon, Wilds, Middleton and others can be productive players. We are about to see.

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23 minutes ago, varjet said:

Mac is doing a decent job.  His drafts look ok.  His trades, good.  CA signings, ok,  it you don't know the Woody effect, or the effect of bad coaching.  He deserves more time with a  clear instruction of rebuild, but should be called out for his mistakes.  

This is a big draft.

My feelings exactly. His drafts have been good, not great. This is a another big one for him

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14 minutes ago, Fibonacci said:

junc

I value your opinion a lot. You know football and you know what you are talking about. Can you elaborate on Bowles' good qualities? I seem to have none. 

I like his approach to the game and to the players. He doesn't get swayed by fans and the media and that's a very good thing.  I would just hate to reset again after only 2 years. he has a lot of things to improve on, I think he deserves at least one more year.

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Just now, nyjunc said:

we have some young talent, are they getting experience? are we losing b/c of youth?

I think so, a little bit.

BTW, that SI article is awesome and every Jets fan of either opinion should read it.

WOuld you rather have gone 2-14 last year and 3-13 this year? Or 10-6 last year and 3-13 this year?

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our drafts have been Terrible and our coaching has been Terrible-not sure what planet some of you folks live on-same guys that kept saying Fitz was the answer too

same guys saying we have a good gm and a good coach all year and lots of talent on the team

then wtf are we one of the worst teams in the league?

jet fans love to over value guys as well that are avg and make them out to be great when they are not

some just refuse to see the truth because the truth is damn scary as a fan-the future looks BAD

 

 

 

 

 

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Just now, kmnj said:

our drafts have been Terrible and our coaching has been Terrible-not sure what planet some of you folks live on-same guys that kept saying Fitz was the answer too

same guys saying we have a good gm and a good coach all year and lots of talent on the team

then wtf are we one of the worst teams in the league?

jet fans love to over value guys as well that are avg and make them out to be great when they are not

some just refuse to see the truth because the truth is damn scary as a fan-the future looks BAD

 

 

 

 

 

Did you read the SI article?

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yes i read it and I read tons of articles saying the jets are one of the worst teams in the league with no talent, bad coaching -do you want me to link them?

I dont need to read anything to form an opinion-I watch the games and see them loose almost every week while being out coached, playing with no effort and lots of bad players out there

the jets are what there record says they are -they are a bad team thanks to a bad coach-a bad gm and lack of talent and the talent we have has given up and shows no heart-they skip meetings and could care less about winning

 

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The majority of the bashers are Idzik fans who still have their panties in a wad over Idzik getting fired. There are plenty who have been critical, and with fair points, but most of them have been reasonable enough to state that its been a small sample. I'm sure an Idzik supporter will come flying in and try to bat me over the head with the fact that it was the same small sample size for Idzik, and I agree with that. The difference is that Idzik was only hired because he was the best of a motley crew willing to accept Rex as their head coach, and likely would not have been hired if Woody wasn't so f'ng stupid as to insist the fat man baby stayed with. Then, when he passed on Carr, Bridgwater and Garrapolo, because he had Geno, he pretty much sealed his fate. 

So in reality, the real Mac bashers are actually protecting their pro Idzik agenda.

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there is no sugar coating it-our team is awful-if you dont want to hold those accountable for it that is your choice-next year we will be worse-how long should we give unproven guys to right the ship 3 years 5 years 25 years?

 

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1 minute ago, kmnj said:

there is no sugar coating it-our team is awful-if you dont want to hold those accountable for it that is your choice-next year we will be worse-how long should we give unproven guys to right the ship 3 years 5 years 25 years?

Generic answer, I give a GM 5 years, and  Head Coach 3 years.

Specific answer, I give Macc a third year (and then see) and I fire Bowles now.

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tickets went for 4 bucks at the last game-yeah this team is GREAT keep up the good work gm/coach

what makes you think next year or the year after will be any better

I believe in winners and hiring proven winners-when you are in business you go after the best talent-proven guys you dont keep handing the ship to guys that have never done the job and if you do by chance you pull the rug  under from them when they fail-our record shows they have failed -our performance shows they have failed-the lack of effort and commitment from our players shows they failed

your "top" players not showing up to meetings and it is tolerated

 

 

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Generic answer, I give a GM 5 years, and  Head Coach 3 years.

Specific answer, I give Macc a third year (and then see) and I fire Bowles now.

If we hired proven guys I a fine being patient -non proven guys not so much-especially when you can see the talent is bad, the coaching is bad and the worst of the worst no effort and players skipping meetings-that cant be tolerated

 

 

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45 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

I think so, a little bit.

BTW, that SI article is awesome and every Jets fan of either opinion should read it.

WOuld you rather have gone 2-14 last year and 3-13 this year? Or 10-6 last year and 3-13 this year?

we shouldn't be anywhere near 3-13 and that article(if it is the one I read) was incredibly off base.

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1 hour ago, RSJ said:

I agree. I think the same argument can be made for Bowles too. 

huh? Are you serious? Did you watch game #1 this year? Now I assume you did, have you watched the team get worse week in and week out culminating in Monday's most embarrassing debacle in Jets history? Mac should stay and be allowed to pick his own HC. He gets at least this shot. I do not blame Bowltite on Mac as this was not his choice, he just went with it to be a team player. Bowltite has no personality his team has no fire and is totally boring to watch, he coaches scared, he constantly plays not to lose, which by the way, they cannot even do that right.

 

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