JetsFanatic Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Mehta supposedly claims the Jets are hot on Mitch Trubisky, I dont buy it! http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/65689/drafting-another-quarterback-would-show-jets-are-clueless Drafting another quarterback would show Jets are clueless 7:00 AM ET Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer Facebook Twitter Pinterest Email print comment Our New York Jets question of the week deals with (what else?) the quarterback position. Do they draft one for the fifth straight year? @RichCimini: I'd be very surprised if the Jets draft another quarterback in the first or second round, Kelvin. If they do that, it would be an admission from general manager Mike Maccagnan that he botched the Christian Hackenbergpick. If they give up on Hackenberg after one year, without seeing him in game action, it would go down as one of the biggest draft blunders in Jets history. Basically, Maccagnan would be telling the world, "I'm lousy at my job." He was a second-round pick, for crying out loud. When you pick a guy that high, the expectation is that he's a future starter. The Carolina Panthers found themselves in a similar situation a few years back. In 2010, they used a second-round pick on Jimmy Clausen, who went 1-9 as a rookie and pretty much stunk. In 2011, they bailed on Clausen and took another quarterback -- except the quarterback was Cam Newton and he was the No. 1 pick in the draft. They had to do it; they couldn't pass up a franchise quarterback. In retrospect, it was the right move. There will be no Cam Newtons in this year's draft. If there is, he'd certainly be gone by the time the Jets are picking, somewhere in the No. 4 to No. 7 range. The top three guys are Mitch Trubisky (North Carolina), DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame) and Deshaun Watson (Clemson). I bet one or two of these guys sneak into the top 10, just because of supply and demand, but buyer beware: It's fool's gold. Maccagnan would have to be really down on Hackenberg to invest a first-round pick on one of these prospects. Trubisky, a no-name at the start of the season, has elevated his stock the most. He's the current flavor of the month, but he still hasn't declared for the draft and I know the Jets haven't done much homework on him. Trubisky has some upside, but he has only 12 collegiate starts, meaning he's a project. How many projects does one GM get to have? Maccagnan doesn't have a great batting average when it comes to quarterback decisions. Let's break them down: 1. Acquiring Ryan Fitzpatrick for a sixth-round pick (2015): Terrific move. It won him the NFL Executive of the Year award. 2. Drafting Bryce Petty in the fourth round (2015): He won't be the opening-day starter in 2017, but he can validate the pick if he becomes a reliable No. 2. 3. Drafting Hackenberg in the second (2016): A highly questionable choice at this point. 4. Re-signing Fitzpatrick for $12 million (2016): This decision backfired in disastrous fashion. Maccagnan is out of mulligans. The Jets have too many other needs to invest another high pick in a quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Drafting another quarterback would show Jets are clueless 7:00 AM ET Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer Facebook Twitter Pinterest Email print comment Our New York Jets question of the week deals with (what else?) the quarterback position. Do they draft one for the fifth straight year? @RichCimini: I'd be very surprised if the Jets draft another quarterback in the first or second round, Kelvin. If they do that, it would be an admission from general manager Mike Maccagnan that he botched the Christian Hackenbergpick. If they give up on Hackenberg after one year, without seeing him in game action, it would go down as one of the biggest draft blunders in Jets history. Basically, Maccagnan would be telling the world, "I'm lousy at my job." He was a second-round pick, for crying out loud. When you pick a guy that high, the expectation is that he's a future starter. The Carolina Panthers found themselves in a similar situation a few years back. In 2010, they used a second-round pick on Jimmy Clausen, who went 1-9 as a rookie and pretty much stunk. In 2011, they bailed on Clausen and took another quarterback -- except the quarterback was Cam Newton and he was the No. 1 pick in the draft. They had to do it; they couldn't pass up a franchise quarterback. In retrospect, it was the right move. There will be no Cam Newtons in this year's draft. If there is, he'd certainly be gone by the time the Jets are picking, somewhere in the No. 4 to No. 7 range. The top three guys are Mitch Trubisky (North Carolina), DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame) and Deshaun Watson (Clemson). I bet one or two of these guys sneak into the top 10, just because of supply and demand, but buyer beware: It's fool's gold. Maccagnan would have to be really down on Hackenberg to invest a first-round pick on one of these prospects. Trubisky, a no-name at the start of the season, has elevated his stock the most. He's the current flavor of the month, but he still hasn't declared for the draft and I know the Jets haven't done much homework on him. Trubisky has some upside, but he has only 12 collegiate starts, meaning he's a project. How many projects does one GM get to have? Maccagnan doesn't have a great batting average when it comes to quarterback decisions. Let's break them down: 1. Acquiring Ryan Fitzpatrick for a sixth-round pick (2015): Terrific move. It won him the NFL Executive of the Year award. 2. Drafting Bryce Petty in the fourth round (2015): He won't be the opening-day starter in 2017, but he can validate the pick if he becomes a reliable No. 2. 3. Drafting Hackenberg in the second (2016): A highly questionable choice at this point. 4. Re-signing Fitzpatrick for $12 million (2016): This decision backfired in disastrous fashion. Maccagnan is out of mulligans. The Jets have too many other needs to invest another high pick in a quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFanWithNOPSL2017 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 When does Dick Semen run out of mulligans and get booted by ESPN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Hackenberg is already one of the biggest draft blunders in Jets draft history. The only way to make it worse is to pass on another guy the next year to save face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted December 17, 2016 Author Share Posted December 17, 2016 1 minute ago, dbatesman said: Hackenberg is already one of the biggest draft blunders in Jets draft history. The only way to make it worse is to pass on another guy the next year to save face. How do you know that? He hasn't played yet. He doesn't even turn 22 till February. I love fans, unless he is an all pro from day 1 he is a bust! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Hackenberg is a big ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 redskins drafted 2 QB's in the same draft you can never have too many QB's, especially with the new CBA making rookies affordable if you do the work and feel a QB is worth it, you take him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted December 17, 2016 Author Share Posted December 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, Larz said: redskins drafted 2 QB's in the same draft you can never have too many QB's, especially with the new CBA making rookies affordable if you do the work and feel a QB is worth it, you take him I agree with the sentiment, but assuming Petty plays well enough in the last few games to give some hope, combined with a QB taken in the 2nd round this year, I would hope the Jets can draft a player in the 1st round that gives immediate impact. I'm hoping between Hackenberg and Petty we may have our long term QB already on the roster. Plus, and very importantly, I think Mac feels Hackenberg has a good shot to be THE QB or he wouldn't have taken him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Until we build a Oline, a qb won't matter.. Look at dallas, they invested heavily in a line and easily plugged in a a beast qb who was deemed " totally not ready " by the experts.. We have to fix the Online, before we worry about upgrading from petty, Powell, who I think jets under value tremendously.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 1 minute ago, JetsFanatic said: I agree with the sentiment, but assuming Petty plays well enough in the last few games to give some hope, combined with a QB taken in the 2nd round this year, I would hope the Jets can draft a player in the 1st round that gives immediate impact. I'm hoping between Hackenberg and Petty we may have our long term QB already on the roster. Unknown at this moment. It would be nice to see Hackenberg play some even if its garbage time. If he's a bust the pick and the way we coddled him will never be forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 1 hour ago, JetsFanatic said: Maccagnan is out of mulligans. God the New York Sports media is a sh*thole of fail. The only thing they seem to do is work as hard as they can to get people fired asap. And they're not above making up sh*t or creating the story to do it. They are not a friend to the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 1 hour ago, JetsFanatic said: Mehta supposedly claims the Jets are hot on Mitch Trubisky, I dont buy it! http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/65689/drafting-another-quarterback-would-show-jets-are-clueless Sorry, but are you claiming one idiot is wrong by citing to the other idiot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted December 17, 2016 Author Share Posted December 17, 2016 1 minute ago, rex-n-effect said: Sorry, but are you claiming one idiot is wrong by citing to the other idiot? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted December 17, 2016 Author Share Posted December 17, 2016 7 minutes ago, Warfish said: God the New York Sports media is a sh*thole of fail. The only thing they seem to do is work as hard as they can to get people fired asap. And they're not above making up sh*t or creating the story to do it. They are not a friend to the fans. I agree with your sentiment, but I have a hard time believing Mac will draft a QB with a high pick given his choice of Hackenberg last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFanWithNOPSL2017 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Hackenberg is already one of the biggest draft blunders in Jets draft history. The only way to make it worse is to pass on another guy the next year to save face. Tom Brady was inactive behind Drew Bledsoe and Michael Bishop his entire rookie season. He made it to second string in year 2 and probably would not have played had not All Time Cheater MVP Mo Lewis not saved the entire franchiseI guess that makes Tom Brady one of the biggest draft blunders in Cheater draft history too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 "There are no Cam Newtons in this draft." I hate it when people say crap like this. 1st off, most people didn't think Cam Newton would be Cam Newton. 2nd of all, it's all subjective. It's nor what we think, it's about what the Jets think. If the Jets feel Kizer, Trubisky, or Watson have the potential to be franchise QBs and they're available, they should take them. No ifs ands or buts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Guaranteed that if Mehta & Cimini were Seahawk beat writers they would have lambasted them for drafting Russell Wilson in the 3rd round after signing Matt Flynn to a huge contract. Would have been a "what are they doing..are they stupi..., oh he beat out Flynn in camp...really?, wow...what a great move...what foresight, I love covering these geniuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 30 minutes ago, JetFanWithNOPSL2017 said: Tom Brady was inactive behind Drew Bledsoe and Michael Bishop his entire rookie season. He made it to second string in year 2 and probably would not have played had not All Time Cheater MVP Mo Lewis not saved the entire franchise I guess that makes Tom Brady one of the biggest draft blunders in Cheater draft history too My goodness, he's right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin L Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 So, a team without a franchise quarterback shouldn't draft a quarterback? Sound logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Saying drafting Hack is a highly questionable pick at this point is absurd. There's no difference whatsoever in now vs. the day they picked him. They have always been honest that he's a project and basically a red-shirt year. I do believe they were committed to keeping him on the bench all year. So if you didn't like the pick at the draft so be it, but nothing should be different from then and now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 1 hour ago, dbatesman said: Hackenberg is already one of the biggest draft blunders in Jets draft history. The only way to make it worse is to pass on another guy the next year to save face. No hes not. Not even close, stop with the nonsense already. Hes what they said he was, a long term project with a huge upside. If it fails, hasn't yet, it was a 2nd round waste of a pick. Had enough of those. Not like it's Blair Thomas or Gholston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 15 minutes ago, dbatesman said: My goodness, he's right! Is there even a point to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 How long have Jets fans been asking for general manager who will keep dafting quarterbacks until we have one? Now that the Jets may finally have one, he's "clueless" for doing just that. WTF?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 You keep drafting QB's until you hit jackpot. Cimini is an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 1 hour ago, JetsFanatic said: I agree with the sentiment, but assuming Petty plays well enough in the last few games to give some hope, combined with a QB taken in the 2nd round this year, I would hope the Jets can draft a player in the 1st round that gives immediate impact. I'm hoping between Hackenberg and Petty we may have our long term QB already on the roster. Plus, and very importantly, I think Mac feels Hackenberg has a good shot to be THE QB or he wouldn't have taken him! I hope you are right, but I suspect the Jets view Hack as a potential starter and petty as a potential back-up. Petty is 25 years old, Hack is 21 years old. Petty really should be in his prime, and he is still learning basics. I don't count Petty in the Jets long term future at all I hope I am wrong, I hope he is a stud and our answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Mac cannot take a QB high, because he will basically fire himself. The Jets need OL to help a QB develop. Until they do that, they shoul not make another QB investment. But if mac was not picking they could pick a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 2 hours ago, Warfish said: God the New York Sports media is a sh*thole of fail. The only thing they seem to do is work as hard as they can to get people fired asap. And they're not above making up sh*t or creating the story to do it. They are not a friend to the fans. The decision to re-signFutz is a fire able offense. Set the franchise back two year at least. That signing kept the Jetsfromdevelopingthe 3 younger QB's on the roster. How could theGM not see that one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Hackenberg in round 2 was a mind-boggling, franchise humiliating, inexcusable brain-fart of a selection. Everyone already knows they are clueless... The only defense is the Jets manage to eff up their 2nd every year. At least they tried a QB. But Browning, Kellen and Geno say hi. smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Hackenberg is already one of the biggest draft blunders in Jets draft history. The only way to make it worse is to pass on another guy the next year to save face. Hackenberg is a major blunder if you're counting on him and only him. That is precisely why we need to draft a top prospect now and start him next year. If that prospect turns out solid then Hack becomes a potential trade piece. If top prospect fails after 2-3 years, Hackenberg can step in with the prerequisite time he supposedly needs to "develop". Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Fibonacci said: You keep drafting QB's until you hit jackpot. Cimini is an idiot. The problem is - you typically can't tell if you hit the jackpot unless you play them and give them a chance. And if you have too many of them, you can't evaluate them all. It's like buying lottery tickets - but not checking to see if they're winners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 47 minutes ago, Jetdawgg said: The decision to re-signFutz is a fire able offense. Set the franchise back two year at least. That signing kept the Jetsfromdevelopingthe 3 younger QB's on the roster. How could theGM not see that one? How did it set the franchise back two years when it's painfully obvious that neither Petty or Hack are ready to be starting NFL QBs and Petty was hurt to start the season? Petty is getting valuable time now and Hack will have his chance next year because there was no shot of him playing this season. The CBA holds young QBs back from developing more than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 54 minutes ago, Jetdawgg said: The decision to re-signFutz is a fire able offense. If you say so. Quote Set the franchise back two year at least. If you say so. Quote That signing kept the Jetsfromdevelopingthe 3 younger QB's on the roster. How could theGM not see that one? Tell us more about how Geno is the best QB we could possibly have next year in 2017. Matter of fact, don't bother. I'm not in the mood to refight the last war, especially with Geno fans who don;t realize how wrong they've been about Geno (unlike us FORMER-Fitz supporters who freely admit Fitz sucked this year and should be cut). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I would rather have Mac acknowledge he made a bad pick and take a qb early instead of having him not take one to pad his ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 It's real early but I hope Mac purges the roster and goes young. If they are going to spend any money I hope it's for O line. Let's roll with Petty and Hack and maybe a late round flier on Greg Ward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 1 hour ago, varjet said: Mac cannot take a QB high, because he will basically fire himself. The Jets need OL to help a QB develop. Until they do that, they shoul not make another QB investment. But if mac was not picking they could pick a QB. You know you can go QB and still go OL in the draft right? The 2 aren't mutually exclusive, there's nothing stopping them from doing both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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