JohnnyLV Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 3 hours ago, dbatesman said: Hackenberg is already one of the biggest draft blunders in Jets draft history. The only way to make it worse is to pass on another guy the next year to save face. Simply not true. He was drafted as a red shirt guy. Has elite arm talent and release and is one of the smartest QBS football wise since Peyton. Plus Cimini has no insight whatsoever into whether Bryce starts next year. He has a good chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONX DUDE Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 4 hours ago, joewilly12 said: Drafting another quarterback would show Jets are clueless 7:00 AM ET Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer Facebook Twitter Pinterest The Jets are clueless Just End The Season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I wouldnt touch any of the top 3 QB's in this upcoming draft. But if the Jets love one of them, you have to trust them with the pick. 1. Ryan Fitzpatrick- I still look at this as a good move. He gave them a great first season for a 6th round pick and even though he struggled heavily in year 2 he still was only a 1 year commitment that I felt the Jets had to make. Petty and Hack the jury is still out on. Petty was a 4th round pick. He isnt an indictment on Maac if he doesnt pan out. Hack would be. But thats the risk you run when drafting a guy considered to be a project. But thats one of the biggest reasons i wouldnt draft one of these QB's. They are mainly considered projects and like you said, how many projects can one GM have at the QB position. Which is why I think the Jets are better off going the FA route to find a guy to hopefully compete with Petty and Hack next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Nobody knows what Hackenberg is yet. They will say they knew if their present estimate turns out to be true. But they do not know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 50 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: How did it set the franchise back two years when it's painfully obvious that neither Petty or Hack are ready to be starting NFL QBs and Petty was hurt to start the season? Petty is getting valuable time now and Hack will have his chance next year because there was no shot of him playing this season. The CBA holds young QBs back from developing more than anything else. Let me school you once again. Geno was under contract, participated in the OTA's and Was ready for PS. Futz was on the street and at Knicks games. No practice, no OTA's a and completely not ready for PS. Then he signed for $12MM. Over 2 seasons. Geno was a cheaper option and could have easily delivered the same sh1t Futz did for a lot less. If Geno failed, the Jets could have more easily moved on from him and to one of the younger, newly drafted QB's. That would easily have put to bed any argument regarding Smith as a Jets QB. The two newly drafted QB's would have been more prepared as they would have been getting reps that Futz stole from them this season. Now we know Futz was a total disaster. The younger QB's are not ready and even worse Smith is injured and not under contract for next season. The Jets are worse off for this mess. That money Futz stole could have strengthened another position or two, which is sorely in need. Instead the Jets still have to pay this man next season and still cannot get the full compliment of talent necessary to make them a SB contender. Add that debacle to all the other blunders by this GM and it is easy to see an argument made for his dismissal. what other franchise drafts new QB's, does not give them prep time and then sign weak armed, aged gunslingers for the primary position on the field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 4 hours ago, dbatesman said: Hackenberg is already one of the biggest draft blunders in Jets draft history. The only way to make it worse is to pass on another guy the next year to save face. How about we actually see him play a few snaps in regular season action? Bowles has done such an awful job managing the QB situation this year. He reminded me of Rex's refusal to bench Suckchez by continuing to start Crappatrick until the season was well over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Warfish said: If you say so. If you say so. Tell us more about how Geno is the best QB we could possibly have next year in 2017. Matter of fact, don't bother. I'm not in the mood to refight the last war, especially with Geno fans who don;t realize how wrong they've been about Geno (unlike us FORMER-Fitz supporters who freely admit Fitz sucked this year and should be cut). I am a Jets fan. We may never know about Smith here as he never had a chance to show his development with the type of dynamic WR's the current staff has in place. He had to make it work with WR's who are not even playing two hand touch these days. Moreover, just like another poster who raved over an aged, weak armed, water pistol, pea shooter that signing of Futz hurt the two younger QB's who would have been getting reps instead of him. It also killed the effort to solidify other positions. Not like that is not an issue either. Your hatred of Smith is much stronger than my belief that he is the Jets answer at QB. I never made that claim and I clearly noted that Futz should not have been signed and for 2 seasons none the less. Killed the team and killed the cap with one sig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 20 minutes ago, Jetdawgg said: Let me school you once again. Geno was under contract, participated in the OTA's and Was ready for PS. Futz was on the street and at Knicks games. No practice, no OTA's a and completely not ready for PS. Then he signed for $12MM. Over 2 seasons. Geno was a cheaper option and could have easily delivered the same sh1t Futz did for a lot less. If Geno failed, the Jets could have more easily moved on from him and to one of the younger, newly drafted QB's. That would easily have put to bed any argument regarding Smith as a Jets QB. The two newly drafted QB's would have been more prepared as they would have been getting reps that Futz stole from them this season. Now we know Futz was a total disaster. The younger QB's are not ready and even worse Smith is injured and not under contract for next season. The Jets are worse off for this mess. That money Futz stole could have strengthened another position or two, which is sorely in need. Instead the Jets still have to pay this man next season and still cannot get the full compliment of talent necessary to make them a SB contender. Add that debacle to all the other blunders by this GM and it is easy to see an argument made for his dismissal. what other franchise drafts new QB's, does not give them prep time and then sign weak armed, aged gunslingers for the primary position on the field? Lol. "School me". All you did here is prove me right. What you fail to realize is that Fitz being here hasn't stunted the growth of either Petty or Hack and that was your original claim. He didn't "steal reps" from an injured Petty nor a QB in Hack that hasn't really been ready to take any reps. Further, if they went with Geno instead, then he would have being "stealing reps" because he isn't the QB of the future either. The money is of no real consequence. They have plenty of other players stealing much more money than 7 million dollars this season. And I have yet to hear who the Jets missed out on in free agency in 2016 because they brought back Fitz. Likely because there isn't an answer. This team isn't a super bowl contender no matter who the QB is right now and won't be for a few years. The rest of your post is just nonsensical fluff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 6 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Lol. "School me". All you did here is prove me right. What you fail to realize is that Fitz being here hasn't stunted the growth of either Petty or Hack and that was your original claim. He didn't "steal reps" from an injured Petty nor a QB in Hack that hasn't really been ready to take any reps. Further, if they went with Geno instead, then he would have being "stealing reps" because he isn't the QB of the future either. The money is of no real consequence. They have plenty of other players stealing much more money than 7 million dollars this season. And I have yet to hear who the Jets missed out on in free agency in 2016 because they brought back Fitz. Likely because there isn't an answer. This team isn't a super bowl contender no matter who the QB is right now and won't be for a few years. The rest of your post is just nonsensical fluff. If you knew anything about pro football you would have never wanted Futz back after he held out of OTA's. This is a business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Guys it sounds like I was wrong on Hackenberg, and that he is actually good. My apologies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 3 hours ago, varjet said: Mac cannot take a QB high, because he will basically fire himself. The Jets need OL to help a QB develop. Until they do that, they shoul not make another QB investment. But if mac was not picking they could pick a QB. its possible the jets passed on carr because they took geno smith the year before. if you think the QB is worth it, you take him no matter what the reaction will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 53 minutes ago, Jetdawgg said: We may never know about Smith here as he never had a chance to show his development.... And you kidding me? The level of fantasy required to say, basicly, "we don't know about Geno because he never got a chance" is just....I have no words. 53 minutes ago, Jetdawgg said: ....that signing of Futz hurt the two younger QB's who would have been getting reps instead of him. Fitz did more good for those two kids than 10,000 years of watching me-first, immature, can't-figure-out-a-clock or how to pay his debts Geno ever could. 53 minutes ago, Jetdawgg said: Your hatred of Smith is much stronger than my belief that he is the Jets answer at QB. I don;t hate Geno, I think Geno is a poor QB and we can do better. The same exact position I hold today about Fitzpatrick. You, on the other hand, love Geno. And lets not pretend you and I don't know exactly why Geno holds that special place in your heart, and still gets the benefit of the doubt from you after all these years of failure and immaturity. 53 minutes ago, Jetdawgg said: Killed the team and killed the cap with one sig. Fitz was the team last year, and he helped kill it this year along with our entire underperforming Defense. His salary will not hurt out cap or our GM in any meaningful way next year. Save the hyperbole for your Geno excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 44 minutes ago, Jetdawgg said: If you knew anything about pro football you would have never wanted Futz back after he held out of OTA's. This is a business. Now I know nothing about football? That's rich. Enjoy the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 23 minutes ago, Larz said: its possible the jets passed on carr because they took geno smith the year before. if you think the QB is worth it, you take him no matter what the reaction will be. Agree 100% even if you look at the worse example of drafting the same position, the Lions drafting first round WR's Andre Johnson was the last and the best, can't let a mistake last year create another mistake this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 1 hour ago, johnnysd said: Simply not true. He was drafted as a red shirt guy. Has elite arm talent and release and is one of the smartest QBS football wise since Peyton. Plus Cimini has no insight whatsoever into whether Bryce starts next year. He has a good chance Dude...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 18 minutes ago, Warfish said: And you kidding me? The level of fantasy required to say, basicly, "we don't know about Geno because he never got a chance" is just....I have no words. Fitz did more good for those two kids than 10,000 years of watching me-first, immature, can't-figure-out-a-clock or how to pay his debts Geno ever could. I don;t hate Geno, I think Geno is a poor QB and we can do better. The same exact position I hold today about Fitzpatrick. You, on the other hand, love Geno. And lets not pretend you and I don't know exactly why Geno holds that special place in your heart, and still gets the benefit of the doubt from you after all these years of failure and immaturity. Fitz was the team last year, and he helped kill it this year along with our entire underperforming Defense. His salary will not hurt out cap or our GM in any meaningful way next year. Save the hyperbole for your Geno excuses. You are hilarious. Futz, your choice, was a disaster. No wonder you have no words. With Futz as your choice you shouldn't. i would not let Futz near those two young QB's. He is a disaster. A career disaster. Why would anyone want him near developing QB's? Because of Futz, there is still an argument to be made for Smith. We may never know if he signs and plays elsewhere. i don't love Smith. I just have an overall understanding of the team, the franchise and player development. That includes the cap space. Futz choked in Buf last year. I don't know what in the world made you think he would change. He got worse so he did change. any time we have dead money, that affects other areas that the team needs to develop, like ST's. I think it would be great if you decide to stop acting like a know it all when you clearly are now trying to be humble somewhat. There is no doubt that even if Smith was as bad as Futz, he was a cheaper option and would have made it easier to move on the to the newer QB's. That is my argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 20 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Now I know nothing about football? That's rich. Enjoy the game. I stated PRO Football. It is a business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I love Cimini!!!!!!! I want to have his babies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZ Jets Fan Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Semeni must be worst beat writer in NFL. Also too much emphasis on quarterbacks [but makes good click bait]. Reality is with Tanny at QB the fish would probably be -5.5 ie difference between franchise QB and some random guy is worth around 3 pts. And how many Superbowls have the Colts won with Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck over past 20 years. Ravens have won one more in a shorter time frame with Dilfer and Flacco. Football is a team game and Jets need to improve at all positions. Also OL's take time to come together Kansas, Oakland, and Tennessee are all starting to look good. It's not rocket science it just takes a little patience Its way easier to integrate new players into an effective unit than to try and rebuild so any incremental improvement the Jets can get next year is valuable. Rebuilding just seems to be a scheme to guarantee job security for coaches and front office. Also impressed that the team played hard for Bowles last week. Bowles will improve as coach over the next few years if he gets the chance. RE Fitz The Jets didn't help the preseason by telling the the world Geno was their guy and signing Fitz at last minute. I think their hard ass negotiating strategy backfired. After last year the team knew Fitz was the best option [despite some inconsistent play which happens to all QB's eg Russel Wilson vs Colts last week]. They ended up signing him for what they said they would and for what Fitz said he wanted but just f'd themselves in the process. Hopefully they can get their s**t together with whoever the QB is next year earlier than week one of preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 6 hours ago, dbatesman said: Hackenberg is already one of the biggest draft blunders in Jets draft history. Lam Jones begs to differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Jets aren't drafting a QB because they are picking at 5. browns, bears and niners are the top 3 teams picking they all need qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 They will probably draft a qb late this year don't count on us landing one of the top threeSent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 1 minute ago, bealeb319 said: They will probably draft a qb late this year don't count on us landing one of the top three Sent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk Sign a veteran like Glennon to compete with Hack and Petty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 23 minutes ago, bealeb319 said: They will probably draft a qb late this year don't count on us landing one of the top three Sent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk Then they shouldn't waste a pick and should just sign a Glennon type. Already have enough second tier, unknown QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 11 hours ago, Jetdawgg said: I stated PRO Football. It is a business. It is a business. And the Jets made a business decision to not have Geno be the starting QB and were willing to spend the money to make that happen. It didn't work out the way they planned, but the blame in that doesn't completely fall at the feet of the QB. The rot on this team goes much deeper than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I'm pretty sure Macc said he has no problem drafting a QB every year till he finds one .. so idk that being said I would rather go Watson in round 2.. and try to get another franchise player in round 1. RB (Fournette) ,LB (Williams), CB ( Wilson ) assuming we still in the top 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said: It is a business. And the Jets made a business decision to not have Geno be the starting QB and were willing to spend the money to make that happen. It didn't work out the way they planned, but the blame in that doesn't completely fall at the feet of the QB. The rot on this team goes much deeper than that. Not well managed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 19 hours ago, dbatesman said: My goodness, he's right! You try too hard.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 21 hours ago, JetsFanatic said: Mehta supposedly claims the Jets are hot on Mitch Trubisky, I dont buy it! http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/65689/drafting-another-quarterback-would-show-jets-are-clueless Drafting another quarterback would show Jets are clueless 7:00 AM ET Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer Facebook Twitter Pinterest Email print comment Our New York Jets question of the week deals with (what else?) the quarterback position. Do they draft one for the fifth straight year? @RichCimini: I'd be very surprised if the Jets draft another quarterback in the first or second round, Kelvin. If they do that, it would be an admission from general manager Mike Maccagnan that he botched the Christian Hackenbergpick. If they give up on Hackenberg after one year, without seeing him in game action, it would go down as one of the biggest draft blunders in Jets history. Basically, Maccagnan would be telling the world, "I'm lousy at my job." He was a second-round pick, for crying out loud. When you pick a guy that high, the expectation is that he's a future starter. The Carolina Panthers found themselves in a similar situation a few years back. In 2010, they used a second-round pick on Jimmy Clausen, who went 1-9 as a rookie and pretty much stunk. In 2011, they bailed on Clausen and took another quarterback -- except the quarterback was Cam Newton and he was the No. 1 pick in the draft. They had to do it; they couldn't pass up a franchise quarterback. In retrospect, it was the right move. There will be no Cam Newtons in this year's draft. If there is, he'd certainly be gone by the time the Jets are picking, somewhere in the No. 4 to No. 7 range. The top three guys are Mitch Trubisky (North Carolina), DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame) and Deshaun Watson (Clemson). I bet one or two of these guys sneak into the top 10, just because of supply and demand, but buyer beware: It's fool's gold. Maccagnan would have to be really down on Hackenberg to invest a first-round pick on one of these prospects. Trubisky, a no-name at the start of the season, has elevated his stock the most. He's the current flavor of the month, but he still hasn't declared for the draft and I know the Jets haven't done much homework on him. Trubisky has some upside, but he has only 12 collegiate starts, meaning he's a project. How many projects does one GM get to have? Maccagnan doesn't have a great batting average when it comes to quarterback decisions. Let's break them down: 1. Acquiring Ryan Fitzpatrick for a sixth-round pick (2015): Terrific move. It won him the NFL Executive of the Year award. 2. Drafting Bryce Petty in the fourth round (2015): He won't be the opening-day starter in 2017, but he can validate the pick if he becomes a reliable No. 2. 3. Drafting Hackenberg in the second (2016): A highly questionable choice at this point. 4. Re-signing Fitzpatrick for $12 million (2016): This decision backfired in disastrous fashion. Maccagnan is out of mulligans. The Jets have too many other needs to invest another high pick in a quarterback. If the Jets take another QB in the later rounds, does that make this reporter a liar . I have to tell you I replaced the word I used originally with reporter . If the Jets take a QB with the athletic ability and size of Cam Newton in the later rounds, does that make this reporter yet a further liar . Speculation as a reporter is what fans live for . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 First I don't believe Mehta he's a totally inaccurate reporter (and makes things up sometimes). Maybe somebody in the org said they like this kid which doesn't mean they are going after him. And last year Mac felt the same way about Hack. To me you have to sign a vet Qb with starting experience. I don't see Petty being the answer after his 3 starts but 3 starts isn't really enough to evaluate a starter. So far with Petty there is an upside but there is a downside too and it outweighs the positives. He might be as Mac once said: a backup NFL Qb. Someone with a big arm that can go in for shorter periods of time and move a team.But can he consistently lead a team to wins. I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 15 hours ago, drdetroit said: Sign a veteran like Glennon to compete with Hack and Petty 15 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Then they shouldn't waste a pick and should just sign a Glennon type. Already have enough second tier, unknown QBs. I don't disagree I would love to see Glennon if they don't have 100% faith in Petty or Hack. If they do have faith in Petty or Hack than sign another bridge guy if we need it for the two of them to learn from (the unpopular Romo or Cutler) but Macc clearly stated that his philosophy is to draft a QB every season so if he sticks to that it will probably be a late round pick that we can take a swing at and they could cut without anyone crying over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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