joewilly12 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 16 minutes ago, dbatesman said: You're getting it backwards. The real problem is that the rest of you dumbasses aren't ok enduring a single 4-12 or 5-11 season, under any regime, ever. No dumbass here, why should we be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 What is a head coaches job? One of the biggest tasks of a head coach is to get his players ready to play, weed out the bad eggs, produce a culture of team work and discipline and to be able to know how to handle different personalities. People who support Bowles are totally ignoring that he has brought a lot of these team check out issues onto himself. That is his job, he has failed at it. He thinks he is doing the right thing by 'handling it internally' by sticking up for his players like flat out lieing 'the effort is there, some young guys just missed assignments' but he has utterly failed in that regard, the team is not playing hard for him, and when I say team I mean the majority of the team and most of the vets. I doubt if he we be fired and that fact that our gm has no say in this will sink maccagnan as well sooner or later. The only hope for bowles in my mind is if the Jets this off season just take a true wrecking ball to the team and get rid of ALL of the malcontent dead wood. What I think will happen will be they will dump a bunch of players to get cap space then sign a bunch of other vets to try and save their phoney baloney jobs. We go 8-8,next year and the cycle of jets life continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jared Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Carroll won 10, then 9, then 8 games with a Pats team that Parcells built, but GM Bobby Grier slowly destroyed with some terrible drafting and veteran reward contracts (remember that he made Drew Bledsoe the highest paid NFL player ever at one point). Carroll was never an amazing X's and O's coach. The schemes in Seattle are not complex. They just happen to have a lot of very good players that they taught sound fundamentals to on defense. The biggest problem the Jets have is talent at some key positions. Give Bowles another year, jettison some of the troublemakers, and find a new QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Just now, Beerfish said: The only hope for bowles in my mind is if the Jets this off season just take a true wrecking ball to the team and get rid of ALL of the malcontent dead wood. What I think will happen will be they will dump a bunch of players to get cap space then sign a bunch of other vets to try and save their phoney baloney jobs. We go 8-8,next year and the cycle of jets life continues. If Woody has his way, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Young guys come in for Vets and the same mistakes happen on the field, if not worse. Guys fighting through the media all over the team. This is not the players, and this is not Pete Carroll coaching this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: If Woody has his way, yes. Woody has FAR less to do with this teams failures than people think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 14 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Which proves what? That he wasn't that horrid in the 90's BB had one winning season in the 90's..and you can include 2000 5-11 season.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Cimini and Mehta are regarded as garbage reporters arent they by most Jets fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 23 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: And to fire a GM in less than 3 seasons is about as dumb as it gets. No matter how many fans think it's smart Mac needs more time for sure, unfortunately he is doomed because he has no control over who coaches the team and how they coach the team. He will draft an impact pass rusher next year and bowles will have him playing as an ilb or dropping into coverage all the time or .'setting the edge' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Mac needs more time for sure, unfortunately he is doomed because he has no control over who coaches the team and how they coach the team. He will draft an impact pass rusher next year and bowles will have him playing as an ilb or dropping into coverage all the time or .'setting the edge' or he "won't be ready yet" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Keeping Bowles next year just prolongs the firing one year - no one is going to advocate keeping him after another 4-5 win season which is happening next year. This ain't a over night fix - so either you commit to the guy long term 4-5 years or you cut him loose now and begin the long rebuild process with a new guy - Bowles should be toast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 1 minute ago, peebag said: Keeping Bowles next year just prolongs the firing one year - no one is going to advocate keeping him after another 4-5 win season which is happening next year. This ain't a over night fix - so either you commit to the guy long term 4-5 years or you cut him loose now and begin the long rebuild process with a new guy - Bowles should be toast Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Nobody would hire Bowles if he was fired as a head coach. Maybe a dbacks coach or something but thats about it. And its not just the locker room stuff and injuries, its been 2 full years now where his in game decision on Sunday are terrible. Hes just not head coach material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuffhand Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 49 minutes ago, Savage69 said: Yet he made the playoffs 2 of his 3 years with the Pats and yes he took over a Tuna team but BB took over and went 5-11 after Carroll left.. As I recollect Carroll was a players coach, the players walked all over him and that's why he got canned from the Jets gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen X Jet Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Cimini's reasoning is simple. Keeping Bowles around makes for good articles. Discord in the locker room, boneheaded plays, etc. sell papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Snell41 said: Firing 3 GMs in 4 years Pretty much guarantees we will not have anyone competent at GM or coach for the next 10 years. I don't believe this for a minute. Any HC worth a sh-t can look at the roster we had at the start of the season and feel like they should be a playoff contender. Gruden and Harbaugh aren't coming here. It's not about attracting the biggest name. It's about getting someone whose team isn't a pathetic bunch of underachieving morons who openly admit to quitting. They're saying they are making the same mistakes they've made all year. They're constantly out of position, constantly start games flat, play devoid of emotion (like their coach), and clearly don't respect Bowles. The kind of coach I want would see the same things many of us see and say "I'm going to fix this sh-t, and fast". No doubt in my mind a competent coach has this team at least near .500. At least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 8 minutes ago, Pac said: The kind of coach I want would see the same things many of us see and say "I'm going to fix this sh-t, and fast". ^^^ Says the guy who supported a coach who said "We're going to fix it" after every loss in the postgame press conference, for 6 years, and never did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: ^^^ Says the guy who supported a coach who said "We're going to fix it" after every loss in the postgame press conference, for 6 years, and never did. Rex Ryan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bowles. Won more than 4 games with much less talented rosters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, Pac said: Rex Ryan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bowles. Won more than 4 games with much less talented rosters. So why are the Bills firing him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: So why are the Bills firing him? Because they realize its time to move on in 2 years he has failed to make the playoffs in Buffalo and things dont seem to be getting any better same as here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Just now, joewilly12 said: Because they realize its time to move on in 2 years he has failed to make the playoffs in Buffalo and things dont seem to be getting any better same as here. Yes. And we should following the example of a great organization like the Buffalo Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: So why are the Bills firing him? because they are making a mistake. announcers during the game were saying the same thing. the team has had a rash of injuries yet still plays hard every week. they both said Rex 100% deserves another year. the Jets have a rash of injuries and quit like bitches. they'll end the season getting punked by the fins, humiliated by the pats, and sh-t stomped by the Bills. but yeah.. Bowles deserves another year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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joewilly12 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 4 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Yes. And we should following the example of a great organization like the Buffalo Bills. Not following the Bills in anyway shape or form, how long did Rex's tenure here last I guess we also made a mistake according to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, Pac said: because they are making a mistake. announcers during the game were saying the same thing. the team has had a rash of injuries yet still plays hard every week. they both said Rex 100% deserves another year. the Jets have a rash of injuries and quit like bitches. they'll end the season getting punked by the fins, humiliated by the pats, and sh-t stomped by the Bills. but yeah.. Bowles deserves another year. The fact that you are suggesting that we do what the Bills do is a warning sign. Following the same actions of the Buffalo Bills is not a great idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 2 hours ago, dbatesman said: The biggest problem with firing Bowles now, as @Sperm Edwards has pointed out, is that it probably buys Maccagnan at least 2-3 more years. Fire them both now or fire them both a year from now, but firing one now is dumb. Agreed. The only way I'd get rid of them both now is if they gave a big name coach like Harbaugh or Coughlin full control over the team. And that's a pie-in-the-sky scenario. Not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Just now, joewilly12 said: Not following the Bills in anyway shape or form, how long did Rex's tenure here last I guess we also made a mistake according to you. He should have been let go with Tanny after 4 years. 4 years is more than 2 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Just now, sourceworx said: Agreed. The only way I'd get rid of them both now is if they gave a big name coach like Harbaugh or Coughlin full control over the team. And that's a pie-in-the-sky scenario. Not happening. Yep. Because most likely than not, the Jets are sucking next year too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: He should have been let go with Tanny after 4 years. 4 years is more than 2 years But he took the Jets to 2 AFC Championship games in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 1 minute ago, sourceworx said: Agreed. The only way I'd get rid of them both now is if they gave a big name coach like Harbaugh or Coughlin full control over the team. And that's a pie-in-the-sky scenario. Not happening. Yep. Because most likely than not, the Jets are sucking next year too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Just now, joewilly12 said: But he took the Jets to 2 AFC Championship games in a row. Which, unless you are the Colts, earned the same amount of trophies as what Bowles did his first year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Which, unless you are the Colts, earned the same amount of trophies as what Bowles did his first year. And second year for which we are one of the worst teams in the NFL. Im done discussing the current situation with you, you are obviously a Todd Bowles supporter I am not. Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Just now, joewilly12 said: And second year for which we are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I'm sorry, Rex got 6 years. He should have gotten 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: I'm sorry, Rex got 6 years. He should have gotten 4 According to you. Rex took this team to back to back AFC Championship games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: And second year for which we are one of the worst teams in the NFL. Im done discussing the current situation with you, you are obviously a Todd Bowles supporter I am not. Have a nice day. It's not a matter of supporting Todd Bowles. It's a matter of being a viable job to other candidates and not becoming a revolving door of head coaches. If Bowles sucks next year, fire him and he will have less years than Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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