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  1. 1. Do you fire Jets Coach Todd Bowles after the Buffalo game?

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The problem with the Jets is mostly about Woody, so I voted no since firing Bowles will not solve the real problem.  That doesn't mean to be clear I think that Bowles is doing a great job or anything.  Clearly he is not.  I just don't think it accomplishes anything.

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1 hour ago, loluchka80 said:

How can you fire a guy after 2 years, and only 1 of those years being bad?

If you had an investment guy who basically broke even his first year and then lost a $hit ton of your money the second year, would you give him a third year?

And while this is mainly meant as an analogy between football and money, there is also a very real monry-to-money comparison here as well.  

I'd love to hear how much money Woody is losing right now.  He's obviously losing PSL and ticket purchase profits, plus gameday $$$ from the stadium.  But even bigger is the longterm effect of such $hit in comparison to the "local" competition.  Mainly being the Giants and even somewhat the Cheaters.  With the Pats being a division "rival" (haha) in a nearby large city.  We're looking at the potential of a Midgets vs Cheaters superbowl for the 3rd time in under a decade.  All while the Jets charge similar prices to those two teams, and give us results that are nowhere near even competent.

If patience was called for, it should have been with the coach and GM who got you to back-to-back championship games once things went south.  

Having patience with these two fools running things could sink this team to its worst time in history.  And we're talking about the Jets here, so that's saying a lot!  

Hell, let's bring back Ryan Fitzpatrick again while we're at it.  Make it a triple decker $hit sandwich.  

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2 hours ago, Ex-Rex said:

I know that firing Bowles may have a negative effect on who will come to take the job, but there are only 32 of these jobs in the NFL, so someone like Todd Haley or the Cowboys OC, Scott Linehan would take it on. I doubt Josh McDaniels would come here, but who knows.

I don't think it would have a negative effect at all. Anyone out there on the inside know what coaches are good coaches or not, knows Bowles is not one of them.. I'm sure they would look more negatively at the jets for the incompetence not to realize that, or indecisive not to fire him now.. I look at what the bills just did to Rex as having a negative effect.. Firing the guy one week before the end just to embarrass him doesn't look good..

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I would really hate to do it, but this season is borderline unforgivable. Don't get me wrong, I said we were a 6 win team going into it, so I didn't expect greatness. Sucking was obvious to me. But the complete lack of effort is really unacceptable. Players look unmotivated and veterans are making egregious mental errors and it's been going on most of the year. Couple that with what I feel is poor game management I don't think I'd have much choice. Disappointing because I did really want to have a successful black HC here in NYC, but things are really bad.

IPersonally I would love to see us bring in Todd Haley. He made his mistakes in KC, he's a great offensive mind, and I just think he's that perfect candidate to get his second shot to do things right. And he's enough of a hardass to change the culture around here.


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1 hour ago, deucebag said:

Yes 10-6 last year was nice, but only TWO of those ten wins were against winning teams.  The Redskins and the Pats.  They beat the Redskins due to it being before Kirk Cousins stopped throwing interceptions.  They beat the Pats because the pats had no running back and were missing Amendola and Edelman - yet it still took overtime to get the win.   So basically 2015 was a mediocre performance.

that doesn't change much.  how can you fire a guy after 2 seasons with only 1 of those seasons being bad?  i understand it looks terrible right now, but i think he deserves year 3.

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1 hour ago, Mike135 said:

If you had an investment guy who basically broke even his first year and then lost a $hit ton of your money the second year, would you give him a third year?

And while this is mainly meant as an analogy between football and money, there is also a very real monry-to-money comparison here as well.  

I'd love to hear how much money Woody is losing right now.  He's obviously losing PSL and ticket purchase profits, plus gameday $$$ from the stadium.  But even bigger is the longterm effect of such $hit in comparison to the "local" competition.  Mainly being the Giants and even somewhat the Cheaters.  With the Pats being a division "rival" (haha) in a nearby large city.  We're looking at the potential of a Midgets vs Cheaters superbowl for the 3rd time in under a decade.  All while the Jets charge similar prices to those two teams, and give us results that are nowhere near even competent.

If patience was called for, it should have been with the coach and GM who got you to back-to-back championship games once things went south.  

Having patience with these two fools running things could sink this team to its worst time in history.  And we're talking about the Jets here, so that's saying a lot!  

Hell, let's bring back Ryan Fitzpatrick again while we're at it.  Make it a triple decker $hit sandwich.  

i don't like that analogy.  when you hire a new coach you expect some bumps early on you're not expecting returns in the first year or two.  obviously you look for things and improvements, and i know it looks really bad right now, but if the jets had gone 4-12 bowles' first year, then 10-6 this year and missed the playoffs no one would want him fired.  i just don't see how you can completely judge a coach and GM after only 2 seasons.  

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On 12/26/2016 at 8:30 AM, T0mShane said:

Here's the qualifier, though: we know that Richardson and Wilkerson are talented enough to be near-elite players in this league and they've looked like street free agents under Bowles, so the evidence would seem to suggest that Bowles and his staff aren't exactly getting the best out of the available talent. Hell, even Revis has looked like Don Boyd Odegard under Bowles. Maccagnan may well be a sh*tbag, but it's hard to tell right now.

He spent a second-round pick on Christian Hackenberg. Don't do this.

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Just now, UnitedWhofans said:

Idzik spent a top ten pick on Dee Milliner. Tanny spent a top 5 pick on Vernon Gholston.

 

And both of them got fired, and deservedly so.

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Just now, UnitedWhofans said:

If his biggest blunder is wasting a second round pick on a QB, I would be very happy.

Hard to pick just one to call his biggest.

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Just now, dbatesman said:

Hard to pick just one to call his biggest.

That and signing Jarvis Jenkins are his two blunders.

Everything else is hindsight, not questioned at the time by a majority of fans or media (Wilkerson, Fitzpatrick), or injury based

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It would seem unfair to fire Bowles after two years with one of those years being a good year.  But this team could not have been more of an embarrassment in many of the high profile games.  

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On ‎12‎/‎26‎/‎2016 at 9:18 AM, Sperm Edwards said:

And @Smashmouth this is a reply to you as well. 

Keeping Mo and Richardson and Williams instead of parlaying at least one of them into a pick that plugs an actual hole - for 2 yrs and counting - is firable on its face. As was drafting a near-undraftable QB in round 2. As was pissing away 3-4 comp draft picks for non-elite 30-somethings for the "competitive rebuild" 2016 season. As was not locking up Snacks when he was only on a 1 yr $2m tag (with nothing yet saved up to date), and would have jumped at a raise to the $5m range on a multi-yr deal, which would have made him he highest paid 2-down NT in the NFL.

These and many other decisions were not just 20/20 hindsight critiques, nor are they bad moves merely because Bowles is an empty-headed doormat. Had he provided Bowles with decent & non has-been NFL starters at QB, LT, RT, CB, outside pass rusher, even the boob Bowles would look half competent.

MM simply hasn't made nearly enough good moves to offset his so many bad ones, independent of being saddled with Bowles. Because frankly, as horrible a HC as Bowles is, the uncomfortable truth is he's also been saddled with Maccagnan. The guy openly says he wants a speedy defense and his GM provides him a DL consisting of 5 DTs plus a sloth of an old ILB and no serious outside pass rusher. (Not to be outdone, Bowles drops one of the DTs to OLB-ILB, and continually drops his old sloth ILB into coverage no matter how many times it blows up in his face). 

Really, they're both terrible. They need to be fired together so a year or two from now Woody doesn't repeat history & tell MM-replacement interviewees they can't fire the Bowles-replacement HC for his first year (or two).

I see your points but at this stage I think the demise of this team has been much more on the coach than the GM . I think it would be much easier to fire the HC at this stage than the GM I mean at least the GM addressed some needs not everything worked out but once again that could be due to terrible coaching. When I look at a coach who gets beat the same way over and over with no adjustment I can't excuse that. GM's can have a bad year here and there because you never know what your going to get when it comes to players.... coaches need to show something and Bowles showed absolutely nothing I mean how does Kacy Rogers still have a job ? Who is Bowles more loyal too a friend who obviously is in over his head or the NY Jets ?

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18 minutes ago, loluchka80 said:

i don't like that analogy.  when you hire a new coach you expect some bumps early on you're not expecting returns in the first year or two.  obviously you look for things and improvements, and i know it looks really bad right now, but if the jets had gone 4-12 bowles' first year, then 10-6 this year and missed the playoffs no one would want him fired.  i just don't see how you can completely judge a coach and GM after only 2 seasons.  

In most cases I'd agree.  However you have to have some common sense here and allow for extremes.  Which is what we have here.

Bowles sucks.  On an extreme level.  This team, the one he leads, is an embarrassment to not only themselves and us fans, but the NFL, football as a whole, sports in general, and anyone who gets paid for working.

This team doesn't try.  He has lost them and has proven not to have any leadership qualities.  Without leadership, a coach has nothing.

Some say a QB HAS to be a leader.  Not true.  You'd like him to be, but it's not required.  Other teammates can lead.  A coach though has to be the unquestioned leader.  And obviously Bowles cannot lead.

Again, he seems like a nice guy, but he sucks as a coach.  No good comes from keeping him around now.

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Just now, Smashmouth said:

I see your points but at this stage I think the demise of this team has been much more on the coach than the GM . I think it would be much easier to fire the HC at this stage than the GM I mean at least the GM addressed some needs not everything worked out but once again that could be due to terrible coaching. When I look at a coach who gets beat the same way over and over with no adjustment I can't excuse that. GM's can have a bad year here and there because you never know what your going to get when it comes to players.... coaches need to show something and Bowles showed absolutely nothing I mean how does Kacy Rogers still have a job ? Who is Bowles more loyal too a friend who obviously is in over his head or the NY Jets ?

Batting about .300 is a good in baseball. It stinks as an NFL GM.You don't need to convince me of the problems with Todd Bowles. I agree with you he's a trainwreck. The additional problem is Maccagnan isn't good himself. 

On the one hand, each is so bad he makes it hard for the other to look good. On the other hand, each can be rationalized as better than he looks because the other is so bad (that he's being held back by his counterpart).

They're both lousy, and they're both in way over their heads. 

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26 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

That and signing Jarvis Jenkins are his two blunders.

Everything else is hindsight, not questioned at the time by a majority of fans or media (Wilkerson, Fitzpatrick), or injury based

Also, other GMs have made mistakes, so in a way Maccagnan has never made any

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29 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

What did he say? 

On Sheldon's comments about Marshall he claimed that it shows he cares...

On Leo's comments that the Jets were not ready to play, he disagreed and said they were ready, they just did not execute

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16 minutes ago, JetFanWithNOPSL2017 said:

 

 


Must be some comments

No mention of any at NFL.com or Jets.com or ESPN or NYDN or Post.

Did he whisper something to his dog?
 

tweets from his presser today. Check out rich cimini twitter

 

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36 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Everything else is hindsight, not questioned at the time by a majority of fans or media (Wilkerson,

Fitzpatrick

), or injury based

 

Not from lack of trying by some of us.

A GM has gotta know the mob can't run the team.  Especially here in NY, if the GM is swayed by media and fans, he's worthless.

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22 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

In most cases I'd agree.  However you have to have some common sense here and allow for extremes.  Which is what we have here.

Bowles sucks.  On an extreme level.  This team, the one he leads, is an embarrassment to not only themselves and us fans, but the NFL, football as a whole, sports in general, and anyone who gets paid for working.

This team doesn't try.  He has lost them and has proven not to have any leadership qualities.  Without leadership, a coach has nothing.

Some say a QB HAS to be a leader.  Not true.  You'd like him to be, but it's not required.  Other teammates can lead.  A coach though has to be the unquestioned leader.  And obviously Bowles cannot lead.

Again, he seems like a nice guy, but he sucks as a coach.  No good comes from keeping him around now.

i think you're exaggerating a bit.  they have won 4 games and the play of a lot players has really fallen off from last year.  

people in the locker room, which includes woody and the GM know what kind of leader he is.  maybe he's terrible, but they seem to want to give him another shot.

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6 minutes ago, NYJ37/12 said:

On Sheldon's comments about Marshall he claimed that it shows he cares...

I actually agree with this.  Of course it could have been expressed better, but considering the problems this team has, I won't be overly critical.  Sheldon is young and immature but one hell of a player and gives more effort than just about anyone.  

I know it's not popular, but I hope he somehow stays and Wilk goes.  

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3 minutes ago, loluchka80 said:

i think you're exaggerating a bit.  

Have ya watched the last few weeks?  Anyone who has paid any sort of money for tickets or merchandise should be allowed to walk up and just slap Bowles, Macc and Woody with no questions asked.

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7 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

I actually agree with this.  Of course it could have been expressed better, but considering the problems this team has, I won't be overly critical.  Sheldon is young and immature but one hell of a player and gives more effort than just about anyone.  

I know it's not popular, but I hope he somehow stays and Wilk goes.  

That isn't happening. Sheldon is gone in the offseason.

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54 minutes ago, loluchka80 said:

i don't like that analogy.  when you hire a new coach you expect some bumps early on you're not expecting returns in the first year or two.  obviously you look for things and improvements, and i know it looks really bad right now, but if the jets had gone 4-12 bowles' first year, then 10-6 this year and missed the playoffs no one would want him fired.  i just don't see how you can completely judge a coach and GM after only 2 seasons.  

Wrong, you expect progress and that is not what we have.  Last year everything - I mean everything - went right for the Jets until the bills game and you saw what the winning covered up, i.e., poor coaching, team not being prepared to play the most important game of the season, not playing the RB that was killing the other team, etc.  

THis HC, the CS and the players all regressed and that responsibility sits with the HC.  

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