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22 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

If Hack is not "ready" next year to at least compete for a job, then I think we have a legitimate reason to be worried. I have zero problem with what they did with him this year other than the fact that I think its asinine to waste the entire season if he has mechanics problems rather than fixing them now. But it does not bother me in the least that he is not playing right now.

I know we have all read what Gailey said about having Hack work on his mechanics in depth this offseason. But let's not just write the past few months off as him not doing anything. None of us know just what he has (or hasn't) worked on before, during and after practices.  

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3 hours ago, C Mart said:

Who here wants Hackenberg to succeed and be the Jets QB for the next 10 years?

 

 

There are definitely posters who would prefer he fail so they can be right.   I prefer to see him play for a while with a decent team before I label him a bust 👤 

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57 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

I would add Favre into that mix as well. I would also say that I don't think he is meddling ala Jerry Jones or Daniel Snyder, but I do think the 4 examples all have been pretty significant. With the exception of Tebow, all those meddles led to very significant directional changes for the Jets, and had long term consequences.

I don't know. I think after Favre was here that started it, rather than demanding they get Favre. I see that as a pure "Trader Mike" move.

Like I said, there's no actual leaks that any of these were from his direction, and there are enough ex-employees (including disgruntled ones) that this stuff surely would have leaked multiple times over by now. Right now, as before, it's still just fan speculation.

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1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I don't know. I think after Favre was here that started it, rather than demanding they get Favre. I see that as a pure "Trader Mike" move.

Like I said, there's no actual leaks that any of these were from his direction, and there are enough ex-employees (including disgruntled ones) that this stuff surely would have leaked multiple times over by now. Right now, as before, it's still just fan speculation.

I think hiring and keeping Rex Ryan shows his motives although Rex was sought after by other teams

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22 minutes ago, TJ said:

There are definitely posters who would prefer he fail so they can be right.   I prefer to see him play for a while with a decent team before I label him a bust 👤 

So you don't want to judge him either way before knowing if he can play, you are afraid to be right or wrong.  The jets had to judge him on draft day, that is when fans should judge the pick as well and live with their call, right or wrong.  If this guy becomes a good NFL QB feel free to quote any and all of my negative posts.

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5 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

 

This is undoubtedly in reference to the erections he gets in the team shower. They've grown in size and frequency since he first got here.

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Chris Lopresti @CLoprestiWFAN

Hackenberg says this week is the first time all season he's taken any reps with 1st team O. Anything prior was running scout team.

Hackenberg also said he feels it was made clear to him that the organization preferred this to be a full redshirt season for him.

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I just don't see what hackenburg has gotten out of this season at all to be honest.

He is supposedly a smart guy and a quick study so the playbook is not a big deal.  He has gotten almost no meaningful practice reps.  Has not dressed for a single game until this one.  They have not worked on his mechanics at all.

If the Jets had been working diligently with him all year on mechanics changes to improve accuracy and had him at least as the #3 guy for most of the year he might be getting something out of this.

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2 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I just don't see what hackenburg has gotten out of this season at all to be honest.

He is supposedly a smart guy and a quick study so the playbook is not a big deal.  He has gotten almost no meaningful practice reps.  Has not dressed for a single game until this one.  They have not worked on his mechanics at all.

If the Jets had been working diligently with him all year on mechanics changes to improve accuracy and had him at least as the #3 guy for most of the year he might be getting something out of this.

Wasn't Gailey the only one who said they weren't working with him? I know Ryan Fitzpatrick had an awful season but he could help with mechanics 

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2 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

So you don't want to judge him either way before knowing if he can play, you are afraid to be right or wrong.  The jets had to judge him on draft day, that is when fans should judge the pick as well and live with their call, right or wrong.  If this guy becomes a good NFL QB feel free to quote any and all of my negative posts.

I'm not afraid to be right or wrong.   I have nothing to judge him on.   I didn't get to see Hack in his first year at PS.   After the rave reviews he got,  I started watching some Penn State games,  just see him.   Out of all the times I tuned in,  I never once saw anything impressive.   When Mac picked him,  I was intrigued but not angry  Some posters are on a mission to label this kid the worst football player in history without him taking a single snap.   I'm not doing that and I wasn't singling you out with my original post.   I'm not an "I told you so"  type of guy,  so I won't be quoting any of your posts if he pans out

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1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Wasn't Gailey the only one who said they weren't working with him? I know Ryan Fitzpatrick had an awful season but he could help with mechanics 

This is part of a big problem with the Jets, a real disconnect between gm and coaches.  I bet MacCagnan after drafting this guy would have preferred if the coaches treated him like a big part of this teams future and that he should have been a priority coaching wise this year even if not playing.  It seems the jets coaching staff felt like they had too much on the plate, 3 other QB's in front of him and just tossed him aside lock stock and barrell all year.

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Just now, Beerfish said:

This is part of a big problem with the Jets, a real disconnect between gm and coaches.  I bet MacCagnan after drafting this guy would have preferred if the coaches treated him like a big part of this teams future and that he should have been a priority coaching wise this year even if not playing.  It seems the jets coaching staff felt like they had too much on the plate, 3 other QB's in front of him and just tossed him aside lock stock and barrell all year.

I agree but it all starts at the top. 

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3 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I just don't see what hackenburg has gotten out of this season at all to be honest.

He is supposedly a smart guy and a quick study so the playbook is not a big deal.  He has gotten almost no meaningful practice reps.  Has not dressed for a single game until this one.  They have not worked on his mechanics at all.

If the Jets had been working diligently with him all year on mechanics changes to improve accuracy and had him at least as the #3 guy for most of the year he might be getting something out of this.

That's you.  None of us know what he has or hasn't done Monday - Saturday every week

At the very least he got to sit back and observe how the NY media is and what his responsibilities will be with them. That alone is worth something. Other than Eli, no other NFL QB has to deal with 30 media members everyday wanting some comment. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I just don't see what hackenburg has gotten out of this season at all to be honest.

He is supposedly a smart guy and a quick study so the playbook is not a big deal.  He has gotten almost no meaningful practice reps.  Has not dressed for a single game until this one.  They have not worked on his mechanics at all.

If the Jets had been working diligently with him all year on mechanics changes to improve accuracy and had him at least as the #3 guy for most of the year he might be getting something out of this.

And that right there is the whole problem isn't it .  Does it matter what you see or what the coaching staff see . They told us Petty wasn't ready, but we had to see for our selves. We saw, and we still don't believe our lying eyes .

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3 minutes ago, TJ said:

I'm not afraid to be right or wrong.   I have nothing to judge him on.   I didn't get to see Hack in his first year at PS.   After the rave reviews he got,  I started watching some Penn State games,  just see him.   Out of all the times I tuned in,  I never once saw anything impressive.   When Mac picked him,  I was intrigued but not angry  Some posters are on a mission to label this kid the worst football player in history without him taking a single snap.   I'm not doing that and I wasn't singling you out with my original post.   I'm not an "I told you so"  type of guy,  so I won't be quoting any of your posts if he pans out

What good is it to judge a guy after you know about him?  Hey Gholston was a terrible pick!

The jets front office judge him on  draft day, nothing wrong with the fan base making judgments on the pick.  And for the record the vast majoity of people that don;t like Hack are not so much against him as a player or the jets taking a chance on him.  they are aghast that we used a 2nd round pick on a long shot prospect who should have been a 6th rounder considering all the issues he has.

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2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

I agree but it all starts at the top. 

I agree with that.  Our football set up, coach and gm being independent and both reporting to the owner and being on an equal footing is dumb

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2 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

This is part of a big problem with the Jets, a real disconnect between gm and coaches.  I bet MacCagnan after drafting this guy would have preferred if the coaches treated him like a big part of this teams future and that he should have been a priority coaching wise this year even if not playing.  It seems the jets coaching staff felt like they had too much on the plate, 3 other QB's in front of him and just tossed him aside lock stock and barrell all year.

And you know this?  They all (Mcc, Bowles, Gailey, QB Coach) worked him out privately before the draft, had lunch with him.  Mcc said after the pick (and to Hack) they would invest the time in him. Can we all slow down and say this has been a total waste of a year in his development.. Good lawd.

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3 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

And that right there is the whole problem isn't it .  Does it matter what you see or what the coaching staff see . They told us Petty wasn't ready, but we had to see for our selves. We saw, and we still don't believe our lying eyes .

What is important to you as far as qb development is concerned?

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1 minute ago, C Mart said:

And you know this?  They all (Mcc, Bowles, Gailey, QB Coach) worked him out privately before the draft, had lunch with him.  Mcc said after the pick (and to Hack) they would invest the time in him. Can we all slow down and say this has been a total waste of a year in his development.. Good lawd.

I ask you the same Q I just asked Tinstar, what is important to you as far as qb development goes?

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3 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

What is important to you as far as qb development is concerned?

Growth in the following areas .

Knowing the play book

Knowing where to go with the football

learning your teammates likes and dislikes

learning how to deal with the media

Improving your strength and conditioning  .

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Before the pick was announced on TV, Maccagnan told Hackenberg over the phone that the organization was determined to “help you achieve your potential.”

“We’re really excited about adding you to this organization,” Maccagnan said, courtesy of a video posted on the Jets’ official Instagram page. “And we think you have a bright future and we’re going to invest some time in you.”

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/nfl-draft-christian-hackenberg-selected-by-jets-with-no-51-pick-1.11746030

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11 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I ask you the same Q I just asked Tinstar, what is important to you as far as qb development goes?

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just for the heck of it another read

How the Jets Landed Christian Hackenberg    

Fri May. 6, 2016     

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. — In late March, NFL agent Rich Rosa fielded a call from the Jets about setting up a workout with his client, Christian Hackenberg, the polarizing quarterback from Penn State. But the team had one non-negotiable condition: it would have to remain absolutely secret.

“The word that comes to mind is intensity, just the level of intensity that they wanted to make sure it was kept extremely quiet and that nobody knew it was going to happen,” says Noel LaMontagne, Rosa’s business partner at Compass Sports Advisors.

Mired in a contract stalemate with Ryan Fitzpatrick, the Jets’ front office didn’t want the New York media to anoint Hackenberg as the franchise’s lifeline. On April 10, two weeks after the initial call, general manager Mike Maccagnan, head coach Todd Bowles, offensive coordinator Chan Gailey, quarterbacks coach Kevin Patullo, and two scouts drove to State College to conduct the workout at Penn State’s indoor football facility. The Jets delegation worked out the young quarterback for an hour, testing him on the aspects of the pro-style offense that weren’t a part of the Nittany Lions’ shotgun spread offense for the past two seasons.

One of the criticisms of Hackenberg is that he can’t make quick throws under pressure. So Jets coaches sped things up and put him through quick-release passing drills. They tested to see if he could throw off balance, watched his footwork closely, and put him in scenarios that they hadn’t seen on his game film. “It was about getting a really good feel for the way they are going to coach me going forward,” Hackenberg says.

After the workout, the group grabbed an early lunch at Happy Valley Brewery, a popular spot in State College. Rosa and LaMontagne had suggested the group stay at Penn State’s facility, where they could remain completely private, but the Jets risked the possibility of being seen with Hackenberg in public. “They said, ‘No, we want him in a natural setting. We want to see him in football, but we want to see him as a person, too,’ ” LaMontagne says. Hackenberg made easy conversation with Gailey about the Masters, which was playing out on the bar’s TVs. (Gailey is an avid golfer; Hackenberg is just picking up the game.) Because it was early for lunch on a Sunday, the Jets coaches went unnoticed at the restaurant. 

The pressing need for this trip to Penn State was to spend quality time with Hackenberg, and to settle the controversy of his up-and-down college career. As a true freshman, Hackenberg mastered Bill O’Brien’s pro-style offense. But after O’Brien left to coach the Texans, Hackenberg struggled with accuracy in Franklin’s shotgun system, throwing more interceptions (15) than touchdowns (12) as a sophomore, and finishing with a 53.5% completion rate his junior year in 2015.

As part of the evaluation process, Bowles wanted to hear Hackenberg explain his challenges with the coaching change, in order put to rest any concerns about his coachability. “I definitely needed to hear from him and hear what his thought process was and how he went through changing cultures and different coordinators in a system,” Bowles says. “He was forthright with everything, he understood that he has things he needs to work on, he acknowledged the coaching changes and he tried to do well in both systems. He admitted that he had some bad games but he also had some very good games, so I was very impressed with the way he presented himself.”

O’Brien, who remains close with Hackenberg, says the Texans also gave his former charge a high draft grade. “Christian is big and strong and throws a good football,” O’Brien says. “He's shown the ability to overcome adversity. It's hard to evaluate his career. There was a coaching change, and he had to adapt. Now, I watched a lot of his film [from 2014 and 2015], and I saw some bad plays, like people talk about. But I saw a lot of good plays too. We had him evaluated as a really good quarterback prospect.”

Hackenberg also worked out for Philadelphia, Cleveland, Washington and Dallas. The Eagles were the only other team that kept its workout under wraps to the degree that New York did. “It was more than what you would normally experience from your average, everyday pre-draft workout,” LaMontagne says. “You can never read too much into that stuff, because there are always the smoke screens and the games that are being played for the right [draft] position, but sometimes things just feel a little bit different. And there were plenty of red flags, or green flags, depending on your perspective.”

According to Rosa, Hackenberg’s stock began to rise about two weeks before the draft. “The last couple of weeks he really gained momentum, because the more he got in front of teams, whether it be a private workout or a visit, they got to see how much he loves football and the passion he has for it,” he said. “He is a tough kid and he took a beating the last two years and it never fazed him.”

Three days after the workout at Penn State, Hackenberg visited the Jets facility in Florham Park, N.J. “I had a very productive conversation with Mike [Maccagnan] after his workout and they felt very strongly about him as a player and his development,” Rosa said. And Hackenberg himself thought the workout and visit went smoothly. “I had a really good vibe coming from the Jets,” he said.

When the Texans traded up two spots to jump ahead of the Jets to pick at No. 50, New York management held their breath. Was this an O’Brien play to rekindle the flame with his one-season-sensation? “The thought did cross our mind,” Maccagnan said Friday night after the second and third rounds wrapped up.

Meanwhile, at home in Palmyra, Virginia, Hackenberg thought it was Houston calling him at 8:45 p.m. Hackenberg was in his backyard playing a game of cornhole with his private quarterback coach Jordan Palmer (Carson Palmer’s younger brother) and LaMontagne, when his mom ran out the back door and whistled for her son to come inside and pick up his phone. “We walked up the steps of the deck behind him and we’re thinking that he is going to Houston,” LaMontagne says. “He is going to be a Texan, this is awesome, he’s back with Bill. And then Houston ends up picking a center and Jordan and I look at each other and simultaneously, we’re like what the f-- , what just happened? Are we witnessing a Mohamed Sanu moment here?”

Drafted by Cincinnati in the third round of the 2012 draft, current Falcons receiver Sanu was the target of a practical joke in the first round. As the Bengals were getting ready to make the 27th pick, Sanu received a phone call. It was a prank caller pretending to be Cincinnati personnel welcoming him to the team. Sanu, his family and his agents all fell for it. But Hackenberg wasn’t the butt of a joke; the Jets were on the line. Unsettled at quarterback, it wasn’t surprising that New York drafted their ninth quarterback in the past 11 years, a league-high and their fourth for a fourth straight year. But Maccagnan refused to acknowledge the obvious implications of the message sent by spending a valuable second-round pick on the most heavily scrutinized quarterback of this draft. “I wouldn’t classify him [as a starter or as a developmental quarterback],” he said. “Every player you take you would like to think they will be a starter. Even if you take a right guard in the second round, you still are going to have the same intention that you think he could be a starting-caliber player. I don’t think there is a standard that you have to fall into.”

AFC East rival Buffalo expressed as much interest in Hackenberg as the Jets did, Rosa said. Though the Bills didn’t work him out privately, they attended Penn State’s pro day and remained interested in Hackenberg throughout the process. Buffalo wanted to pick a quarterback, but weren’t willing to use a high pick on the position. The Bills ended up making their quarterback pick in the fourth round (Cardale Jones).

With the addition of Hackenberg, the Jets now have three backup quarterbacks, including Geno Smith and 2015 fourth-round selection Bryce Petty. But no starter. The team has drawn a line in the sand with Ryan Fitzpatrick’s contract, and although Maccagnan has insisted that drafting Hackenberg does not affect the team’s goal to resign Fitzpatrick, the underlying message is clear: Fitzpatrick is a bridge, and Hackenberg is waiting in the wings.

Since taking over before the 2015 season, Maccagnan has balanced his strategy between winning now and building for the future. Even though the Jets GM has made big free-agent signings (Darrelle Revis, Matt Forte), the Hackenberg pick proves this front office doesn’t view their current roster as an immediate Super Bowl contender. If they did, they wouldn’t have spent a second-round pick on a quarterback and they’d be willing to devote significant money to Fitzpatrick’s contract.

Maccagnan has a best-player-available draft philosophy, and at No. 51, Hackenberg was in the highest-rated group still on the Jets draft board—a prospect whom the decision-makers viewed, for all his flaws, as a solid kid with a high ceiling. The Jets weren’t locked in at the quarterback position with their second-round choice, but of those players rated highest, Hackenberg had the most potential.

There is a learning curve,” Bowles said. “When we picked Leonard [Williams] last year, we had Mo [Wilkerson], Sheldon [Richardson] and Snacks [Harrison]. We knew he wasn’t going to come in and start right away. It’s no different this year. We picked the best player at the spot and it just happened to be a quarterback.”

Gailey will be charged with helping Hackenberg reach his “high ceiling’ and O’Brien thinks he’s in good hands to do that. “It's a great spot for him,” O’Brien says. “I coached for Gailey one year at Georgia Tech, and that's a perfect coach for him to learn from. Chan's a very patient guy. Good teacher.”

With the Hackenberg pick, the Jets’ quarterback situation is now even more unsettled. But one thing is certain: Of the four quarterbacks, only one has a guaranteed spot on the 2016 roster, and that’s Hackenberg. 

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/05/06/

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Hmmm...Sounds familiar...I'm sure this will disappoint many here.

Chris Lopresti @CLoprestiWFAN   

Hack hinted at some minor mechanical tweaks he's made throughout the season but anything major would take place in the offseason.

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53 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

Growth in the following areas .

Knowing the play book

Knowing where to go with the football

learning your teammates likes and dislikes

learning how to deal with the media

Improving your strength and conditioning  .

Always remembering to bring orange slices

Being a role model for kids in the community

Making sure that uniform is always nice and spiffy for game days

mastering Powerpoint

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On 12/27/2016 at 3:38 PM, dbatesman said:

It wasn't a bad game. It was a world-historically awful game. He had less than 2 YPA and a pick six against guys who were loading trucks a week later.

Hey man, loading trucks requires a lot of hustle. 

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Reality means nothing to some Cmart

They want blood




I think you're way off base. At least as far as I'm concerned. I'm with you, Hack needs time. It's the only scenario where he will succeed. I want to give him that time. If we draft a QB this year with our first pick Hack will have all the time in the world sitting behind him.


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Just now, Snell41 said:

 


I think you're way off base. At least as far as I'm concerned. I'm with you, Hack needs time. 

 

Maybe 20-30 years

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1 hour ago, TJ said:

   I have nothing to judge him on.  

How not to play quarterback

by

Christian Hacknberg

 

 

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53 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Always remembering to bring orange slices

Being a role model for kids in the community

Making sure that uniform is always nice and spiffy for game days

mastering Powerpoint

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/2e/61/51/2e6151f3a98febc8fefa65f50ffcab22.jpg

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On 12/27/2016 at 2:49 PM, bitonti said:

seriously. as sh*tty as Hack has been he could have been a 7th round pick or undrafted. The Jets outbid themselves for a scrub no one else wanted. 

Never liked Hackenberg and would never have drafted him in the 2nd. This is a big guy who played soft in college. Could you imagine him in the NFL. Than he threw his head coach under the bus.

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3 hours ago, C Mart said:

And you know this?  They all (Mcc, Bowles, Gailey, QB Coach) worked him out privately before the draft, had lunch with him.  Mcc said after the pick (and to Hack) they would invest the time in him. Can we all slow down w/the talk that this has been a total waste of a year in his development.. Good lawd.

 

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