"He's not an NFL Quarterback. It's just that simple"

[Gas2No99]

9 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

STUPIDLY PLAYING SANCHEZ IN A PRESEASON GAME WHICH LED TO HIS INJURY & THUS 

Drafting THRUSTING Geno INTO THE STARTER WHICH HE WASN"T READY FOR led to trading for Fitz and drafting Petty and drafting Hack. So yes. Drafting Geno set this team back at least five years. 

I have no problem with the Jets trying to find their franchise QB. Everyone wants that and no one is arguing against it. I'm simply saying that Hack ain't the guy. And believing he is just sets this team back further. The Jets would have been better off drafting a different position than QB in the 2nd round last year. 

Get the facts and chronology straight.

HACK sits BECAUSE we SAW what happens when you rush a neophyte QB who ISN'T READY or ACCLIMATED to the Pro game. 

[C Mart]

Just now, Gas2No99 said:

Get the facts and chronology straight.

HACK sits BECAUSE we SAW what happens when you rush a neophyte QB who ISN'T READY or ACCLIMATED to the Pro game. 

I'd also add Mcc saw first hand how David Carr was rushed when he and his team weren't ready and got the snot beat out of him never to recover.  

[NoBowles]

13 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

If that's the plan all along to draft a bad college QB to not see a snap or get better then it could have been accomplished in the 6th or 7th round. You act as if this some huge revelation. The Jets have continuously missed on QBs. This is just another one. 

Your not getting a QB with Hackenbergs upside in the 6th or 7th round. You can argue the 2nd was too high. But he was not lasting that long. 

[CrazyCarl40]

4 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

Its easy to say he's not the one, odds are certainly in your favor.  But without proof there is still hope. 

There may not be proof yet, but there plenty of hints that say I'm right. We'll see. Not worth discussing until 2019 probably. That's how far away he seems. 

[CrazyCarl40]

Just now, NoBowles said:

Your not getting a QB with Hackenbergs upside in the 6th or 7th round. You can argue the 2nd was too high. But he was not lasting that long. 

I didn't say he'd last that long or that you'd get someone with his "upside" in that round. But for what they actually got out of him in 2016 they could have drafted you or I for all that mattered and got a player who could have you know, played this season. 

[56mehl56]

2 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

There may not be proof yet, but there plenty of hints that say I'm right. We'll see. Not worth discussing until 2019 probably. That's how far away he seems. 

To many it seemed Fitz was the best QB to enter 2016 .  Things aren't always what they seem.

[RutgersJetFan]

3 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

There may not be proof yet, but there plenty of hints that say I'm right. We'll see. Not worth discussing until 2019 probably. That's how far away he seems. 

Yeah, but they're subtle. Like the fact that he's not even good enough to put on pads, that's not something you'd pick up on if the camera didn't pan over to him when he was standing on the sideline with his dick in his hands.

[CrazyCarl40]

Just now, 56mehl56 said:

To many it seemed Fitz was the best QB to enter 2016 .  Things aren't always what they seem.

He was. And Gailey admitted they've barely worked with Hack. Which means if they get to him this offseason and try to fix all that's wrong with him, he still won't be ready until 2019 because he won't get the time and reps he needs. That's especially true if Bowles gets brought back and his objective is winning. I'm all for beefing up the line, fixing the secondary and forgoing any of the retread QB options to give Hack a look next season. My job is not on the line though. That will play a factor. 

[NoBowles]

1 minute ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

I didn't say he'd last that long or that you'd get someone with his "upside" in that round. But for what they actually got out of him in 2016 they could have drafted you or I for all that mattered and got a player who could have you know, played this season. 

Your beef is with the player,should not be with the process. And that's fine, odds are your right about Hack. But at the end of the day, until you have a QB, you need to do everything in your power to get one. I don't care if they draft 2 per year until they get one, but just get one.

By all accounts, drafting Hack last year is not going to prevent them from signing or drafting another one this year. We FINALLY have a GM that actually gets this. If it takes 3-4 guys but he finally finds one, I don't give a flying Geno what we did or didn't get out of 2016. 

[greenwave81]

1 minute ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

I didn't say he'd last that long or that you'd get someone with his "upside" in that round. But for what they actually got out of him in 2016 they could have drafted you or I for all that mattered and got a player who could have you know, played this season. 

Again, YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT HERE.

Maybe, just maybe, what the Macc expected out of Hackenberg this 2016 season was NOTHING.  You disagree this was wise or smart...we get it.

But, that says NOTHING as to what Hack may be down the line...and in this thread you have brow beat Hack over his 'lack of progression' where he may have met all expectations of the team to date moreso than the HC/GM who made the decision to draft Hack with this idea in the first place.

If you want to say drafting a 2nd rd QB and letting him sit is asinine, I may not agree but I'm not gonna argue about it.  But to say that it's proof that Hack sucks since he couldn't beat out the other 3 schlubs is similarly asinine if the NY Jets coaching staff et al didn't even give him the opportunity or expectation to do so.

 

[CrazyCarl40]

2 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Yeah, but they're subtle. Like the fact that he's not even good enough to put on pads, that's not something you'd pick up on if the camera didn't pan over to him when he was standing on the sideline with his dick in his hands.

Lots of QBs complete 53% of their passes in college. Just like lots of people go to college for 7 years. 

[Freemanm]

5 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

Both picks speak volumes about Macc neither helped the Jets at all this season or last season. 

Wait, last season, Devin Smith let what would have been the game winning TD pass slip through his fingers on a pass that my four-year-old son could have caught! He at least put himself in a position to be a game changer! 

Unfortunately, that's the only thing about Devin Smith I can remember. Is he even on the roster?

[C Mart]

14 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

There may not be proof yet, but there plenty of hints that say I'm right. We'll see. Not worth discussing until 2019 probably. That's how far away he seems. 

What hints? The Jets said from draft day (and told Hack too) they were going to take their time with him  

But keep hoping that you're  right because we all know that will be soooo great for the Jets franchise. 

Christ. So many Jets fans deserve to live in their misery. 

[CrazyCarl40]

1 minute ago, greenwave81 said:

Again, YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT HERE.

Maybe, just maybe, what the Macc expected out of Hackenberg this 2016 season was NOTHING.  You disagree this was wise or smart...we get it.

But, that says NOTHING as to what Hack may be down the line...and in this thread you have brow beat Hack over his 'lack of progression' where he may have met all expectations of the team to date moreso than the HC/GM who made the decision to draft Hack with this idea in the first place.

If you want to say drafting a 2nd rd QB and letting him sit is asinine, I may not agree but I'm not gonna argue about it.  But to say that it's proof that Hack sucks since he couldn't beat out the other 3 schlubs is similarly asinine if the NY Jets coaching staff et al didn't even give him the opportunity or expectation to do so.

 

Hack was bad in college, bad in the preaseason, and wouldn't be anything better than 4th string on this terrible team if it weren't for injuries. You don't get that there is much more evidence of him being terrible outside of anecdotal. There is video proof. There are scouting reports. I don't care he can't beat out broken shoulder Petty for scout team reps. I care he can't complete 60% of his passes in the Big Ten. I care he can't complete passes at the combine against air. I care that he couldn't complete passes against 5th stringers in the preseason. You should too. 

[RutgersJetFan]

2 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Lots of QBs complete 53% of their passes in college. Just like lots of people go to college for 7 years. 

Look, you're not getting a quarterback that can't play football anywhere after the second round pal. You're just not.

[C Mart]

10 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

I didn't say he'd last that long or that you'd get someone with his "upside" in that round. But for what they actually got out of him in 2016 they could have drafted you or I for all that mattered and got a player who could have you know, played this season. 

If he turns into the Jets QB for 10+ seasons who the hell cares when he was taken and that he sat out his rookie year. 

[CrazyCarl40]

1 minute ago, C Mart said:

What hints? The Jets said from draft day (and told Hack too) they were going to take their time with him  

But keeping hoping that your right because we all know that will be soooo great for the Jets franchise. 

Christ. So many Jets fans deserve to live in their misery. 

I hope I'm wrong. I want the Jets to succeed. I also hoped I was wrong about Sanchez. I also hoped I was wrong about Geno. Wanting the Jets to be successful but also being realistic and critical of how they do it is perfectly normal. There's no need to fellate a teams every move because I support them. It just doesn't work that way. 

[CrazyCarl40]

2 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Look, you're not getting a quarterback that can't play football anywhere after the second round pal. You're just not.

Hack has upside but only in the upside down. 

[greenwave81]

3 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Hack was bad in college, bad in the preaseason, and wouldn't be anything better than 4th string on this terrible team if it weren't for injuries. You don't get that there is much more evidence of him being terrible outside of anecdotal. There is video proof. There are scouting reports. I don't care he can't beat out broken shoulder Petty for scout team reps. I care he can't complete 60% of his passes in the Big Ten. I care he can't complete passes at the combine against air. I care that he couldn't complete passes against 5th stringers in the preseason. You should too. 

 

[C Mart]

Just now, CrazyCarl40 said:

I hope I'm wrong. I want the Jets to succeed. I also hoped I was wrong about Sanchez. I also hoped I was wrong about Geno. Wanting the Jets to be successful but also being realistic and critical of how they do it is perfectly normal. There's no need to fellate a teams every move because I support them. It just doesn't work that way. 

And playing Sanchez & Geno their rookie seasons didn't work either. 

[cant wait]

Hackenberg had a full season to absorb what the pro game is like. The offseason needs to be 100% about fixing his footwork now. Let's take a deep breath and give him until TC to show some improvements

[CrazyCarl40]

6 minutes ago, greenwave81 said:

 

Hackenberg produced a stat line that is hard to believe. He completed 11-of-31 passes for 54 yards. It's almost impossible for an NFL quarterback to have less than 2 yards per attempt in a game (especially going against a defense sitting all its starters in a preseason finale), but Hackenberg did it.

[CrazyCarl40]

Just now, cant wait said:

Hackenberg had a full season to absorb what the pro game is like. The offseason needs to be 100% about fixing his footwork now. Let's take a deep breath and give him until TC to show some improvements

I'm willing to do just that. Do you think this coach is given that his job is on the line? If a new coach is brought in do you think he'll look twice at a guy like Hack?

[Obrien2Toon]

6 hours ago, peebag said:

We should've drafted Paxton Lynch....he's doing so much better.

Lol, yeah, where did all those morons go.

They actually think Hack has some potential, they don't want to mess with his psyche when he's not ready on a team that has given up.

[56mehl56]

12 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

I hope I'm wrong. I want the Jets to succeed. I also hoped I was wrong about Sanchez. I also hoped I was wrong about Geno. Wanting the Jets to be successful but also being realistic and critical of how they do it is perfectly normal. There's no need to fellate a teams every move because I support them. It just doesn't work that way. 

Being realistic is different form telling the world Hack is a bust without tangible proof. We're all Jet fans we're all fearing the worst but hoping for the best. 

[Larz]

37 minutes ago, greenwave81 said:

 

that was also the game where I declared the jets defense was so good they might be historically good

[Gas2No99]

17 minutes ago, greenwave81 said:

 

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POSTING THAT. I felt I was the ONLY person who recalled that solid drive against the Giants. AND YES! He IS playing VS. Camp body SCRUBS and you can SEE HE's LIGHT YEARS ahead of them.

You saw what the kid is capable of doing IF he has time/protection. He looked COMFORTABLE & relaxed w/no rush and MADE his progressions accordingly. The throws had some velocity and the deeper passes were rather on target. His short throws ARE ATROCIOUS and concerning, but that's why there are valid detractors here; he MUST fix that. The penultimate pass to the 2nd progression read to Anderson before the TD shows he can scan and ZIP it in there. His footwork is crap. Then he was garbage in the 4th game. It happens, it was one game.

I don't love the guy nor do I hate him w/the vitriol some others here spew at him, but it's clear as others posted: Kid has some good and bad but the FO is NOT going to rush him, they don't want compromise/stunt the growth of a FUTURE asset at THE PREMIUM position. They're going to groom him accordingly and BUILD a better team around him JUST as he should be ripening as a pro from a "mental" point in 1-2 years' time. If Mac hits on the young RT Shell, the rookie WRs trio, ASJ as a nice safety valve target, and CONTINUES to primarily invest in OL and RB to FURTHER compliment and develop the offense, then it's not that bad of a YOUNG CHEAP offensive base to grow and develop ALONG with Hack, IF Mac HITS on his picks. That's where the PRESSURE falls on him. 

I believe Mac has a plan in place in terms of stocking talent to properly rebuild the Jets through the draft, but it will take time. If he hits on a kid that develops into THE GUY for 12+ years, will people STILL really bitch about WHERE the selection was made. It takes time to bake a cake. If we hit snake-eyes, he'll just join the lore of Geno and Kellen Clemens, yet with out the PRICE paid for a guy like Sanchez. 

 

Just my 2¢

[Tinstar]

7 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said:

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POSTING THAT. I felt I was the ONLY person who recalled that solid drive against the Giants. AND YES! He IS playing VS. Camp body SCRUBS and you can SEE HE's LIGHT YEARS ahead of them.

You saw what the kid is capable of doing IF he has time/protection. He looked COMFORTABLE & relaxed w/no rush and MADE his progressions accordingly. The throws had some velocity and the deeper passes were rather on target. His short throws ARE ATROCIOUS and concerning, but that's why there are valid detractors here; he MUST fix that. The penultimate pass to the 2nd progression read to Anderson before the TD shows he can scan and ZIP it in there. His footwork is crap. Then he was garbage in the 4th game. It happens, it was one game.

I don't love the guy nor do I hate him w/the vitriol some others here spew at him, but it's clear as others posted: Kid has some good and bad but the FO is NOT going to rush him, they don't want compromise/stunt the growth of a FUTURE asset at THE PREMIUM position. They're going to groom him accordingly and BUILD a better team around him JUST as he should be ripening as a pro from a "mental" point in 1-2 years' time. If Mac hits on the young RT Shell, the rookie WRs trio, ASJ as a nice safety valve target, and CONTINUES to primarily invest in OL and RB to FURTHER compliment and develop the offense, then it's not that bad of a YOUNG CHEAP offensive base to grow and develop ALONG with Hack, IF Mac HITS on his picks. That's where the PRESSURE falls on him. 

I believe Mac has a plan in place in terms of stocking talent to properly rebuild the Jets through the draft, but it will take time. If he hits on a kid that develops into THE GUY for 12+ years, will people STILL really bitch about WHERE the selection was made. It takes time to bake a cake. If we hit snake-eyes, he'll just join the lore of Geno and Kellen Clemens, yet with out the PRICE paid for a guy like Sanchez. 

 

Just my 2¢

You take that game, and then the next game against the eagles  and that's why I say this kid reminds me of Eli Manning . One minute he looks like Johnny U, and the next he looks like he never played the game before. That's a flaw that can be fixed, but it takes time, reps and patience . 

[Jetster]

1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

There may not be proof yet, but there plenty of hints that say I'm right. We'll see. Not worth discussing until 2019 probably. That's how far away he seems. 

Well, he'd still be younger than when Aaron Rogers got his 1st start.

[CrazyCarl40]

6 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Well, he'd still be younger than when Aaron Rogers got his 1st start.

Aaron Rodgers completed well over 60% of his passes his final year in college. Hack completed 53%. Lets not compare the two. 

[Beerfish]

Yeah he was great in the ex season....

37.5% comp and a rating of 55 in game one

35.5% comp and a rating of 30.7 in game two.

 

The thing is, in this discussion all of the defenders of Hackenburg are providing the ammo as to why it was an AWFUL pick in the 2nd round.

He is too young, he was messed up in college, he needs a total rework of his mechanics all reasons as to why he should not be playing now, also all reason you don't draft the kid in the 2nd round with so many questions,

 

Here is my question, what do you all expect from this player next year?

[TuscanyTile2]

6 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Yeah he was great in the ex season....

37.5% comp and a rating of 55 in game one

35.5% comp and a rating of 30.7 in game two.

 

The thing is, in this discussion all of the defenders of Hackenburg are providing the ammo as to why it was an AWFUL pick in the 2nd round.

He is too young, he was messed up in college, he needs a total rework of his mechanics all reasons as to why he should not be playing now, also all reason you don't draft the kid in the 2nd round with so many questions,

 

Here is my question, what do you all expect from this player next year?

It's a great question.  Do the Jets expect him to be "fixed" by opening day next year?  Or is he going to require a 2nd year of red shirting before we get to see him play in year 3?  If the latter then that is quite an investment of time an resources for a 2nd rounder.

 

[pdxgreen]

Damn.  This organization is a dumpster fire.  Even guys who have never suited up get torn apart.

[Tinstar]

13 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Yeah he was great in the ex season....

37.5% comp and a rating of 55 in game one

35.5% comp and a rating of 30.7 in game two.

 

The thing is, in this discussion all of the defenders of Hackenburg are providing the ammo as to why it was an AWFUL pick in the 2nd round.

He is too young, he was messed up in college, he needs a total rework of his mechanics all reasons as to why he should not be playing now, also all reason you don't draft the kid in the 2nd round with so many questions,

 

Here is my question, what do you all expect from this player next year?

Improvement even if it's the smallest amount . I would like the Jets to find a QB who can get them a winning season so this regime can continue to develop this kid if they return next season . A change will mean a completely new scheme and regression . The new York Jets need to learn how to win while losing . We have mastered how to lose while losing, so why not try a different approach .

[Beerfish]

2 minutes ago, pdxgreen said:

Damn.  This organization is a dumpster fire.  Even guys who have never suited up get torn apart

That is the point right?  A 2nd round pick we that has never suited up this year and could very well not suit up next year meanwhile we have needs at many positions,