Mecca Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 8 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I think Idzik's demeanor in that presser did him in, so in that case, there were off the field circumstances. That being said, it was not fair to fire him after two years. And I think there are some who believe that No, it was completely fair. He was the Isiah Thomas of football GM's and is the real reason we're in such a bad position now. 2 Drafts Round 1: Pryor, Milliner, Sheldon Round 2: Geno, Amaro Round 3: Dexter McDougle, Brian Winters Round 4: Shaq Evans, Jalen Saunders Round 5: Oday Oboushi 2 NFL Starters, half this list is out of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecca Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: Look at the organizations that are firing head coaches after 1-2 years. Niners, Browns, Bills. Where are they now? In hell That's because they hire the wrong guys. Better owners make better hiring decisions. This is too complicated for you? Pettine, Chip, Rex... you hire sh*t, you fire sh*t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just now, Mecca said: That's because they hire the wrong guys. Better owners make better hiring decisions. This is too complicated for you? Because they can only get at the wrong guys because the good guys don't want to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just now, Mecca said: No, it was completely fair. He was the Isiah Thomas of football GM's and is the real reason we're in such a bad position now. 2 Drafts Round 1: Pryor, Milliner, Sheldon Round 2: Geno, Amaro Round 3: Dexter McDougle, Brian Winters Round 4: Shaq Evans, Jalen Saunders Round 5: Oday Oboushi 2 NFL Starters, half this list is out of the league. And despite all that, I've heard people that were uneasy with firing Idzik after 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecca Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: Because they can only get at the wrong guys because the good guys don't want to go there. The good guys don't go to bad teams because the talent/city sucks, not because the team fires people quickly. Quinn went to the Falcons because they had Matt Ryan, not because the Jets fired Idzik in 2 seasons. wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecca Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: And despite all that, I've heard people that were uneasy with firing Idzik after 2 years. Those people are almost as close minded as you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just now, Mecca said: The good guys don't go to bad teams because the talent/city sucks, not because the team fires people quickly. Quinn went to the Falcons because they had Matt Ryan, not because the Jets fired Idzik in 2 seasons. wow. That's a factor too. Quinn didn't come here because the Jets did not want to be left out in the cold after Quinn finished with Seattle and they hired Bowles first. Quinn went to the Falcons because that was left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecca Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: That's a factor too. Quinn didn't come here because the Jets did not want to be left out in the cold after Quinn finished with Seattle and they hired Bowles first Quinn was never coming here. One team had Geno Smith as their QB, the other had Matt Ryan and Julio Jones. talent rules all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mecca said: Quinn was never coming here. One team had Geno Smith as their QB, the other had Matt Ryan and Julio Jones. talent rules all. Talent is a factor, it does not rule all. It is a combination of talent, job security/pressure, city etc. The example of that is Parcells coming here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 20 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Did the Pats dump Belichick after one bad season in 2000 and failings with the Browns? Did the Pats dump Belichick after he failed with the Browns? I dunno... did they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecca Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Talent is a factor, it does not rule all. It is a combination of talent, job security/pressure, city etc. The example of that is Parcells coming here. The best coaches go to the most attractive destinations. The best destinations have the best talent/ownership. This isn't a difficult theory to grasp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 the simple fact is idzik, for all of his failings had roughly the same plan as mac. he wanted to clear out the dead wood and replace them with drafted players. idzik had two failings. the first was he couldn't evaluate the players. the second was that he created a toxic atmosphere with rex. woody probably could've tolerated the bad drafts. he could not tolerate the toxic atmosphere. no doubt rex had a hand in how idzik was perceived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecca Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just now, rangerous said: the simple fact is idzik, for all of his failings had roughly the same plan as mac. he wanted to clear out the dead wood and replace them with drafted players. idzik had two failings. the first was he couldn't evaluate the players. the second was that he created a toxic atmosphere with rex. woody probably could've tolerated the bad drafts. he could not tolerate the toxic atmosphere. no doubt rex had a hand in how idzik was perceived. Those drafts weren't just bad. They were putrid. Some of the worst drafting of the 21st century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just now, Mecca said: The best coaches go to the most attractive destinations. The best destinations have the best talent/ownership. This isn't a difficult theory to grasp. Oh yes I'm sure the 1-15 Jets had plenty of talent to attract people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just now, Mecca said: The best coaches go to the most attractive destinations. The best destinations have the best talent/ownership. This isn't a difficult theory to grasp. what isn't attractive about the jets? a coach can basically do no wrong here, at least for the first 2 or 3 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecca Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: Oh yes I'm sure the 1-15 Jets had plenty of talent to attract people Circumstances change if you give a coach more power. They let Parcells essentially be the GM with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just now, Mecca said: Circumstances change if you give a coach more power. They let Parcells essentially be the GM with us. Exactly. I don't see Woody doing that. That means there is a negative for a good coach coming here. Having a quick trigger finger is another negative factor. Whether it be GM or HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecca Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: Exactly. I don't see Woody doing that. That means there is a negative to a good coach coming here. So it's better to just keep the terrible coach we already have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just now, Mecca said: So it's better to just keep the terrible coach we already have? Unless they could have gotten a guy like Harbaugh, McCarthy, or another to come here, yes for one more season. Then dump Bowles and or Macc after next year and have a new front office with a great QB draft and a probably high draft pick BTW, you used Idzik as an example, GMs and HCs are usually on different time scales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 10 minutes ago, rangerous said: the simple fact is idzik, for all of his failings had roughly the same plan as mac. no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 minute ago, dbatesman said: no Right. In fact Idzik's plan failing, I think influenced Macc and his plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: Right. In fact Idzik's plan failing, I think influenced Macc and his plan I think the first question asked of all the GM candidates was "how are you going to spend all this money?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecca Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 21 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Unless they could have gotten a guy like Harbaugh, McCarthy, or another to come here, yes for one more season. Then dump Bowles and or Macc after next year and have a new front office with a great QB draft and a probably high draft pick BTW, you used Idzik as an example, GMs and HCs are usually on different time scales. McCarthy isn't good. Don't be fooled by his ring. O'Brien would be the best candidate on the market in a few years and he may be out in a week. McDaniels/Shanny/Patricia/Schwartz are the best coordinators in the game. This is the last year that they're going to be on the market. And GM's are normally given longer leashes than HC's. That's how bad Idzik was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just now, Mecca said: McCarthy isn't good. Don't be fooled by his ring. O'Brien would be the best candidate on the market in a few years and he may be out in a week. McDaniels/Shanny/Patricia/Schwartz are the best coordinators in the game. This is the last year that they're going to be on the market. McDaniels and Patricia aren't coming here. Loyalty to Belichick I dont think Schwartz would handle New York well. He got a little loose in Detroit. Shanny is interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecca Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: McDaniels and Patricia aren't coming here. Loyalty to Belichick I dont think Schwartz would handle New York well. He got a little loose in Detroit. Shanny is interesting. You can't make that assumption. Mangini left Bellicheck with the same 'loyalty.' Schwartz is the fiery leader that we need. Shanny is the best OC on the market and will be a hot hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen X Jet Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 What really rubs salt in the wound is the other HC candidate we were interested in has the Falcons as the #2 seed in the NFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwave81 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 I don't care about all this 'perception' crap...while most HC's get more than 2 yrs to state their case, to me that goes out the window after watching this Jets team this year which FAILED on EVERY level and included the HC losing the locker room weeks before the season mercifully ended. If you know the guy isn't 'the one', then can his butt and find a better candidate. Is it worse to fire someone after two years or to give some poor HC another season just to save 'face'? When every coordinator on your team deserves to be canned, that is a reflection of the HC IMO....he brought them all in here to begin with and his choices for replacements going forward are going to be worse next time around since everyone knows that in all likelihood Bowles will be fired next season. Do something right for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funaz Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 The Giants had 2 seasons like this in a row before they fired Coughlin. Who won them two super bowls. Bowles should be gone, but if the goal is to tank next year, let bowles stay and be the fall guySent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 5 hours ago, Mecca said: Those drafts weren't just bad. They were putrid. Some of the worst drafting of the 21st century. I debunked this myth I compared our 2013 and 2014 drafts to other teams around the league and our drafts weren't any better or worse than most teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Reasons? Jets saying they want to keep their stability---which they do NOT have now, and to maintain continuity. Who would want to continue this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 11 hours ago, Gen X Jet said: What really rubs salt in the wound is the other HC candidate we were interested in has the Falcons as the #2 seed in the NFC. And we/everybody were all laughing at him/them after year one. Nobody, here, there or anywhere knows sh*t. It goes from year to year. I'll say this one thing in Bowles's defense. One team had/has Matt Ryan and another had/has Ryan Fitzpatrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Had Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 11 hours ago, greenwave81 said: When every coordinator on your team deserves to be canned, that is a reflection of the HC IMO....he brought them all in here to begin with and his choices for replacements going forward are going to be worse next time around since everyone knows that in all likelihood Bowles will be fired next season. Do something right for a change. Just scrolled across the bottom on NFL net that the OC is on his way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Has anyone been fired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 you dont make change to make change but you do make change when what you have is not working-the jets gm is bad , their coach is bad and their players are bad-it is sad watching some say the gm is doing well, then others say the coaching is not good but the players are good then you watch the player suck what cant be disputed is the team is heading in the wrong direction, the players quit on the coach, the coach was terrible at coaching and did not hold his players accountable(very rex like but rex got his d to play) the jets will always be losers as losing starts with ownership The team is going to be terrible with no hope in sight-we have no plan and we NO STARTING QB either If I could get my money back on my psls I would be done-Woody if you are reading this feel free to write me a check for my psls as you did not fulfill your promise of putting a quality product out there for and their is no hope for the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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