Ex-Rex Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 15 hours ago, BigRy56 said: There's no way you trade the #6 pick for Sam Bradford. No way The Vikings HC has come out and said Bradford was his starter going into next season so that ends that conversation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 No thanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Ex-Rex said: The Vikings HC has come out and said Bradford was his starter going into next season so that ends that conversation. This. Plus, Bridgewater really may not ever be right again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 9 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Then you have Tyrod, Glennon, Cutler and Romo floating around. I would take Taylor or Cutler, not Glennon or Romo. Cutler would be interesting. He is a gunslinger that could be explosive with Robbie Anderson's speed. Taylor doesn't turn the ball over but doesn't make any offense explosive. Six of one half dozen of the other. Could have a QB - Cutler - who could throw 25-30 TD's but also have 15 ints. or a guy who throws 18-20 TD's with 10 ints or less. With the Jets run game, I think I would prefer Taylor and a play action type offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemusclyde Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 This is probably the dumbest thread I've read on Jetnation, and I've read some pretty dumb ones. The multiple people sh*tting on Bradford saying they wouldn't trade anything for him are retarded. Newsflash, Bradford isn't getting traded from the Vikings, he locked up that position playing behind a sh*tty o-line that was starting people off the street and with no running game, all in his first year with his ******* offensive coordinator retiring in the middle of it. Jets fans are freaking retarded, you have people on this board screaming for Glennon who's career completing rating is <60%, saying we should trade a 2nd rounder for him, but yet Bradford is trash? This is the guy who broke the NFL completion % record in his first ******* year on a new team with no o-line. The Jets front office would bend over backwards if they had any shot at getting him from the Vikings after this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 IMO Cutler would be a horrible choice. You have a bad team with a bad record and a bad attitude. We have trouble in the locker room and you want to add that lazy ****er? Are we trying to recreate the Bears? Cutler Forte and Marshall didn't have much success there when they were in their primes. Cutler would give a decent team a puncher's chance. We don't need one, don't deserve one and should be looking to the future, not for some miracle borderline playoff season with a dude that looks like he will be smoking on the sideline. I sure as sh*t wouldn't pay him and I am betting he is expecting to get paid. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 If we're supposedly rebuilding then how is bringing in Bradford making sense? Besides that Bridgewater may never be the same again so they're not letting Bradford go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 15 hours ago, deucebag said: Assuming Teddy B comes back healthy doesn't seem to make sense to keep both. I would offer the #1 pick for Bradford and a #2. If this is NOT a joke, the following should be considered: 1) Public ridicule and scorn 2) Permanent Ban 3) FBI search mission 4) Full array of charges 5) Life behind bars 6) Painful execution 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 1. Bradford is overrated 2. Bradford isn't good enough to make the playoffs let alone win a super bowl 3. Bridgewater might have to retire 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 16 hours ago, deucebag said: Assuming Teddy B comes back healthy doesn't seem to make sense to keep both. I would offer the #1 pick for Bradford and a #2. no f-ing way dude. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 14 hours ago, Jetster said: Brees wants 27-30 mill + every year. You can't can't have Brees & a defense. We already don't have a defense despite massive spending on that side of the ball. If we're going to allocate a lot of money to some part of the roster, it had better be QB and offensive line. Nowhere else. Tell Bowles the defensive genius to make it work with the talent he has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 10 hours ago, Jet Nut said: I am trying to come up with a team who would make that offer. SF? Jets? Cleveland? Remember you have a couple of QBs who may go 1st round. Wouldn't surprise me to see 3. Then you have Tyrod, Glennon, Cutler and Romo floating around. And FitZ, lol. Just not sure with other choices who goes for Taylor. Possibilities, even if they're planning on drafting a project in April: Jets Browns Bills (re-signing with more favorable terms) 49ers Denver Arizona Houston (however unlikely) Rams (if, internally, they view Goff as being that bad) Jacksonville (even if they keep Bortles this yr) Any playoff team whose starter sustains an injury over the next month I could see KC moving on from Alex Smith if he craps the bed and KC is 1 & done 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 2 hours ago, #27TheDominator said: IMO Cutler would be a horrible choice. You have a bad team with a bad record and a bad attitude. We have trouble in the locker room and you want to add that lazy ****er? Are we trying to recreate the Bears? Cutler Forte and Marshall didn't have much success there when they were in their primes. Cutler would give a decent team a puncher's chance. We don't need one, don't deserve one and should be looking to the future, not for some miracle borderline playoff season with a dude that looks like he will be smoking on the sideline. I sure as sh*t wouldn't pay him and I am betting he is expecting to get paid. Amen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 17 hours ago, BigRy56 said: M___ G_______ Let him have it Villain! lmao. Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blocker Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 17 hours ago, BigRy56 said: I don't even think I'd do it for Bradford and their first round pick.... he's nothing special by any stretch League leading completion percentage with essentially no running game in support is "nothing special"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I'd take cutler very easily over many other QBs. His bad attitude is overstated. He has perhaps the best arm in the league, he is very tough and stands in against a pass rush, he has been the victim of some of the most awful olines and defenses in the league for most of his career. Would he be a long term solution? No but at least he knows the league and has an arm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blocker Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 5 hours ago, jdeacon said: If Sam Bradford is available you have to go get him if you are Mac n Bowles. The guy would easily be the best qb we have had since number 4 graced us with his bs for 1 season. It would also play perfectly into giving Hack time to grow and develop on the bench. One thing that is clearly right about Bradford to the Jets, contracts and trade consideration aside, is that the timeline of his career fits with what the Jets need from a vet Qb. Not that counting on Hack developing is necessarily Plan A. But yeah at his age Bradford would cover the Jets in developing a future Qb. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blocker Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 3 hours ago, artemusclyde said: This is probably the dumbest thread I've read on Jetnation, and I've read some pretty dumb ones. The multiple people sh*tting on Bradford saying they wouldn't trade anything for him are retarded. Newsflash, Bradford isn't getting traded from the Vikings, he locked up that position playing behind a sh*tty o-line that was starting people off the street and with no running game, all in his first year with his ******* offensive coordinator retiring in the middle of it. Jets fans are freaking retarded, you have people on this board screaming for Glennon who's career completing rating is <60%, saying we should trade a 2nd rounder for him, but yet Bradford is trash? This is the guy who broke the NFL completion % record in his first ******* year on a new team with no o-line. The Jets front office would bend over backwards if they had any shot at getting him from the Vikings after this season. Totally agree. I don't get the hatred for Bradford. I have to assume it's coming from people who don't know what he actually did and dealt with this season. Someon actually compared his season to Bridgewater's with Peterson. too funny. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 18 hours ago, Smashmouth said: what's so horrible about Bradford ? The Vikings are no where near a good offense and Bradford put up pretty good numbers. There is a reason why teams (and there are plenty of them) don't want to pay for a guy like Glennon yet you keep pushing a guy who has not taken a snap in 2 years. Because Jets fans are simply "stats whoring". They look at 3,900 yards, 20 TD's and 5 ints and they suddenly call that an "excellent season". Well for Bradford thats indeed an excellent season. Pretty similar to Fitz excellent season last year. This is my problem with Bradford, he doesnt fit our players. He doesnt stretch the field. Now im not saying to go out and get a "gun slinger". We just had that in Fitz and guess what? He couldnt stretch the field even in his "excellent" season. We need a guy who can do both efficiently, and THIS is why I like Mike Glennon (back to Glennon in a minute). Bradford dumps the ball off as if his life freaking depends on it. His passes are glorified rushing plays most of the time. The dude threw the ball 552 times and couldnt crack 4,000 yards or throw more than 20 TD's? More specifically. This guy has multiple games where he threw the ball 28 times in a game and couldnt accumulate more than 171 passing yards, mind you, 1 game he completed 63% and the other 71%. How the hell do you throw that amount of passes at that high of a completion rate and you cant break past 171 passing yards? Its because he doesnt throw the ball down the field. Thats the answer. That's not going to help guys like Devin Smith Charone Peake and Robby Anderson. This is what I mean when I say that he doesnt fit our players. Bradford had 11 games (he played a total of 15) where he threw 30 or more passes and couldnt break 300 yards passing. Of those 11 games, 7 of them he threw 35 or more passes, 4 of them 40 or more passes and 2 of them were over 40 passes. Smash, how does Sam Bradford throw over 40 pass attempts and cant break over 300 yards? How do you throw for over 30 pass attempts 13 total times and 11 of those games you cant crack 300 yards? The two games that he did throw over 300 yards he threw 40 times and 50 times. Remember, this is coming from a guy who's completing the ball 70% of the time. He's entire game is screens, slants and dump offs to the flat. How many times must people say that Sam Bradford's game is limited, while people simply google stats and completely forget that stats dont tell the ENTIRE story? More importantly, we got people actually considering the thought of giving up a 1st round pick for this level of limitation. C'mon. As for Glennon, I keep pushing a guy who HAS taken a snap this season, and when he did he went 10-11 with a TD and a converted 2pt conversion. So please, when you speak Glennon's name guys know that when he gets his opportunity, below is what he'll be saying with his actions on the field... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 17 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: Because Jets fans are simply "stats whoring". They look at 3,900 yards, 20 TD's and 5 ints and they suddenly call that an "excellent season". Well for Bradford thats indeed an excellent season. Pretty similar to Fitz excellent season last year. This is my problem with Bradford, he doesnt fit our players. He doesnt stretch the field. Now im not saying to go out and get a "gun slinger". We just had that in Fitz and guess what? He couldnt stretch the field even in his "excellent" season. We need a guy who can do both efficiently, and THIS is why I like Mike Glennon (back to Glennon in a minute). Bradford dumps the ball off as if his life freaking depends on it. His passes are glorified rushing plays most of the time. The dude threw the ball 552 times and couldnt crack 4,000 yards or throw more than 20 TD's? More specifically. This guy has multiple games where he threw the ball 28 times in a game and couldnt accumulate more than 171 passing yards, mind you, 1 game he completed 63% and the other 71%. How the hell do you throw that amount of passes at that high of a completion rate and you cant break past 171 passing yards? Its because he doesnt throw the ball down the field. Thats the answer. That's not going to help guys like Devin Smith Charone Peake and Robby Anderson. This is what I mean when I say that he doesnt fit our players. Bradford had 11 games (he played a total of 15) where he threw 30 or more passes and couldnt break 300 yards passing. Of those 11 games, 7 of them he threw 35 or more passes, 4 of them 40 or more passes and 2 of them were over 40 passes. Smash, how does Sam Bradford throw over 40 pass attempts and cant break over 300 yards? How do you throw for over 30 pass attempts 13 total times and 11 of those games you cant crack 300 yards? The two games that he did throw over 300 yards he threw 40 times and 50 times. Remember, this is coming from a guy who's completing the ball 70% of the time. He's entire game is screens, slants and dump offs to the flat. How many times must people say that Sam Bradford's game is limited, while people simply google stats and completely forget that stats dont tell the ENTIRE story? As for Glennon, I keep pushing a guy who HAS taken a snap this season, and when he did he went 10-11 with a TD and a converted 2pt conversion. So please, when you speak Glennon's name guys know that when he gets his opportunity, below is what he'll be saying with his actions on the field... This Glennon guy, why have you not brought his name up before? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: This Glennon guy, why have you not brought his name up before? lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I'd be interested in Bradford. He can play. But I'm not giving up the #6 overall pick for him. He's good. But not that good. I'd probably give up two second rounders for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCEastFan Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 18 hours ago, SMC said: Holy hell, Sam Bradford will have the most 1st rounders traded for him in NFL history That's a great trivia question. Not sure what the answer is. I know that the 49ers gave up 3 first rounders for Jim Plunkett in a single trade, but I'm not sure what the overall record is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 19 hours ago, T0mShane said: If you're gonna go the ugh-veteran-stopgap route, may as well take a run at Brees. why would you do that ? Brees would want ridiculous money and he's like 8 years older than Bradfford. Bradford could give you years, Brees in maybe a year or 2. I guess it all depends on how the Jets view their current status. I don't think any one likes the QB's coming out this year so they may just go with HAck and Petty and a vet back up like we did with Fitz 2 years ago. 18 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: Bradford and Bridgewater are both JAGS. I dont want either of thrm. I agree Bridgewater may never amount to anything near consistent but Bradford is no Jag the guy just needs stability in the same damn offense 2 years in a row. He did what he did this year on short notice and had minimal turnovers has a strong arm and got the ball to his playmakers at a 71 % clip what the hell more do you want ? I wonder sometimes if Jets fans understand the rarity of getting an Elite QB. Sure you have to keep trying but their are probably only 5-7 Elite type QB's in this league and the majority of them have been in the league 10 years plus ... That's a very very rare chance of getting one. Then if you do happen to get someone with those mental skills you have to build him up with talent and a coach who's not a complete moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 15 hours ago, Charlie Brown said: I am a man of modest means but I will donate $300.00 dollars to the charity of your choice if Glennon starts somewhere and plays as poorly as Fitz did this season. Fitz was the worst starting QB in the NFL this year. that's correct but he got paid based on last years performance which happened to be pretty good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 18 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: why would you do that ? Brees would want ridiculous money and he's like 8 years older than Bradfford. Bradford could give you years, Brees in maybe a year or 2. I guess it all depends on how the Jets view their current status. I don't think any one likes the QB's coming out this year so they may just go with HAck and Petty and a vet back up like we did with Fitz 2 years ago. I agree Bridgewater may never amount to anything near consistent but Bradford is no Jag the guy just needs stability in the same damn offense 2 years in a row. He did what he did this year on short notice and had minimal turnovers has a strong arm and got the ball to his playmakers at a 71 % clip what the hell more do you want ? I wonder sometimes if Jets fans understand the rarity of getting an Elite QB. Sure you have to keep trying but their are probably only 5-7 Elite type QB's in this league and the majority of them have been in the league 10 years plus ... That's a very very rare chance of getting one. Then if you do happen to get someone with those mental skills you have to build him up with talent and a coach who's not a complete moron. You don't want Bradford for years. No one does. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 3 hours ago, Villain The Foe said: Because Jets fans are simply "stats whoring". They look at 3,900 yards, 20 TD's and 5 ints and they suddenly call that an "excellent season". Well for Bradford thats indeed an excellent season. Pretty similar to Fitz excellent season last year. This is my problem with Bradford, he doesnt fit our players. He doesnt stretch the field. Now im not saying to go out and get a "gun slinger". We just had that in Fitz and guess what? He couldnt stretch the field even in his "excellent" season. We need a guy who can do both efficiently, and THIS is why I like Mike Glennon (back to Glennon in a minute). Bradford dumps the ball off as if his life freaking depends on it. His passes are glorified rushing plays most of the time. The dude threw the ball 552 times and couldnt crack 4,000 yards or throw more than 20 TD's? More specifically. This guy has multiple games where he threw the ball 28 times in a game and couldnt accumulate more than 171 passing yards, mind you, 1 game he completed 63% and the other 71%. How the hell do you throw that amount of passes at that high of a completion rate and you cant break past 171 passing yards? Its because he doesnt throw the ball down the field. Thats the answer. That's not going to help guys like Devin Smith Charone Peake and Robby Anderson. This is what I mean when I say that he doesnt fit our players. Bradford had 11 games (he played a total of 15) where he threw 30 or more passes and couldnt break 300 yards passing. Of those 11 games, 7 of them he threw 35 or more passes, 4 of them 40 or more passes and 2 of them were over 40 passes. Smash, how does Sam Bradford throw over 40 pass attempts and cant break over 300 yards? How do you throw for over 30 pass attempts 13 total times and 11 of those games you cant crack 300 yards? The two games that he did throw over 300 yards he threw 40 times and 50 times. Remember, this is coming from a guy who's completing the ball 70% of the time. He's entire game is screens, slants and dump offs to the flat. How many times must people say that Sam Bradford's game is limited, while people simply google stats and completely forget that stats dont tell the ENTIRE story? More importantly, we got people actually considering the thought of giving up a 1st round pick for this level of limitation. C'mon. As for Glennon, I keep pushing a guy who HAS taken a snap this season, and when he did he went 10-11 with a TD and a converted 2pt conversion. So please, when you speak Glennon's name guys know that when he gets his opportunity, below is what he'll be saying with his actions on the field... Plenty of QB's make a living out of short passing games Brady being one of them Manning late in his career . The Pats nickel and dime you to death and throw so many short passes they use it as an extension of the running game. I know Brady can sling it when he needs to be he rarely needs too because that offense is so well designed. In the case of Sam Bradford he went to a team with basically zero notice and played extremely well when the defense was hot early on they were looking like SB contenders but the problem was they had no offensive line and no running game to control the clock. They had a lack of talent on offense and its as simple as that. Keep in mind a QB takes time to learn an offense sometimes half a year or more yet Bradford still threw 20 Td's and protected the football behind a bad O-line and he did it quickly. If you think Glennon is the answer I'm fine with that but ya can't put down what Bradford had accomplished. The has had a rough career and had some really bad luck with severe Injuries and yet he still is able to play well. I think he deserves some credit for that don't you ? When a QB gets into a new offense it takes time to build to a point of greatness 1 year with subpar talent in not cutting it. Lets say Peterson comes back like we know he can and the Vikings sign a guy like Alshon Jeffrey then you have your big possession guy and a burner in Diggs and then you build up the O-Line through the draft and FA they certainly don't need to spend on defense. This Viking team can really make a run next year if they play it smart and I think they will Keep Bradford anyhow so jets fans can forget about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 6 minutes ago, T0mShane said: You don't want Bradford for years. No one does. Well Shane then how do you have a QB develop in a system ? It takes time man . I understand if some don't like the guy (and hes probably not coming here anyway) but you have to give a QB time to grow in a system with good players around him. Bradford has NEVER had that luxury and yet he still plays well not a world beater but well enough to grow with the right parts on offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 25 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: Well Shane then how do you have a QB develop in a system ? It takes time man . I understand if some don't like the guy (and hes probably not coming here anyway) but you have to give a QB time to grow in a system with good players around him. Bradford has NEVER had that luxury and yet he still plays well not a world beater but well enough to grow with the right parts on offense Bradford has been in the league since the Eisenhower administration. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 1st wont be enough. Gotta send out Leonard with it. And I'll do it in a heartbeat. Can't have enough below average QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 11 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Bradford has been in the league since the Eisenhower administration. We all know that you voted for Stevenson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I just don't see Tyrod shaking loose from Buffalo, in the end they will see they have no other options unless they are gonna try to suck for Darnold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 With how bad the injury was to bridgewater they won;t move bradford for another year at least. I hope bufflao keeps Taylor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 17 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: We all know that you voted for Stevenson. Still have the #ImWithAdlai bumper sticker on my Prius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Smashmouth said: Plenty of QB's make a living out of short passing games Brady being one of them Manning late in his career . The Pats nickel and dime you to death and throw so many short passes they use it as an extension of the running game. I know Brady can sling it when he needs to be he rarely needs too because that offense is so well designed. In the case of Sam Bradford he went to a team with basically zero notice and played extremely well when the defense was hot early on they were looking like SB contenders but the problem was they had no offensive line and no running game to control the clock. They had a lack of talent on offense and its as simple as that. Keep in mind a QB takes time to learn an offense sometimes half a year or more yet Bradford still threw 20 Td's and protected the football behind a bad O-line and he did it quickly. If you think Glennon is the answer I'm fine with that but ya can't put down what Bradford had accomplished. The has had a rough career and had some really bad luck with severe Injuries and yet he still is able to play well. I think he deserves some credit for that don't you ? When a QB gets into a new offense it takes time to build to a point of greatness 1 year with subpar talent in not cutting it. Lets say Peterson comes back like we know he can and the Vikings sign a guy like Alshon Jeffrey then you have your big possession guy and a burner in Diggs and then you build up the O-Line through the draft and FA they certainly don't need to spend on defense. This Viking team can really make a run next year if they play it smart and I think they will Keep Bradford anyhow so jets fans can forget about him. There's no talking to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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