dcJet Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I've never, ever, ever... let me repeat, ever... thought of tanking before in my fandom. Eleven year season ticket holder here, gave them up in 1994 when I moved to DC, and I always value wins over draft position. Anyway, since you need a QB more than ever to win these days and since there's no repercussion for the shamefulness of tanking, (see Dolts, Luck and Bucs, Winston) I've changed my mind. We are PERFECTLY set up to tank next year in a year worth tanking. We have the owner away with his brother in charge as the no-nothing scapegoat. We have two raw QB's to get experience. We have old guys we can keep for one more year of geeziness. We can cut 2 of our best players under the guise of chemistry. It's a perfect time. I saw the shamefulness of the last week of the 2014 season as the Bucs staff, up 14 points in the 4th qtr, pulled their defensive starters to keep the number one position and land Winston. If you haven't seen that travesty, please go to nfl.com and watch the archive - it's as obvious as a Revis cushion on Sammy Watkins. Let's make it obvious too, and force the NFL to make a tanking rule like the NBA does. Lets do it. Why not us for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I'm pro-tank, myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Tanks a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I don't see us competing for the #1 pick unless we purposely start throwing games. We played as bad as we could absolutely ever dream of playing this season and won 5 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I'd say 2 wins will do it for us. Ride petty and hack. Dont go crazy in FA. Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Life Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Great thread!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Just don't sign or draft a QB, and the Jets are more then half way home. I agree 100% tank the sh*t out of 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I like it. More because this team always reverses expectations. When we get optimistic is when they fail most spectacularly. Maybe we go in thinking 0-2 wins, we win it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 They can sign players to good money deals. Just make sure the players aren't going to end up being huge mistakes before their 2nd season here is up. Guys who we'll still want on the team in 2019 or beyond. So that isn't tanking, per se, but I wouldn't sign any more 30+ veterans this year. In the absence of must-sign FAs there's other "good spending" he can do without wasting it again. First is to lock up Enunwa now that his first 3 seasons are over. Don't backload it too much, which will mean spending more now (and freeing up an equal amount later). He can also pay down Carpenter to keep that additional free space for 2018. A cheaper 4th year is also an incentive for an extension offer after the 2017 season, to get him past the 2018 season, if he looks like he'd still be worth it. Ordinarily I'd say pay down Mo some more as well, if the $ isn't needed this year, but I don't trust him after this season. I'll be annoyed if he's unable to re-sign Wesley Johnson for cheap, since it would have been an easy task to extend him 6 months ago. On balance he filled in quite well, and at worst is a reliable backup. Same thing with re-signing Winters. I wouldn't want to break the bank on him, since that would mean staying away from any guard prospect in rounds 2 and 3 should one materialize. He's not worth passing up on better, but he's night and day from where he was. There's no reason to have waited until he could shop himself around so we now have to be the highest bidder to bring him back. Figure that mistake cost at least $1-2m/yr extra if he's re-signed in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 The last time we tried it, you geniuses bought a billboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I've been posting about it all day. I've like Darnold all year, but his performance as a freshmen, against a solid PSU Defense (I am a huge PSU fan), was insanely impressive. His tools are ideal for an NFL QB 1- Big arm, 2- Accurate 3-Great in the pocket when give time 4- Great thrower on the run 5- Can run for a 1st down 6- Starts off hot in a huge game (no nerves/no fear) 7- Finishes off strong to win the Bowl after team had a melt down around him (clutch/leader). How can we not tank for this kid?? We have nothing else to play for next year. I don't even understand how other Jets fans don't see this. It's our one chance at a Manning/Elway/Brady/Luck. And you want to pass it up on the hopes we can sign a few high priced vets to go 9-7 and battle for a wild card in week 17 only to lose to the Browns???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwave81 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Not signing another vet QB ain't purposefully tanking, and answers a LOT of questions using Petty and Hack next year. If they succeed, a bonus for us...if they fail, then you get to pick a QB high next year....even if you draft another project QB in the later rounds this year. Never plan to tank...but sometimes, doing what's right for your franchise will lead to that in any case. Unless you sign a long-term loser, short time 'successful' vet that kills your draft position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I'm so pro-Tank, I'm already in the Tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Life Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Starting Petty alone will secure us a top 3 pick, potentially #1. He's that bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 If we're going to do this properly, the first step is for the Jets to re-hire Idzik (just for this draft). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted January 4, 2017 Author Share Posted January 4, 2017 Shout out to LionelRichie idea... Trade out this year draft picks for 2018 draft ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Another approach to tanking would be to "treat Revis with class" and give him a raise for next season to kill our salary cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 With the talent level of this team, there's no reason to intentionally tank next season. It will happen organically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonJet Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Guys here's the real problem with that idea. The Giants being a very successful organization, forces the Jets to try really hard to match their success. That right there is one of the reasons the New York Jets will NEVER throw away a season in hopes of drafting some college QB phenom. Sorry but the Jets will go after a serviceable vet QB - Romo, Glennon, (maybe even Kaepernick) this off season and torment us all with another mediocre 6-7 win season. Then we get to see Darnold, Jackson and Rosen go elsewhere...the Jets don't tank folks, it'll never happen, it is habitual, it is continuous - rinse repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 $hit. I guess this means Fitz is coming back. Fine. If he can guarantee us the #1 pick in 2018, pay Fitz another 12mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFanWithNOPSL2017 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 $hit. I guess this means Fitz is coming back. Fine. If he can guarantee us the #1 pick in 2018, pay Fitz another 12mil. How could I have left you out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 44 minutes ago, JetFanWithNOPSL2017 said: How could I have left you out Of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 trying to tank games is playing with fire. yeah the dolts sucked for luck but was it really worth it? they got a really good qb but the team is still lacking too much in other areas to be really successful. if the jets finish badly then so be it. just no tanking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 We don't even know if he's leaving early. They never do when we're in position to pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeacon Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 We can easily get the first draft pick in 2018, we play the habitual winners of the "sh*t" season award next year i.e browns and jags. I am fine with tanking if it means we are loading up on the offensive line along with young cb's in a hope to make a push for 2019 and 2020 seasons. Anything before that is folly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 8 hours ago, dcJet said: I've never, ever, ever... let me repeat, ever... thought of tanking before in my fandom. Eleven year season ticket holder here, gave them up in 1994 when I moved to DC, and I always value wins over draft position. Anyway, since you need a QB more than ever to win these days and since there's no repercussion for the shamefulness of tanking, (see Dolts, Luck and Bucs, Winston) I've changed my mind. We are PERFECTLY set up to tank next year in a year worth tanking. We have the owner away with his brother in charge as the no-nothing scapegoat. We have two raw QB's to get experience. We have old guys we can keep for one more year of geeziness. We can cut 2 of our best players under the guise of chemistry. It's a perfect time. I saw the shamefulness of the last week of the 2014 season as the Bucs staff, up 14 points in the 4th qtr, pulled their defensive starters to keep the number one position and land Winston. If you haven't seen that travesty, please go to nfl.com and watch the archive - it's as obvious as a Revis cushion on Sammy Watkins. Let's make it obvious too, and force the NFL to make a tanking rule like the NBA does. Lets do it. Why not us for a change. I agree and think Ten did the same thing. And since Fox is still the HC in Chi, I think they plan on losing a bunch next year as well. Min a year where there are so many teams in need of a QB, and a draft that has no answers, the league has really screwed itself. They put all the emphasis on one position and what happens is we have playoff games with Connor Cook, McGloin, and Matt Moore starting playoff off games. In what should have been a dynamite game to end the season for the division crown, Ten losing Mariota cost them the playoffs. So instead of having a classic, the NFL gave us Tom Savage versus whoever the hell Ten's back up it. Crappy product. If they want to know why ratings are in the tank, it's because we are tired of watching Brady, Rodgers, Rothlisberger, and Eli every freaking year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loluchka80 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 maccagnan and bowles are both on the hot seat. unless they are given multiyear extensions now and told their futures are safe why would they tank? they are going to do everything they can to win as many games as possible next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Jets don't have to tank on purpose. Just clean house of all the vets & start Petty or Hack. Sign only younger filler free agents & take our lumps. Jesus people, even the Cowboys went 1-15 in Aikmans 1st year. Plus, the Browns will actually be a better team than the Jets next year. They have 100 million to spend & they have a boatload of picks. The Jaguars will be better just getting Bradley out of there. Jets will be competing with the 49ers & Bears for the top pick. If they were really smart they would offer up any veteran under contract for 2018 picks. Marshall, Decker, Sheldon. Let's pray that someone drops to 6 that a team covets badly & wants to move up. Take picks in 2018. Any knowledgable Jet fan realizes that as long as Brady & Belichick are in New England, no team below them has a chance in the AFC east. They have proven that since 2001. So f*ck Roger Goodell and his rules that allow the top QBs in this league carte Blanche to the playoffs every year, (exception is Brees because he's a greedy mofo & sucks up too high a % of the Saints cap so they can't field a defense). It's not tanking playing youngsters, in fact it's BRILLIANT. They get experience, you pick a stud QB, you start winning, the young guys get more famous, they get hungry to make the playoffs, they start wanting to win a Super Bowl. Lose, lose, lose in 2017. We just went 5-11 $50,000 below the salary cap. We lost 3 games in a row, by 126-16. Reup Enunwa too. Until we find a QB its not even worth it to watch the NFL. You have zero chance at success without a QB. The Raiders hadn't been to the playoffs in what 15 years? They draft Carr & it changed the entire franchise. I don't even want to watch the Jets anymore until we find a QB. It's just not entertaining at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Last year before the season everyone was talking about tanking for Watson. Now suddenly he's not worth it. Now it's Darnold. Hell, I remember back in the Geno/Sanchez day when some people were recommending we tank for 2 years and draft Hack. We are sitting in a good position to draft Watson. If he's there we should take him and plug him in day one.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mphtrilogy Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 it would be just our luck that darnold would stay in school... see 1996 p manning for reference.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 24 minutes ago, Snell41 said: Last year before the season everyone was talking about tanking for Watson. Now suddenly he's not worth it. Now it's Darnold. Hell, I remember back in the Geno/Sanchez day when some people were recommending we tank for 2 years and draft Hack. We are sitting in a good position to draft Watson. If he's there we should take him and plug him in day one. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Did you watch Darnold play? Some players have IT, Darnold has the IT factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 29 minutes ago, Snell41 said: Last year before the season everyone was talking about tanking for Watson. Now suddenly he's not worth it. Now it's Darnold. Hell, I remember back in the Geno/Sanchez day when some people were recommending we tank for 2 years and draft Hack. We are sitting in a good position to draft Watson. If he's there we should take him and plug him in day one. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Your the second person to say that and be wrong. I don't recall anyone saying they should tank for Watson. Some people projected him as the best QB, but no one was saying he was a lock and that teams should tank for him. In fact, during this entire season I never heard anything about the Browns or the NIners tanking for Watson. Every year, there is a guy that people project to be the 1st QB taken. That is different than the hype that surrounded Luck and now Darnold. You are just confused between the two concepts. Some of you guys create your own reality to make your points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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