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Is the NFL ready for Las Vegas? It better be.

The Raiders will file relocation papers to move from Oakland to Las Vegas, according to sources familiar with their thinking. After a year of planning, debate, and bold action, after many years of a sub-par stadium option in Oakland, the Raiders have made a firm decision on their future.

The stunning move, one that should be made official in the coming days, is expected to add a new city to the NFL's ever-changing landscape. The Raiders would need 24 votes from the league's owners to formally make the move, a vote that will come this spring.

The city of Oakland has made no progress to keep the team, sources say. It has not come up with a stadium proposal that league or independent sources believe is credible. At this point, it is only a matter of time before they officially leave.

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This decision comes on the heels of -- but not directly related to -- the Chargers' swift move from San Diego to Los Angeles.

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has said "if the (Raiders) decide that they can't make it work in Oakland and they decide that they want to file for relocation, then their window is from when they get eliminated from the playoffs to Feb. 15." They will file before that window closes.

There are still questions, including whether or not the Raiders do the deal for the $1.9 billion Las Vegas Stadium project with the help of casino magnate Sheldon Adelson or not. That was the original plan -- the Adelson family would contribute $650 million, the Raiders would contribute $500 million, and there would be $750 million in Clark County hotel room tax revenue. They have not yet come to terms.

Earlier in December, the Raiders presented a plan to NFL owners to finance the stadium with the help from Goldman Sachs advisors. Either option would work.

But the Raiders do hold the Adelson family in the highest regard for everything they've done to advance the project, and it would not be where it is without the family's help. The Raiders would acknowledge that.

When the Raiders officially file, the league and its owners will begin a process that should take several weeks. The membership just went through a similar process before the Rams moved to Los Angeles and this one will be familiar.

The filing would include a statement explaining the Raiders' decision, then potentially words from Goodell. There would be committee meetings to analyze the move from all sides, then a vote of all the owners. Between the analysis, vetting, and discussion, it's likely it would take about 4-6 weeks.

That would set up a vote of the owners to send the Raiders to Vegas during the late-March league meetings in Arizona -- with 24 votes needing to pass. The other option would be to call a special league meeting, which doesn't appear likely.

As for the support from the room of owners, it's described as making progress and gathering momentum. There isn't nearly the opposition some anticipated originally. And it continues to build, with some of the most prominent owners vocally in favor of it.

No sources would estimate a vote count, but it's headed in the right direction.

Davis has said publicly that even if the team moves, he plans on playing for the next couple seasons in Oakland while his new stadium is built. After that, pending the vote from the owners, it's off to Vegas, baby. Vegas.

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What's wild about this relocation is that the Raiders plan on staying in Oakland while their Las Vegas stadium is being built. I've never seen a team that was planning to relocate stay in their old location while waiting to move.  Interesting how this will be received by their fans in Oakland.  

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To me, all these teams moving feels like the beginning of the end. Loyalty swings both ways and if the NFL is making billions each year and they can't figure a way to keep the teams in the cities where their fan base is, then greed will kill this beast from the inside out. Who wants to support a team that is willing to desert the fans for a larger profit margin? Ain't none of the NFL teams LOSING money! Again, just feels like the beginning of the end.

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14 minutes ago, FloridaJetsFan said:

To me, all these teams moving feels like the beginning of the end. Loyalty swings both ways and if the NFL is making billions each year and they can't figure a way to keep the teams in the cities where their fan base is, then greed will kill this beast from the inside out. Who wants to support a team that is willing to desert the fans for a larger profit margin? Ain't none of the NFL teams LOSING money! Again, just feels like the beginning of the end.

Whether it is him or not, I'm starting to get fed up with Goodell. Between these London games where teams get screwed out of home games, and these franchise relocations, when is enough enough for the NFL? Where is the loyalty to fans who have supported these franchises?

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Unlike Los Angeles, which will bust again with the Chargers and Rams, the Las Vegas move is brilliant, they'll be one of the most beloved franchises in the league, the stadium will be sold out even if they go 0-16.

I like hitting a Jets road game every other year.  Problem is, after visiting most of the great stadiums in the league it's gotten boring, I don't need to see Green Bay or Kansas City again.  Vegas?  Always up for a road trip with the boys out there.

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41 minutes ago, FloridaJetsFan said:

To me, all these teams moving feels like the beginning of the end. Loyalty swings both ways and if the NFL is making billions each year and they can't figure a way to keep the teams in the cities where their fan base is, then greed will kill this beast from the inside out. Who wants to support a team that is willing to desert the fans for a larger profit margin? Ain't none of the NFL teams LOSING money! Again, just feels like the beginning of the end.

Northern California can support 2 teams. But Oakland and the stadium is a dump. 

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23 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Unlike Los Angeles, which will bust again with the Chargers and Rams, the Las Vegas move is brilliant, they'll be one of the most beloved franchises in the league, the stadium will be sold out even if they go 0-16.

I like hitting a Jets road game every other year.  Problem is, after visiting most of the great stadiums in the league it's gotten boring, I don't need to see Green Bay or Kansas City again.  Vegas?  Always up for a road trip with the boys out there.

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They are going to print money. A lot of fans will plan trips to Vegas around a game. Even with minimal local support this will be a gold mine. And really northern California has had decades to figure this out, and their solution was to keep the Raiders in a dumpster of a stadium. Fair to note all these teams demand a new stadium at the drop of a hat when most don't need it. Think of Shea, but worse. 

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1 hour ago, FloridaJetsFan said:

To me, all these teams moving feels like the beginning of the end. Loyalty swings both ways and if the NFL is making billions each year and they can't figure a way to keep the teams in the cities where their fan base is, then greed will kill this beast from the inside out. Who wants to support a team that is willing to desert the fans for a larger profit margin? Ain't none of the NFL teams LOSING money! Again, just feels like the beginning of the end.

I agree 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The fact that the NFL can't understand what their core business is and average fans can, is indeed the beginning of the end.  Will opposing fans fear going to Las Vegas as they did once did Oakland?  

The NFL doesn't get this?

Allow an expansion team in Las Vegas, don't destroy a historically great team and fan base!!!

There was once mystic in the NFL and now there is just $$$$$$.

In my opinion the NFL has forgotten it is the entertainment business.  

Not the flag business, the protest business, the patriotism business, the red ribbon business or the morality business and since they have forgotten this they will not be in business for long if this keeps up.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, SAR I said:

Unlike Los Angeles, which will bust again with the Chargers and Rams, the Las Vegas move is brilliant, they'll be one of the most beloved franchises in the league, the stadium will be sold out even if they go 0-16.

I like hitting a Jets road game every other year.  Problem is, after visiting most of the great stadiums in the league it's gotten boring, I don't need to see Green Bay or Kansas City again.  Vegas?  Always up for a road trip with the boys out there.

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I'm a fan who isn't for giving owners billion dollar stadiums at mostly taxpayer expense. Let them move then. It's not life or death to me. Spanos could have done a deal in SD and now he's going to a market with no true interest in that team. As for Mark Davis. If you make a deal with Adelson he's going to be in charge not you. It seems like Roger is on board with these owners. He sympathized with Spanos and said he tried everything to keep the team there. Everything but pay for his own stadium that is. 

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3 hours ago, Bugg said:

They are going to print money. A lot of fans will plan trips to Vegas around a game. Even with minimal local support this will be a gold mine. And really northern California has had decades to figure this out, and their solution was to keep the Raiders in a dumpster of a stadium. Fair to note all these teams demand a new stadium at the drop of a hat when most don't need it. Think of Shea, but worse. 

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Great post.

And don't forget all the hotels buying suites to comp their high rollers, travel agencies with NFL road packages for 8 games a year, Pro Bowl isn't a bad idea, it's going to be a big deal.  Oh, and Chargers fans?  Easier to fly to Vegas to catch a game than battle the traffic to LA.  So it's good for all the people of California.  Well, Southern California.

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2 hours ago, Charlie Brown said:

I agree 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The fact that the NFL can't understand what their core business is and average fans can, is indeed the beginning of the end.  Will opposing fans fear going to Las Vegas as they did once did Oakland?  

The NFL doesn't get this?

Allow an expansion team in Las Vegas, don't destroy a historically great team and fan base!!!

There was once mystic in the NFL and now there is just $$$$$$.

In my opinion the NFL has forgotten it is the entertainment business.  

Not the flag business, the protest business, the patriotism business, the red ribbon business or the morality business and since they have forgotten this they will not be in business for long if this keeps up.

 

 

 

It's not the NFL.

It's the Oakland Raiders ownership, who frankly, have been dicked around by their podunk town for decades.  There comes a point where it's not the team's fault anymore, it's the city.  And that's what's happening here.

The St. Louis Rams saw the value of their franchise increase 100% simply by moving to Los Angeles.  Read:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2663615-cowboys-Cheaters-headline-forbes-list-of-most-valuable-nfl-franchises

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16 minutes ago, SAR I said:

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Great post.

And don't forget all the hotels buying suites to comp their high rollers, travel agencies with NFL road packages for 8 games a year, Pro Bowl isn't a bad idea, it's going to be a big deal.  Oh, and Chargers fans?  Easier to fly to Vegas to catch a game than battle the traffic to LA.  So it's good for all the people of California.  Well, Southern California.

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So their fan base will be SD football fans flying over to Vegas, tourists, comped high rollers and visiting teams' fans?

No to mention an open air stadium in a desert.

Don't think that's a formula for sellout crowds...  

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4 hours ago, SAR I said:

Unlike Los Angeles, which will bust again with the Chargers and Rams, the Las Vegas move is brilliant, they'll be one of the most beloved franchises in the league, the stadium will be sold out even if they go 0-16.

I like hitting a Jets road game every other year.  Problem is, after visiting most of the great stadiums in the league it's gotten boring, I don't need to see Green Bay or Kansas City again.  Vegas?  Always up for a road trip with the boys out there.

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My feelings exactly. I like going to Vegas once every two years. If Vegas gets a team, I will be there each time Jets play. I am sure Raiders will have one of the highest attendance numbers year after year. 

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50 minutes ago, Flushing Roots said:

So their fan base will be SD football fans flying over to Vegas, tourists, comped high rollers and visiting teams' fans?

No to mention an open air stadium in a desert.

Don't think that's a formula for sellout crowds...  

An open air stadium in the desert during winter might be awesome, no?  Not sure what the average temp would be but I assume not bad during winter.  Just checked and today is 60 high 46 low.  Not bad at all.

But I agree w/ you about the fans they'd have.  Basically they'd have very little home field advantage (I would think).  They'd be one of the best places for a road trip for opposing fans plus probably tourists/transplants are there.

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1 hour ago, Flushing Roots said:

So their fan base will be SD football fans flying over to Vegas, tourists, comped high rollers and visiting teams' fans?

No to mention an open air stadium in a desert.

Don't think that's a formula for sellout crowds...  

No, just saying that a division rival from SD/LA will now be a $50 30 minute flight away instead of $350 and 3 hours or whatever it takes to get to Oakland.

The proposed stadium is domed.  Retractable, I'm guessing.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/business/stadium/raiders-las-vegas-stadium-financing-secure-or-without-adelson-investment

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5 hours ago, SAR I said:

Unlike Los Angeles, which will bust again with the Chargers and Rams, the Las Vegas move is brilliant, they'll be one of the most beloved franchises in the league, the stadium will be sold out even if they go 0-16.

I like hitting a Jets road game every other year.  Problem is, after visiting most of the great stadiums in the league it's gotten boring, I don't need to see Green Bay or Kansas City again.  Vegas?  Always up for a road trip with the boys out there.

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You're such, the rich american. Good for you. 

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24 minutes ago, HessStation said:

You're such, the rich american. Good for you. 

I did not mean it that way, apologies if you thought I was acting elitist.

My point is merely that Las Vegas may be the least expensive road trip in the NFL due to abundance of hotel rooms, plethora of flights, cheap food, free alcohol, no rental car needed, etc.

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1 hour ago, Fibonacci said:

My feelings exactly. I like going to Vegas once every two years. If Vegas gets a team, I will be there each time Jets play. I am sure Raiders will have one of the highest attendance numbers year after year. 

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I was just in Vegas last week for CES, my company booked late and wound up at the Monte Carlo.  This was the view from my window, it's the new T-Mobile Arena, home of the Las Vegas Knights of the NHL.  It's literally a 3 minute walk from the New York New York, 2 minutes from the Monte Carlo, 5 minutes from the Bellagio, 10 minutes from Caesar's Palace.  It's on the strip.  Every game will have 15,000 people, easy.  Even if you're not an NHL fan, it sure as hell beats Cher.

Believe it or not, it may actually be cheaper for me to fly with my son to Vegas to see a Rangers game in a decent seat than to stay here and see it in Manhattan.  It's $700 just for good Rangers tickets, add to it parking, tolls, it's got to be pretty close with flights as cheap as they are right now.

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42 minutes ago, SAR I said:

I did not mean it that way, apologies if you thought I was acting elitist.

My point is merely that Las Vegas may be the least expensive road trip in the NFL due to abundance of hotel rooms, plethora of flights, cheap food, free alcohol, no rental car needed, etc.

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No, I was being a dick. I'm just cranky, my bad. 

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1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

An open air stadium in the desert during winter might be awesome, no?  Not sure what the average temp would be but I assume not bad during winter.  Just checked and today is 60 high 46 low.  Not bad at all.

But I agree w/ you about the fans they'd have.  Basically they'd have very little home field advantage (I would think).  They'd be one of the best places for a road trip for opposing fans plus probably tourists/transplants are there.

The weather thing is not that big a deal. Early in the season, late summer/early fall,  might have to play most games at night because it will be very hot at 1PM local time.  But after that not a big deal, no worse than the Cardinals and a number of college teams in the region. 

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