jamesr Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Augustiniak said: they do not have a solid offensive core. they have some players who can be good complementary players. but the odds are they will get rid of brandon, and decker is coming off 2 major surgeries. devin smith is still a big question mark. they do not have depth at wr and do not have an alpha #1 wr. they have 1 rb. they desperately need a LT. they still need a TE. they need so much on offense besides a qb it's sad. they need weapons on offense to begin to balance out this team. they can still improve the secondary in FA and the draft without investing yet another high first round draft pick on defense. Agree about WR especially - if we get rid of BM, it's asking a lot for the younger guys to become the 1/2 instead of the 3/4 on the depth chart. Anderson is a nice deep threat, but can he be a full-on #2 WR already? Even if we keep BM, he's got 1 year left and is on the downside ... not a guy you pass over draft prospects for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, jamesr said: Jeremiah's first mock is quite different : http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000776348/article/jeremiah-mock-draft-10-49ers-jets-texans-fill-qb-needs He has us taking Kizer @ 6; Mike Williams goes 15th to Philly. Lattimore goes at 5. 3 minutes ago, jamesr said: Jeremiah's first mock is quite different : http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000776348/article/jeremiah-mock-draft-10-49ers-jets-texans-fill-qb-needs He has us taking Kizer @ 6; Mike Williams goes 15th to Philly. Lattimore goes at 5. If we took Kizer over Mike Williams, there will be 8 nice seats available for some lucky fan this spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, section314 said: If we took Kizer over Mike Williams, there will be 8 nice seats available for some lucky fan this spring. Oh God yes. Can you imagine if the Jets were stupid enough to pass on Williams for the Notre Dame future bust? Good God.. it would be a typical horrible classic Jets blunder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, Dcat said: Oh God yes. Can you imagine if the Jets were stupid enough to pass on Williams for the Notre Dame future bust? Good God.. it would be a typical horrible classic Jets blunder. "Please sir, may I have another?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 9 minutes ago, Dcat said: Oh God yes. Can you imagine if the Jets were stupid enough to pass on Williams for the Notre Dame future bust? Good God.. it would be a typical horrible classic Jets blunder. i really haven't watched him much. what is his game like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcass10 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 This is a tough one. Is it a difficult pill to swallow taking a CB again? Absolutely. But considering how the board falls, a CB could absolutely be BPA meets Need. I'd be a bit deflated if we took one, but ultimately, I would understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Mac should be asking himself in this draft-Which player is most likely to make the Hall of Fame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 It's a passing league and there's not much going to be available to us at 6 that are worth the pick. So, I'd pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: i really haven't watched him much. what is his game like? Without Williams, I don't think that Deshaun Watson gets so over-hyped. Here you go... lots of video and a great article describing Mike Williams' play: http://www.cleveland.com/osu/2016/12/5_reasons_clemson_football_wil.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Just now, Dcat said: Without Williams, I don't think that Deshaun Watson gets so over-hyped. Here you go... lots of video and a great article describing Mike Williams' play: http://www.cleveland.com/osu/2016/12/5_reasons_clemson_football_wil.html thanks, but i meant kizer. i've seen watson. why is kizer getting so much love? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 hour ago, TJ said: Rather take a pass rusher. Yes please Our CB's like Revis and Skrine have been horrible because they have to cover their guys for 15 seconds at a time because we have 0.0 pass rush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: thanks, but i meant kizer. i've seen watson. why is kizer getting so much love? I just think that all ND players get a little over-hype. I have no idea. My next door neighbor is an ND fanatic. He doesn't like Kizer at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: If we draft one at 6 in a draft that is supposedly super deep at CB this guy had better be Revis version #2 Revis didn't become Revis until Rex brought in those great blitz packages in 2009 nobody could figure out for two years Without a pass rush whatever DB we reach for at 6 will get burned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 The guy you want at 6 is Taco Charlton. 6'6 275 lbs explosive edge rusher from Michigan who is still learning and has crazy upside. Came off a 10 sack season at Michigan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lray Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Dcat said: I just think that all ND players get a little over-hype. I have no idea. My next door neighbor is an ND fanatic. He doesn't like Kizer at all. Of the 3 top QBs Kizer is my favourite. Mainly because he looks the most ready but I think they're all overhyped. It's what happens when there's genuinely nobody to actually get excited about. The media have to feign excitement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lray Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Just now, thadude said: The guy you want at 6 is Taco Charlton. 6'6 275 lbs explosive edge rusher from Michigan who is still learning and has crazy upside. Came off a 10 sack season at Michigan I'm a Michigan fan but I'm not crazy on Taco. Best name in the draft but I've got him outside the Top 5 edge players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Hooker please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 minute ago, thadude said: Revis didn't become Revis until Rex brought in those great blitz packages in 2009 nobody could figure out for two years Without a pass rush whatever DB we reach for at 6 will get burned Strongly disagree. I think the advanced metrics sites had Revis ranked top 3 in 2008. Here is some all-time sh*t from PFF. Of all CB seasons since 2007, Revis 2008 was #11 overall (Revis 2009 and 2011 were better) and #13 in coverage (again included in those better were his 2009 and 2011 seasons). Rex didn't invent Revis, he maximized his value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said: Strongly disagree. I think the advanced metrics sites had Revis ranked top 3 in 2008. Here is some all-time sh*t from PFF. Of all CB seasons since 2007, Revis 2008 was #11 overall (Revis 2009 and 2011 were better) and #13 in coverage (again included in those better were his 2009 and 2011 seasons). Rex didn't invent Revis, he maximized his value. Revis went from being a guy who got burnt by Randy Moss running 3/4 speed to a HOF'er because Rex's blitz packages had him covering receivers for 3-4 seconds tops Revis went from having a very good career to HOF people comparing him to Deion Sanders because of Rex Ryan. Bottom line we need pass rushers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, Lray said: I'm a Michigan fan but I'm not crazy on Taco. Best name in the draft but I've got him outside the Top 5 edge players. I think Taco is the best edge rusher after Garret or at least tied with Tim Williams for #2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, thadude said: Revis went from being a guy who got burnt by Randy Moss running 3/4 speed to a HOF'er because Rex's blitz packages had him covering receivers for 3-4 seconds tops Revis went from having a very good career to HOF people comparing him to Deion Sanders because of Rex Ryan. Bottom line we need pass rushers Besides the fact that I think that your first sentence is bullsh*t, who was the best pass rusher we had under Rex? Antwan Barnes? Aaron Maybin? Calvin Pace? Revis didn't need any help. He was a pro bowler before Rex came around and made first team all pro on the Pats who don't exactly mount a ferocious pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 L.Fournette or trade down. JMHO. The only other wild card is if the Jets fell in love with a QB like Watson or Kizer, in which case, I can't really argue against taking a QB when your team desperately needs one. But taking a CB or an OT or even a pass rusher not named Garrett doesn;t quite make sense to me. And the only reason Fournette makes sense is because he is an elite talent and special player that does not come around very often, he's not just the top RB prospect. Fournette would be a classic BPA pick. Also, the availability of both Fournette and a QB like Kizer or Watson should give the jets an opportunity to trade down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Why is everyone assuming Mike Williams will be gone at 6? Prior to the NC Game nobody had him going that high. If he doesn't run well at the combine (totally possible) he will almost certainly be there for us to pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Besides the fact that I think that your first sentence is bullsh*t, who was the best pass rusher we had under Rex? Antwan Barnes? Aaron Maybin? Calvin Pace? Revis didn't need any help. He was a pro bowler before Rex came around and made first team all pro on the Pats who don't exactly mount a ferocious pass rush. We had pass rush in 2009-2010 because Rex had these great blitz packages no one had seen yet. Even Peyton Manning said he had to run plays where he wasn't even trying to move the ball downfield he just wanted to see how Rex was doing with disguising blitzes in the AFCG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 hour ago, JiF said: As much as it would sicken me to go D again, I'd prefer this over a RB at #6. we need a legit pass rusher more than anything. Even great corners cannot cover forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 minute ago, jack48 said: we need a legit pass rusher more than anything. Even great corners cannot cover forever. I tend to agree. If we go defense again it should be the best edge rusher in the draft. It's easier to find good corners later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 24 minutes ago, thadude said: Revis didn't become Revis until Rex brought in those great blitz packages in 2009 nobody could figure out for two years Without a pass rush whatever DB we reach for at 6 will get burned This is what some fans and for sure some coaches can't figure out. See the Jets from last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 22 minutes ago, Lray said: Of the 3 top QBs Kizer is my favourite. Mainly because he looks the most ready but I think they're all overhyped. It's what happens when there's genuinely nobody to actually get excited about. The media have to feign excitement. If I had to take a qb I'd go Kizer And im not even a Kizer guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lray Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 17 minutes ago, thadude said: I think Taco is the best edge rusher after Garret or at least tied with Tim Williams for #2 It's Barnett and Harris for me. Don't get me wrong, if we took Taco with our 2nd I'd be delighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, jack48 said: we need a legit pass rusher more than anything. Even great corners cannot cover forever. Truth...but I think we can have that with some of the guys we have if our corners could actually cover for a second. When the opposing QB drops back and everyone is wide open, a pass rush gets eliminated easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 38 minutes ago, Lray said: I'm a Michigan fan but I'm not crazy on Taco. Best name in the draft but I've got him outside the Top 5 edge players. Nope. That honor goes to Teez Tabor. And, he recently made that his legal name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 hours ago, JiF said: As much as it would sicken me to go D again, I'd prefer this over a RB at #6. Draft to the strength of the draft class, not to outrun the history of how the franchise has drafted in the past few years. Top of this draft is strong on defense. Tim Williams, Reuben Foster, among several others just present the best value... I'm okay with them drafting D, as long as they aren't doing the same bullsh*t where they keep pouring resources into the D, and it keeps being a monumental letdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lray Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, Il Mostro said: Nope. That honor goes to Teez Tabor. And, he recently made that his legal name. I definitely took that into consideration. I guess, like most things, it boils down to how much you like mexican food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 We will take a CB but should be drafting OL. Rinse, repeat. Let's keep trying to build defense while ignoring offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I just hope they get a quality starter. And yes, my expectations are limited with this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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