Beerfish Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 The first drill that they put Murray through... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 hour ago, nyjbuddy said: Kyle Prater - Draft scouting report Strengths Size, size, size. If there's one attribute that is valued by NFL scouts simply off the eye test, it's size, and Prater has a lot of that. There aren't many 6'5" receivers out there, which makes him a difficult matchup for smaller defensive backs. There's a reason he was so highly sought after high school and why he showed the flashes he did with Northwestern. Weaknesses Getting the ball in Prater's area isn't the problem; the problem is whether he'll catch it or not and whether the defender gets there before him. He had his fair share of drops at NU but his most glaring deficiency is lack of foot speed and agility, which feeds into poor route-running. A 40-time of 4.75 is not promising at all, even for a possession receiver such as Prater. In the NFL, even the big receivers can move quickly, and Prater is just not at that point yet. Overview One of the most-used clichés in sports is that you can't teach size, which, even with its overuse, is inherently true. That's why Prater will likely find himself on an NFL's team roster this summer for a training camp and maybe even into the fall. The fact is that he's just not athletic enough, at least right now, to compete in an incredibly physical league in which even the bigger receivers, and defensive backs, can run sub-4.40 40-yard dashes. In high school and college, extreme size can trump deficient speed but it can't in the NFL, which is why it would be a surprise if Prater is selected in this year's draft. His best chance to make a name for himself in the league though would be as a tight end/slot receiver hybrid. In fact, multiple NFL teams have told Prater that that is where they see him. If he could put on some weight to help handle the blocking duties of the position, he'd be a tough matchup for NFL linebackers over the middle of the field. Not the ideal top line for a WR"s resume', huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Yes. For his freshman year Murray threw to AJ Green. Murray had some NFL talent surrounding him while he was there, Malcom Mitchell, Isiah Crowell, Todd Gurley etc. but he was the leader of those teams. Not to be a downer, but Murray has looked like total trash in preseason action. Last year when he was fighting off a couple JAGS, he was awful. He's done. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Paradis said: Not to be a downer, but Murray has looked like total trash in preseason action. Last year when he was fighting off a couple JAGS, he was awful. He's done. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That's not being a downer, that's being realistic. We are like a hobo down by the Holland Tunnel turning over the trash-heap looking for a half-eaten sandwich nobody else has found. I feel the gap closing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 NFL on ESPN @ESPNNFL Jan 20 More Johnny Manziel says he's achieved sobriety without professional assistance & is determined to resume his NFL career. http://es.pn/2k9tyKc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 7 hours ago, dbatesman said: CONS: -does not have All The Tools I'm sure he has a screw loose somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 4 hours ago, ManCave Analyst said: I grew up in NJ , now I live in ATlL and watched all of his games at UGA . He was labeled a Sure 1st round talent , and deservedly so, until his last game when he suffered a torn ACL. If my memory is correct, he even came in form a series or two, because his Team needed him, after suffering the injury. All the press written about him was he was a good teammate and a Very Coachable talent. He is the opposite of Geno "the Bumm" Smith. So please do not mention him again ever on any future posts again. He had an average arm with very good accuracy on passes of 50 yards or less. He had no trouble throwing the out route. Similar to Chad Pennington , but with a better arm and quicker release. Getting drafted by and Playing for the overrated Andy Reid hasn't helped his development. Now that he is healthy it is time to sure what he's got. This young is the "Steal of Free Agency" if he goes to the right team with Good Coaching and a good/not great team around him. If MAC oo anybody on his staff reads of of these posts , do your home all look at his college and preseason tape. It will confirm this. If we miss this opportunity and don't sign him, they should Fire this Whole Staff,. Because all they are is arrogant Impersonators. They break our hearts after every loss , with excuse after excuse. So don't let him leave without a 3 - 4 year contract and just Do your Dam Job or step aside for someone more competent to lead this Team. Enough is Enough , "Sign Aaron Murray" NOW !!! Jesus Christ. And I thought I was a little homo for defending Hackenberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 hour ago, joewilly12 said: NFL on ESPN @ESPNNFL Jan 20 More Johnny Manziel says he's achieved sobriety without professional assistance & is determined to resume his NFL career. http://es.pn/2k9tyKc Don't even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 59 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: NFL on ESPN @ESPNNFL Jan 20 More Johnny Manziel says he's achieved sobriety without professional assistance & is determined to resume his NFL career. http://es.pn/2k9tyKc This is about as full proof as how you've achieved journalist of the year. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, Mogglez said: Don't even. COME ON MAN we need a QB until we find a decent one nothing else matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 58 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Don't even. I don't buy it. But if he could prove that he's sober and committed to staying that way, I'd be open to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jet Nut Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 1 hour ago, joewilly12 said: NFL on ESPN @ESPNNFL Jan 20 More Johnny Manziel says he's achieved sobriety without professional assistance & is determined to resume his NFL career. http://es.pn/2k9tyKc Nothing like taking a drunken - junkies word as truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 1 hour ago, sourceworx said: I don't buy it. But if he could prove that he's sober and committed to staying that way, I'd be open to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 1 hour ago, sourceworx said: I don't buy it. But if he could prove that he's sober and committed to staying that way, I'd be open to it. I wouldn't even think about a sober (he isn't) Manziel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 1 hour ago, joewilly12 said: COME ON MAN we need a QB until we find a decent one nothing else matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 53 minutes ago, Mogglez said: I wouldn't even think about a sober (he isn't) Manziel. I don't believe he's sober. But if he is then what do we have to lose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 54 minutes ago, Mogglez said: I wouldn't even think about a sober (he isn't) Manziel. Double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 7 minutes ago, sourceworx said: I don't believe he's sober. But if he is then what do we have to lose? Risk vs reward.....nothing to lose everything to gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 1 hour ago, sourceworx said: I don't believe he's sober. But if he is then what do we have to lose? Well in that case nothing but games, which, with next years QB class, might be a great thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 2 hours ago, sourceworx said: I don't believe he's sober. But if he is then what do we have to lose? Not worth the risk that he isn't or if he falls back into the abyss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 9 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Not worth the risk that he isn't or if he falls back into the abyss Question of the Day: Is a drunken Johnny Manziel the worst QB on our roster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 19 hours ago, nyjbuddy said: Aaron Murray - Draft Profile STRENGTHS Has a quick release and is light enough on his feet to escape the first wave and make some plays on the move. Solid decision-maker -- takes what the defense gives him. Fine short-to-intermediate accuracy. Good intangibles. Encouraging team leader with a likeable personality. Leads by example. Serves well as the face of the program. Outstanding work ethic. Is very intelligent and football smart. Experienced, four-year starter in the SEC. WEAKNESSES Short and short-armed with a low release point that leads to batted balls. Very small-framed with a thin waist and a body that is not built to withstand the punishment that comes in the pocket. Average arm talent. Has to set his feet and everything needs to be perfect to function well. Could stand to improve his footwork. Marginal deep-ball accuracy -- tends to overstride and forces receivers to adjust. Many passes are pre-determined and often throws to spots. Loses poise under duress and can be rattled easily by pressure. Gets too jittery and anxious (overanalyzes) in big games and has a very low winning percentage vs. top-10 teams. Long-term durability is concerning. DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 5-6 BOTTOM LINE Diminutive, game-managing pocket passer still recovering from a torn ACL. Would benefit from a moving pocket that can create open throwing lanes, yet does not have the foot quickness desired for a rollout passing game. Possesses a skill set most ideally suited for a backup or No. 3 role. Intelligence, intangibles and experience are all pluses. -Nolan Nawrocki i guess we can assume this information is from 4 years ago. maybe he's a late bloomer. the jets should take a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRENGTHS Has a quick release and is light enough on his feet to escape the first wave and make some plays on the move. Solid decision-maker -- takes what the defense gives him. Fine short-to-intermediate accuracy. Good intangibles. Encouraging team leader with a likeable personality. Leads by example. Serves well as the face of the program. Outstanding work ethic. Is very intelligent and football smart. Experienced, four-year starter in the SEC.
WEAKNESSES Short and short-armed with a low release point that leads to batted balls. Very small-framed with a thin waist and a body that is not built to withstand the punishment that comes in the pocket. Average arm talent. Has to set his feet and everything needs to be perfect to function well. Could stand to improve his footwork. Marginal deep-ball accuracy -- tends to overstride and forces receivers to adjust. Many passes are pre-determined and often throws to spots. Loses poise under duress and can be rattled easily by pressure. Gets too jittery and anxious (overanalyzes) in big games and has a very low winning percentage vs. top-10 teams. Long-term durability is concerning.
BOTTOM LINE Diminutive, game-managing pocket passer still recovering from a torn ACL. Would benefit from a moving pocket that can create open throwing lanes, yet does not have the foot quickness desired for a rollout passing game. Possesses a skill set most ideally suited for a backup or No. 3 role. Intelligence, intangibles and experience are all pluses.
elgoman Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I like Murray. He was good in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 On January 26, 2017 at 8:35 PM, sourceworx said: I don't believe he's sober. But if he is then what do we have to lose? Manziel drunk and on coke > Petty/Hack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 On January 27, 2017 at 8:16 AM, nycdan said: Question of the Day: Is a drunken Johnny Manziel the worst QB on our roster? No neither is virginal Tim Tebow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Murray's upside is Alex Smith. No thanks either sign Glennon or Tyrod if he becomes available or tank next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 9 hours ago, thadude said: Murray's upside is Alex Smith. No thanks either sign Glennon or Tyrod if he becomes available or tank next season Those are not mutually exclusive outcomes at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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