Hackenburg has 9 years to get us to the Superbowl

[munchmemory]

Just now, joewilly12 said:

We shall see I've already got his nickname picked out Sackenberg or Suckenberg if he is terrible.

I always go with simplicity.  How can you do better than "Hack"?

[joewilly12]

Just now, thadude said:

How can a second round pick get "redshirted"?!??

 

It's not like Fitz/Geno/Petty were lighting it up either this year.  Anyone semi-decent shoots up to 1 on our depth chart by week 8

 

Exactly its not like he was sitting behind Tom Brady.......disturbing situation.

[rangerous]

9 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

No, it's apples and apples. They were both highly drafted NFL QBs. Also it's one thing to have him sit as a backup. It's another still to have him 4th string, not suiting up, even when the season had reached the point of playing time & tryouts. 

Hackenberg is not very much an unknown. That is a cop out statement. It is very much known he was unfit to see the field. 

There is no actual evidence the GM, when drafting Hackenberg, decided at that time he wanted to sit him all season long no matter what, even in the case of his starter failing, plus the next 2 suffering significant injuries, and with the team being eliminated from contention. That is the result - evidently because he was so terrible it behooved them to avoid further embarrassment by hiding their controversial pick - but that does not therefore mean that was the desire during the draft itself.  

wrong on both counts.  the jet plan was to sit hack this past season come hell or high water.  after the season was lost and petty went down there was no real compelling reason to start hack.  just because you and most fans wanted to see him play is meaningless.  and even if mac had desired to see hack play it would make no difference because bowles runs the team on the field and makes that decision.  i would assume that bowles did tell mac what his qb plans are and since petty and/or geno remained on the team roster means mac agreed.  and where is this a cop out statement?  have you seen him play besides the pre-season?  have you been to the practices, etc?  to me he is an unknown.  get over it.

[Sperm Edwards]

@rangerous

A goal of bringing him along slowly doesn't therefore mean, on draft day, they all still figured a healthy Hackenberg should be inactive in a totally meaningless, 5-game December (if not earlier).

If that was the case, then (after Geno went on IR) there wouldn't have been the competition for the #2 job, in October, between him & Petty.

Bowles publicly stated he wanted competition, and clearly decided he wasn't fit to suit up, even as a backup, until there was literally no one left to dress. While I sympathize with your desire to disbelieve the failure, it is plain as day to see if you would only open your eyes.

[BurnleyJet]

17 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

No, it's apples and apples. They were both highly drafted NFL QBs. Also it's one thing to have him sit as a backup. It's another still to have him 4th string, not suiting up, even when the season had reached the point of playing time & tryouts. 

Hackenberg is not very much an unknown. That is a cop out statement. It is very much known he was unfit to see the field. 

There is no actual evidence the GM, when drafting Hackenberg, decided at that time he wanted to sit him all season long no matter what, even in the case of his starter failing, plus the next 2 suffering significant injuries, and with the team being eliminated from contention. That is the result - evidently because he was so terrible it behooved them to avoid further embarrassment by hiding their controversial pick - but that does not therefore mean that was the desire during the draft itself.  

Jets Draft another QB, or picks one up in FA. Hack never sees the field, another 2nd round bust.

[rangerous]

1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said:

@rangerous

A goal of bringing him along slowly doesn't therefore mean, on draft day, they all still figured a healthy Hackenberg should be inactive in a totally meaningless, 5-game December (if not earlier).

If that was the case, then (after Geno went on IR) there wouldn't have been the competition for the #2 job, in October, between him & Petty.

The team clearly decided he wasn't fit to suit up, even as a backup, until there was literally no one left to dress (as just a backup lol). While I sympathize with your desire to disbelieve the failure, it is plain as day to see if you would only open your eyes.

oh brother.  please just get off this.  i'm getting a head ache. when hack finally does play one of us will be surprised.  bowles made the decision to sit him and was unswayed. end of story.

[thadude]

4 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Exactly its not like he was sitting behind Tom Brady.......disturbing situation.

Fitz stinks it up plays like the worst qb in the entire NFL, Geno gets hurt, Petty plays like a total JAG ... Hack can't even get on a uniform until like week 17

 

 

What a joke

[joewilly12]

4 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said:

Jets Draft another QB, or picks one up in FA. Hack never sees the field, another 2nd round bust.

Its surely looking that way if they draft another QB Hack is done. 

[section314]

2 minutes ago, thadude said:

Fitz stinks it up plays like the worst qb in the entire NFL, Geno gets hurt, Petty plays like a total JAG ... Hack can't even get on a uniform until like week 17

 

 

What a joke

What's a bigger joke....the Jets draft a guy in the 2nd round, tell the world from the time they draft him that he will probably not play in his first year, or the Rams, giving a king's ransom to draft Goff with the #1 pick in the draft, have him sit behind an infinitely worse QB than anybody on our roster, and not letting him see the field until week 11?

[thadude]

Just now, section314 said:

What's a bigger joke....the Jets draft a guy in the 2nd round, tell the world from the time they draft him that he will probably not play in his first year, or the Rams, giving a king's ransom to draft Goff with the #1 pick in the draft, have him sit behind an infinitely worse QB than anybody on our roster, and not letting him see the field until week 11?

I said it all along Goff is terrible.  He's Chad without his heart or intelligence.  Ditto for Lynch

[LIJetsFan]

4 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

@rangerous

A goal of bringing him along slowly doesn't therefore mean, on draft day, they all still figured a healthy Hackenberg should be inactive in a totally meaningless, 5-game December (if not earlier).

If that was the case, then (after Geno went on IR) there wouldn't have been the competition for the #2 job, in October, between him & Petty.

Bowles publicly stated he wanted competition, and clearly decided he wasn't fit to suit up, even as a backup, until there was literally no one left to dress. While I sympathize with your desire to disbelieve the failure, it is plain as day to see if you would only open your eyes.

Sperm, the problem is that you are giving Bowles opinion weight it may not deserve.  Bowles clearly is clueless when it come to offense.  I conclude therefore that his offensive coaches were in fact calling the shots.  And hey, guess what, they are all fired.

So, it's possible that our coaches (who decided to NOT work on Hacks' mechanics during the season, lol) suk and got it wrong or that Hack indeed suks or (of course) both.  A possibility is that Hack isn't AS BAD as our CS brain trusts thinks.

It's the off season and hope springs eternal!       

 

[section314]

7 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Its surely looking that way if they draft another QB Hack is done. 

You and I both know Macc staked a huge part of his job on Hack.....there is no way in hell the Jets draft a QB, unless it's on day 3. 

[section314]

4 minutes ago, thadude said:

I said it all along Goff is terrible.  He's Chad without his heart or intelligence.  Ditto for Lynch

I agree, except I'm thinking Goff more like Rick Mirer.

[thadude]

4 minutes ago, section314 said:

I agree, except I'm thinking Goff more like Rick Mirer.

I still don't know how he and Paxtin Lynch were 1st round picks.  

[Sperm Edwards]

26 minutes ago, rangerous said:

oh brother.  please just get off this.  i'm getting a head ache. when hack finally does play one of us will be surprised.  bowles made the decision to sit him and was unswayed. end of story.

That is irrelevant. 

He didn't play this year because he sucked this year; not because of some refusal to let him see the field this year purely in the interest of his development.

[Sperm Edwards]

22 minutes ago, LIJetsFan said:

Sperm, the problem is that you are giving Bowles opinion weight it may not deserve.  Bowles clearly is clueless when it come to offense.  I conclude therefore that his offensive coaches were in fact calling the shots.  And hey, guess what, they are all fired.

So, it's possible that our coaches (who decided to NOT work on Hacks' mechanics during the season, lol) suk and got it wrong or that Hack indeed suks or (of course) both.  A possibility is that Hack isn't AS BAD as our CS brain trusts thinks.

It's the off season and hope springs eternal!       

 

The argument I'm making is not whether he will never see the field. Rather, the reason he didn't see the field is he was too horrible to allow to see the field. It was proposed that the reason was due to a decision - going back to before he was drafted - that should the Jets draft him they'd sit him all season long no matter what. This is a patently false sentiment.

[Sperm Edwards]

31 minutes ago, section314 said:

What's a bigger joke....the Jets draft a guy in the 2nd round, tell the world from the time they draft him that he will probably not play in his first year, or the Rams, giving a king's ransom to draft Goff with the #1 pick in the draft, have him sit behind an infinitely worse QB than anybody on our roster, and not letting him see the field until week 11?

Pointing at (what is so far) an even bigger lapse in judgment does not make the judgment of the Jets' brain trust good. 

What the Rams did, correctly or incorrectly, is irrelevant. And while Keenum stinks, he is not "infinitely worse" than any QB on our roster. I'm not sure there's a QB in the league that's "infinitely worse" than the best QB on our 2016 roster.

Also there is a difference in saying he "probably" wouldn't play vs the newly-fabricated sentiment of "definitely" (no matter what happens, no matter what the circumstances with the team or the other 3 QBs) that he wouldn't see the field or even suit up. 

"They" gave him a chance to suit up in the first half of the season. "They" determined he was too terrible to allow that to happen. If "they" had made the determination that he's red shirting no matter what, then "they" would have never held any competition and instead would have hit the waiver wire for any warmbodied QB. But "they" didn't.

[rangerous]

1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

That is irrelevant. 

He didn't play this year because he sucked this year; not because of some refusal to let him see the field this year purely in the interest of his development.

whatever.

[section314]

56 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Pointing at (what is so far) an even bigger lapse in judgment does not make the judgment of the Jets' brain trust good. 

What the Rams did, correctly or incorrectly, is irrelevant. And while Keenum stinks, he is not "infinitely worse" than any QB on our roster. I'm not sure there's a QB in the league that's "infinitely worse" than the best QB on our 2016 roster.

Also there is a difference in saying he "probably" wouldn't play vs the newly-fabricated sentiment of "definitely" (no matter what happens, no matter what the circumstances with the team or the other 3 QBs) that he wouldn't see the field or even suit up. 

"They" gave him a chance to suit up in the first half of the season. "They" determined he was too terrible to allow that to happen. If "they" had made the determination that he's red shirting no matter what, then "they" would have never held any competition and instead would have hit the waiver wire for any warmbodied QB. But "they" didn't.

If 'they" had been decent coaches, "they" wouldn't have gotten their asses handed to them at the end of the year by a supposedly "clueless" coach. 

[T0mShane]

Scrolling through and saw someone use the phrase, "THE JET PLAN."

[T0mShane]

THE.

 

JET.

 

PLAN.

[Larz]

oh, and its super awesome that they (allegedly) knew gailey was retiring, so the master plan included a wasted year for hack where they didn't bother to fix his footwork, according to gailey and the (alleged) successor to gailey, the QB coach, got sh*t canned and is out of work

you can't make this sh*t up kids

 

[tfine]

He won't. The Jets fans have already packed his bags and running him out of town before playing a real snap in the NFL because the media said so....no wonder why the sports writers laugh at us. The can say the sky is red and fans will believe it.

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[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

No, it's apples and apples. They were both highly drafted NFL QBs. Also it's one thing to have him sit as a backup. It's another still to have him 4th string, not suiting up, even when the season had reached the point of playing time & tryouts. 

Hackenberg is not very much an unknown. That is a cop out statement. It is very much known he was unfit to see the field. 

There is no actual evidence the GM, when drafting Hackenberg, decided at that time he wanted to sit him all season long no matter what, even in the case of his starter failing, plus the next 2 suffering significant injuries, and with the team being eliminated from contention. That is the result - evidently because he was so terrible it behooved them to avoid further embarrassment by hiding their controversial pick - but that does not therefore mean that was the desire during the draft itself.  

One more time.  The plan was Hack wasn't playing and he was the 4th QB all season without the benefit of even practice time.  He wasn't getting on the field no matter what the other 3 did.  To say that as bad as the 3 were proves he sucks is apples to oranges and has nothing to do with reality.

The Bengals took C Palmer first overall and red shirted him on the same way.  Stick with their plan too, no one did out of the belief he sucked

[joewilly12]

50 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

One more time.  The plan was Hack wasn't playing and he was the 4th QB all season without the benefit of even practice time.  He wasn't getting on the field no matter what the other 3 did.  To say that as bad as the 3 were proves he sucks is apples to oranges and has nothing to do with reality.

The Bengals took C Palmer first overall and red shirted him on the same way.  Stick with their plan too, no one did out of the belief he sucked

The fact that we were decimated at the QB position and we drafted a QB with a 2nd round pick and he wasn't good enough to see the field speaks volumes for the decision. 

[CanadienJetsFan]

Imagine that this kid actually is any good. 

[NYDreamer]

20 minutes ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

Imagine that this kid actually is any good. 

That is the point, and it my sound strange, While I would be excited about him being given the opportunity to start and see what he has.  Let him grow.  All of our expectations are low for next year, maybe, just maybe Hackenberg comes out shows us he is our QB.

[CanadienJetsFan]

3 minutes ago, NYDreamer said:

That is the point, and it my sound strange, While I would be excited about him being given the opportunity to start and see what he has.  Let him grow.  All of our expectations are low for next year, maybe, just maybe Hackenberg comes out shows us he is our QB.

This.

Everyone here needs to accept that we are going through a rebuild. That means going through the growing pains. Remove all the dead weight veterans and this team is one of the youngest in the league.  Let them grow and mature.

[Persiussa]

Great, another Hackenberg hate thread. This fan base didn't give him 5 minutes after his name was called during the draft. Most have already written him off.

im in his corner but he's going to have to create miracles in training camp and the preseason to get people on his side and even then some people will still have their mind set that he's a bust.

[Fantasy Island]

Hackenberg might make a good TE for us, QB lol no way

[LIJetsFan]

I don't hate Hack.  I hate the coaching staff as a whole and the (lack of) way Hack has been coached so far.  Hack looked like pure garbage in that preseason game he wasn't prepared to play.  No one expected him to be THAT bad.  Again though, that is on the coaching staff IMHO.  Clearly Hack needed one on one full time coaching.  It should have been apparent to our coaching staff.  Did they just not care enough?  Was someone too cheap to hire one more coach?    

 

[Happy Clouds]

 The NFL draft is all about picking guys with potential.  Yet, for all the film study, and other homework that scouts do, they still fail quite often, even with first round players.

 It's definitely not an exact science. That's why there are so many players that fall low in the draft, or even undrafted, that end up having long, solid careers. 

 Many times it takes just that one scout, or general manager, to see something in a player, that makes them want to tap into that potential. 

 Somebody in the Jets organization, obviously sees something in Hack.  Enough that they were willing to risk a very high pick, on what was known as a project coming out.

 I think he should at least be given a chance, before we pile all the hate on him. 

 

[Sperm Edwards]

2 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

One more time.  The plan was Hack wasn't playing and he was the 4th QB all season without the benefit of even practice time.  He wasn't getting on the field no matter what the other 3 did.  To say that as bad as the 3 were proves he sucks is apples to oranges and has nothing to do with reality.

The Bengals took C Palmer first overall and red shirted him on the same way.  Stick with their plan too, no one did out of the belief he sucked

This just isn't true. 

They gave Hackenberg an opportunity to be the #2 QB, behind an injury prone starter who'd already been benched once, for week 8. So this idea that he wouldn't get onto the field "no matter what" is a factually false statement. He didn't see he field because he was worse than Petty, who himself missed the bulk of the prior 2 consecutive months of that precious practice time and had never taken a regular season snap.

If he beat out Petty in late October, when given that chance, and then Fitz got himself benched again, the starter would have been Hackenberg instead of Petty.

It didn't happen because he was just that bad, not because they refused to play him on principle. 

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

The fact that we were decimated at the QB position and we drafted a QB with a 2nd round pick and he wasn't good enough to see the field speaks volumes for the decision. 

That's just ignoring facts to act dumb.  He wasn't playing, wasn't being prepared to play in 2016.  No matter how many times you say it proves he sucks it actually proves nothing other than you don't get it

[Sperm Edwards]

3 hours ago, section314 said:

If 'they" had been decent coaches, "they" wouldn't have gotten their asses handed to them at the end of the year by a supposedly "clueless" coach. 

This is beside the point. The claim is that he didn't play because the team wouldn't no matter what. Giving him a chance to suit up in the first half of the season suggests that is untrue.