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3 hours ago, win4ever said:

God No.  

Have we not learned anything?  High interception guy who takes risks, with injury history and a well known locker room malcontent?  What could go wrong?

 

i don't exactly see where he's an interception machine.  the other parts may be true but there's no doubt he is a decent qb when healthy.

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Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV
2006 23 DEN qb 6 5 5 2-3-0 81 137 59.1 1001 9 6.6 5 3.6 71 7.3 7.0 12.4 200.2 88.5 35.96 13 85 6.11 5.81 8.7     3
2007 24 DEN QB 6 16 16 7-9-0 297 467 63.6 3497 20 4.3 14 3.0 68 7.5 7.0 11.8 218.6 88.1 55.1 27 153 6.77 6.30 5.5 2 3 12
2008* 25 DEN QB 6 16 16 8-8-0 384 616 62.3 4526 25 4.1 18 2.9 93 7.3 6.8 11.8 282.9 86.0 67.09 11 69 7.11 6.61 1.8 3 4 15
2009 26 CHI QB 6 16 16 7-9-0 336 555 60.5 3666 27 4.9 26 4.7 71 6.6 5.5 10.9 229.1 76.8 41.34 35 204 5.87 4.80 5.9 2 4 10
2010 27 CHI QB 6 15 15 10-5-0 261 432 60.4 3274 23 5.3 16 3.7 89 7.6 7.0 12.5 218.3 86.3 43.91 52 352 6.04 5.50 10.7 4 4 12
2011 28 CHI QB 6 10 10 7-3-0 182 314 58.0 2319 13 4.1 7 2.2 56 7.4 7.2 12.7 231.9 85.7 57.75 23 159 6.41 6.25 6.8 1 1 7
2012 29 CHI QB 6 15 15 10-5-0 255 434 58.8 3033 19 4.4 14 3.2 60 7.0 6.4 11.9 202.2 81.3 48.5 38 250 5.90 5.37 8.1 1 1 11
2013 30 CHI QB 6 11 11 5-6-0 224 355 63.1 2621 19 5.4 12 3.4 67 7.4 6.9 11.7 238.3 89.2 67.07 19 132 6.66 6.23 5.1 3 3 9
2014 31 CHI QB 6 15 15 5-10-0 370 561 66.0 3812 28 5.0 18 3.2 74 6.8 6.3 10.3 254.1 88.6 52.77 38 223 5.99 5.57 6.3 1 1 11
2015 32 CHI QB 6 15 15 6-9-0 311 483 64.4 3659 21 4.3 11 2.3 87 7.6 7.4 11.8 243.9 92.3 60.67 29 150 6.85 6.71 5.7 4 4 12
2016 33 CHI qb 6 5 5 1-4-0 81 137 59.1 1059 4 2.9 5 3.6 54 7.7 6.7 13.1 211.8 78.1 33.1 17 104 6.20 5.26 11.0     2
Career       139 139 68-71-0 2782 4491 61.9 32467 208 4.6 146 3.3 93 7.2 6.7 11.7 233.6 85.7   302 1881 6.38 5.88 6.3 21 25 104
8 yrs CHI     102 102 51-51-0 2020 3271 61.8 23443 154 4.7 109 3.3 89 7.2 6.6 11.6 229.8 85.2   251 1574 6.21 5.69 7.1 16 18 74
3 yrs DEN     37 37 17-20-0 762 1220 62.5 9024 54 4.4 37 3.0 93 7.4 6.9 11.8 243.9 87.1   51 307 6.86 6.40 4.0 5 7 30
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6 hours ago, win4ever said:

God No.  

Have we not learned anything?  High interception guy who takes risks, with injury history and a well known locker room malcontent?  What could go wrong?

 

Some of the same folks who were saying Fitz had low risk and couldn't hurt the team are some of the same folks now advocating this silly move.

Petty vs Hack before Cutler!!!

 

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4 hours ago, Beerfish said:

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What a real owner and GM would be focused on. Stopgap in another year when the Brady Pats are intact is a waste of time. There is no point to CutlerHoyerRomoTaylor other than to fvkc up any chance at the above.

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7 hours ago, LockeJET said:

Everyone forgets that we have a coach and possibly a GM on the hot seat.. They are going to try and win now... This is terrible for the Jets unless the owner says to rebuild this thing and I'll give you a few more years.

you unfortunately make a good point.  This is the point where we need an owner with the guts to address the elephant in the room.

It's in the best interest of the Jets not to sign mediocre veterans, and instead play their young talent.  If it works out, great.  If not, hopefully we get the top pick.  However, this vision does not align with the incentives of Maccganan and Bowles given their contracts.  Woody needs to step in and somehow rectify this approaching trainwreck.

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2 hours ago, Bugg said:

What a real owner and GM would be focused on. Stopgap in another year when the Brady Pats are intact is a waste of time. There is no point to CutlerHoyerRomoTaylor other than to fvkc up any chance at the above.

You guys realize tanking is the most inexact science in sports

 

We could go 1-15 next year with Putrid and Wackyberg and still miss out on Darnold because the 49ers, who are in even way worse shape than us and just hired John Lynch just cuz, go 0-16

 

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2 minutes ago, thadude said:

You guys realize tanking is the most inexact science in sports

 

We could go 1-15 next year with Putrid and Wackyberg and still miss out on Darnold because the 49ers, who are in even way worse shape than us and just hired John Lynch just cuz, go 0-16

 

I fail to see how it is less exact than Jay Cutler or every other sh*tty option out there.

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2 minutes ago, jetscrazey said:

I fail to see how it is less exact than Jay Cutler or every other sh*tty option out there.

Because the goal is to try to win

 

Bryce Petty is a JAG and Hack doesn't even belong in the nfl

 

As much as you guys hate Cutler he is way better than any QB we had recently- and I don't even want him

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8 hours ago, LockeJET said:

Everyone forgets that we have a coach and possibly a GM on the hot seat.. They are going to try and win now... This is terrible for the Jets unless the owner says to rebuild this thing and I'll give you a few more years.

Ordinarily I'd agree, since I do agree in principle, except neither has earned a few more years of mulligans.

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8 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Ordinarily I'd agree, since I do agree in principle, except neither has earned a few more years of mulligans.

Yep.  giving Bowles and Macc two or three years in order to incentivize them to tank, putting aside whether tanking is a good idea (I don't think so, but...), is really the tail wagging the dog.  Guaranteeing them, even if they crap the bed over the next two to three years???  Ain't happening.

Tanking in any event assumes your FO will make good use of the draft picks.  I can't get on board assuming that they will.  Based on picking Leo?  That he had talent at 6 was a no brainer.  But the rest of the picks the last two have been on average mediocre.  Same for Bowles.  I am not negative on him like some.  But neither is he a proven success.

Says here a guarantee is a very bad idea, and probably won't happen.

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40 minutes ago, Big Blocker said:

Yep.  giving Bowles and Macc two or three years in order to incentivize them to tank, putting aside whether tanking is a good idea (I don't think so, but...), is really the tail wagging the dog.  Guaranteeing them, even if they crap the bed over the next two to three years???  Ain't happening.

Tanking in any event assumes your FO will make good use of the draft picks.  I can't get on board assuming that they will.  Based on picking Leo?  That he had talent at 6 was a no brainer.  But the rest of the picks the last two have been on average mediocre.  Same for Bowles.  I am not negative on him like some.  But neither is he a proven success.

Says here a guarantee is a very bad idea, and probably won't happen.

This is why those sh*tty coaches get extensions.  The team wants them to know that they are supported and that they should put the best interests of the team first, so they extend them for 2-3 years.  Then if they suck you can still fire them, you just have to pay them.  There are different ways to suck.  Fundamentally sound, but young and improving is okay at 6-10, but 8-8 with veterans going all out to win? No so much.  Chaos in the lockerroom?  Get to stepping and enjoy your 2 year severance package.

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You don;t sign Hoyer b/c he is the best QB on the market, you sign Hoyer b/c he is cheap, he is a vet and he won't expect to start without a competition, giving Petty and Hack an opportunity to win the starting job. You WANT one of those two to earn the starting gig, you WANT to see what they can do on the field with #1 reps. You NEED to figure out if either of these guys are worth holding out hope for. This will, in part, determine your decision making RE: QBs in the 2018 draft. It will determine how you approach free agency in 2018.   

What you DON'T want is to invest long term for a lot of money in a FA QB who has failed on another team and will expect to start- Glennon, Cutler, Taylor, etc. Not only will this QB tie you up financially- preventing you from improving other aspects of the team via FA, but he will hinder the development of your young QBs and he will be set up to fail b/c this is not currently a team that ONLY needs a QB. This team has a number of holes that need addressing.   

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35 minutes ago, Saul Goodman said:

Hack doesn't have a noodle arm. In fact, his arm is on par with Cutler's, which is/was one of the strongest in the league 

I agree 100%. Anyone who discredits Hack as a bust or suggests he will be out of the league in 2 years or equates his abilities with the fact that he did not play this season or acts like he is not an NFL QB even though he IS in the NFL and was drafted in the first 3 rounds, without EVER seeing him play substantial NFL minutes...is simply not worth arguing with. 

Until further notice, Hack is the future of this team at the QB position. Anyone who doesn't like it can yell and pout about it but it won't change things- until further notice. They should just grow up and give the kid a chance. And they need to stop acting like they know more about young developmental players on the Jets than the Jet Brass- in particular the guy that scouted him, drafted him and has access to his coaches, trainers, etc.

Hack could be a total bust. But until we actually see him play, we don't know what he will turn into. His intangibles and measurables scream Franchise QB. His inconsistency and weaknesses scream bust. We will see. But right now, in my opinion, the outlook is not nearly as bad as so many fans make it seem.    

Oh, and the assumption that Darnold is guaranteed to be some superstar QB and that we are somehow guaranteed to draft him if we tank is absolutely laughable. 

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I saw in one poll a high number of fans voting for Hack as our 2017 starter. Not nearly as many for Petty. I guess the unknown is more attractive than what we saw from Petty which to me was that he could be an NFL Qb but probably not at this point a starter, Positive stories about Hack apparently have influenced some of you and the hope that this guy is going to be a good player. But for 2017 I'd take a vet and Cutler over Hack. With good coaching he could be a marked improvement over what we had from the Qb position in 2016 which was mediocre. If the Jets can sign him to a favorable deal that is not too long term I'd have no objection. If they feel that Hack could be ready then get a cheaper option like a Hoyer who could start if Hack isn't ready in Sept. I personally do not have confidence that Hack is going to be our starter. If Mac gives him more chances than he deserves just to prove he was right drafting him then it could be a big problem. I'd go if available with TT as our long term Jets Qb and give him a good contract.

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1 hour ago, PepPep said:

You don;t sign Hoyer b/c he is the best QB on the market, you sign Hoyer b/c he is cheap, he is a vet and he won't expect to start without a competition, giving Petty and Hack an opportunity to win the starting job. You WANT one of those two to earn the starting gig, you WANT to see what they can do on the field with #1 reps. You NEED to figure out if either of these guys are worth holding out hope for. This will, in part, determine your decision making RE: QBs in the 2018 draft. It will determine how you approach free agency in 2018.   

What you DON'T want is to invest long term for a lot of money in a FA QB who has failed on another team and will expect to start- Glennon, Cutler, Taylor, etc. Not only will this QB tie you up financially- preventing you from improving other aspects of the team via FA, but he will hinder the development of your young QBs and he will be set up to fail b/c this is not currently a team that ONLY needs a QB. This team has a number of holes that need addressing.   

Well said. I think you pretty much nailed it here.

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