Tony Jefferson News

[T0mShane]

3 hours ago, Tinstar said:

Then you're probably not going to like my #2 target either. I want Jefferson to lead our secondary because he knows Bowles scheme and Minter to lead our Linebackers for the same reason. If I can replace a 34 year old Harris with a 27 year old Minter and save some cap money, it's a done deal .  Our secondary needs an on the field leader to help them line up properly after what we saw last yr . 

We should definitely tie up a bunch of cap space in two former UDFA defensive players who looked really good when the Cardinals offense was scoring 35 points per game but sucked otherwise. 

[UnitedWhofans]

7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

We should definitely tie up a bunch of cap space in two former UDFA defensive players who looked really good when the Cardinals offense was scoring 35 points per game but sucked otherwise. 

Well Jefferson would replace Pryor. If you think Pryor is good, keep him. If not get this guy in.

Plus:

The metrics at PFF actually placed Jefferson slightly ahead of Eric Berry in 2016. He’s also a full three years younger than the KC star. 

[Butterfield]

9 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

We should definitely tie up a bunch of cap space in two former UDFA defensive players who looked really good when the Cardinals offense was scoring 35 points per game but sucked otherwise. 

Minter was a 2nd round pick.  Not that it should matter.

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Butterfield said:

Minter was a 2nd round pick.

Oh man. The Cardinals would let a highly drafted ILB walk after his rookie contract was up? 

[chirorob]

30 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

Why do people always say this when talking about Sanchez .   The Jets built a team with aging vets that could carry a young QB . They did for 2 years, but when it came time for the QB to carry the team 3 years into his tenure in the same scheme, he failed miserably . 

The  Seahawks did the exact same thing and put Russell Wilson behind center . The defense and the running game took him to a super bowl . When the RB and the defense fell off due to injuries, Wilson got better and made plays to keep his team in contention .  

Mark Sanchez failed the Jets, not the other way around . Just exactly how long are you supposed to keep veteran Players whose price tag only gets higher ?

I'm not arguing.  Now, they gutted that team, but Sanchez 100% did not get it done.   How they built around him before he got there was done well, so a young QB didn't have to carry the team, but when he needed to, he did not grow or improve, and still hasn't.  My point it, if the QB is not there, you build the team, so when you do find one in 2047 the team is ready to compete.

[nyjbuddy]

4 hours ago, KRL said:

Hopefully we get Jefferson then turn around and trade Pryor for a #5 / #6 round pick

The Jets will probably sign Jefferson, fail to trade Pryor and draft Adams with the 6th pick, then move Pryor to FS and Adams to CB to get them all on the field and then wonder why it didn't work.

[T0mShane]

11 minutes ago, chirorob said:

I'm not arguing.  Now, they gutted that team, but Sanchez 100% did not get it done.   How they built around him before he got there was done well, so a young QB didn't have to carry the team, but when he needed to, he did not grow or improve, and still hasn't.  My point it, if the QB is not there, you build the team, so when you do find one in 2047 the team is ready to compete.

Rex brought in Plaxico Burress and Derrick Mason during the 2011 offseason. Along with Santonio Holmes, they tortured Sanchez so brutally that the team had to dump Mason before the season even started. Sanchez may have sucked, but Rex surrounding him with castoff psychopaths did him no favors. What a ******* moron Rex was.

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, nyjbuddy said:

The Jets will probably sign Jefferson, fail to trade Pryor and draft Adams with the 6th pick, then move Pryor to FS and Adams to CB to get them all on the field and then wonder why it didn't work.

This guy gets it.

[SR24]

Still rather go for Bouye or Gilmore. Since we'll have a shot at either Adams or Hooker

[chirorob]

40 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Rex brought in Plaxico Burress and Derrick Mason during the 2011 offseason. Along with Santonio Holmes, they tortured Sanchez so brutally that the team had to dump Mason before the season even started. Sanchez may have sucked, but Rex surrounding him with castoff psychopaths did him no favors. What a ******* moron Rex was.

Plaxico and Mason was bizarre, leading to Cotchery wanting out.  

You lose a team leader and a guy the fans still love for Cheddar Bob and Mason (who couldn't make it through a season)

[varjet]

4 hours ago, nyjbuddy said:

The Jets will probably sign Jefferson, fail to trade Pryor and draft Adams with the 6th pick, then move Pryor to FS and Adams to CB to get them all on the field and then wonder why it didn't work.

This is great.

I think the Jets are assuming that Adams is gone before they pick.  Adams could play FS.  Pryor cannot.

[Tinstar]

8 hours ago, varjet said:

This is great.

I think the Jets are assuming that Adams is gone before they pick.  Adams could play FS.  Pryor cannot.

There's a kid that plays safety for the Richmond Spiders that would make a great free safety for us .

[C Mart]

found this interesting

Tony Jefferson

FS  Oklahoma

Jefferson will not meet all NFL teams size requirements for the safety position, but they overlook him at their own risk. The success of pro safeties with similar measurements like Jairus Byrd, Troy Polamalu, T.J. Ward, and Donte Whitner will undoubtedly help Oklahomas strong and athletic defender get his chance as an early selection at the next level.

His lack of height obviously didnt turn off major college programs from chasing Jefferson, a top-100 prospect out of California. It also didnt keep him off the field for the Sooners in his first year on campus, as he started nine contests as an extra defensive back and earned the Big 12s Defensive Freshman of the Year award with 65 tackles, seven for loss, seven pass break-ups and two interceptions - one which he returned for a 22-yard touchdown against Connecticut in the teams Fiesta Bowl victory. Jeffersons role only got bigger as a sophomore, as he started 12 games (played sparingly vs. Texas A&M with a right knee injury), making plays near the line against the run and as a blitzer (74 tackles, 7.5 for loss, 4.5 sacks) while also leading the team with four interceptions (three coming against Ball State). He was an honorable mention All-Big 12 pick (coaches, media) in 2011. In his junior season, Jefferson recorded 119 tackles, two interceptions, and three passes defended. He was named a second-team AP All-American for his efforts.

Analysis

Strengths

Athletic, tough-minded safety. Plays all over the field, in a stack, on slot receivers, and single-high. Can lay the wood. Explosive blitzer who times his start well and brings pop as a tackler. Discards poor blocking attempts by fullbacks and receivers with hands and tenacity to make a play on the ball. Maintains outside leverage when playing containment responsibilities to force run plays inside. Good ball skills, follows receivers eyes in man or keeps his in the backfield in zone to break on passes. Flashes the hands to make the one-handed grab and is competitive in 50/50 and jump ball situations. Covers running backs on wheel routes adeptly, and can take away safety valve routes from slot receivers. Should be a special teams force early in his career due to his aggressive nature, speed, and tackling ability. Infectious attitude that helps him be a team leader.

Weaknesses

Short and lacks the ideal bulk for a NFL defensive back. Does not have elite speed, will fall behind better slot receivers on crosses if unable to get a hand on them off the line. Stays high in his backpedal and will stop his feet when lined up off the slot, receivers can eat up cushion. Linemen and tight ends use their superior size and length to engulf him in the run game. Poor tackling technique, will launch himself or dive at ball carriers, resulting in missed tackles.

NFL Comparison

T.J. Ward

Bottom Line

Though shorter than most top safety prospects, Jeffersons leadership skills, physicality around the line of scrimmage and his coverage skills will entice teams to pick him early in the 2013 draft.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/tony-jefferson?id=2540164

[Maxman]

On 3/2/2017 at 0:44 PM, Lupz27 said:

So what happens in 2018 when Bowles is gone, and we are running say a Tampa 2 type D, and both Jefferson, and Minter are useless to the new coach, and are making big FA $$$$?  You can't approach FA if your Macc to accommodate/tailor to Bowles D, Bowles is a D coach let him coach up the talent you give him, don't look for Bowles specialists, and hand them larges sums of money.  The only guys the Jets should be handing large sums of money to this off season are CB's who can cover soft, or bump, and play zone, natural edge rusher from stand up, or hand in the dirt, and OL who can block.  I'd list QB to, but there just isn't one worth backing the brinks truck up for.  I don't know if you see the theme here, but it's geared towards stopping the other teams QB be it from coverage, or rushing him, and protecting whom ever is behind center for the Jets this coming season, those are the 2 most important things in football, so that is where you spend your money.

All the moves in 2017 show one thing, Bowles and Macc will both be back in 2018. (test edit)(test edit again to be safe)

[Tinstar]

1 minute ago, Maxman said:

All the moves in 2017 show one thing, Bowles and Macc will both be back in 2018.

I agree with this post .

[C Mart]

Jason Cole (@JasonColeBR)

3/5/17, 9:25 AM

According to agent who reps a free agent safety, expect #Cardinals S Tony Jefferson to avg about $7M per year. Others at about $5.5M per

 

[varjet]

Can someone explain to me what combinations of the following players can work as safeties?

Jefferson, Gilcrist, Pryor, Adams, Hooker, Middleton.

Jefferson was listed as a FS coming out of college.

If we can replace Gilcrist with Jefferson that would be great.

[Tinstar]

35 minutes ago, C Mart said:

Jason Cole (@JasonColeBR)

3/5/17, 9:25 AM

According to agent who reps a free agent safety, expect #Cardinals S Tony Jefferson to avg about $7M per year. Others at about $5.5M per

 

Right about where I placed him .  He's 26, can cover and come down and support the run something Pryor is incapable of doing .  This cat should be our 1st priority because he has proven he can do the job and he knows the defensive scheme he would be going into .  To come from where he was to where he is, shows his desire and dedication to his craft . He would be an asset in our secondary .

[Tinstar]

10 minutes ago, varjet said:

Can someone explain to me what combinations of the following players can work as safeties?

Jefferson, Gilcrist, Pryor, Adams, Hooker, Middleton.

Jefferson was listed as a FS coming out of college.

If we can replace Gilcrist with Jefferson that would be great.

Jefferson and Middleton is who I would like to see as the starting safeties . Both these guys are interchangeable at the safety position with pretty much identical skill sets.

[section314]

6 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

Right about where I placed him .  He's 26, can cover and come down and support the run something Pryor is incapable of doing .  This cat should be our 1st priority because he has proven he can do the job and he knows the defensive scheme he would be going into .  To come from where he was to where he is, shows his desire and dedication to his craft . He would be an asset in our secondary .

More important, to me ,at least, is it shows the kid is capable of being coached, something Pryor has shown he's not. Unless he is just so bad, Vince Lombardi couldn't help him.

[varjet]

The next question is whether we can count on him for 4 years.

Adams will be gone.  Hooker maybe too-depending on health. No one wants another Milliner.  If you got hurt in college, you will likely get hurt in the NFL.  

[Jetsbb]

On 3/2/2017 at 2:46 PM, KRL said:

Hopefully we get Jefferson then turn around and trade Pryor for a #5 / #6 round pick

WTF?!?!? Its worth keeping Calvin even as a backup if your only going to get a 6th or 5th pick round pick. Why are we forgetting he played outstanding his first year under Bowles? Maybe Revis in tank "I don't give a **** I have my money" attitude rubbed off on the secondary. 

[Wolfie2144]

I would love to sign Jefferson and pair him with Malik Hooker.

[ScarletKnight89]

On 3/2/2017 at 2:56 PM, Lupz27 said:

Not to mention he is possibly a scheme specific player, and the HC running the scheme probably won't be back after next season, and lets lock Jefferson up for 4 years, and the new incoming coach might have a player he has no use for in the final 3 years of the contract sounds sure fire Jets.

But then what do you want to do for next season? Cause the Jets goal is to be competitive and try to win. 

It sounds like you've already written off this regime which isnt completely fair IMO. If your mindset is just going to be "it's a dumb signing because the Jets are going to lose and fire everyone" I mean, your entitled to your opinion. But the Jets are going to try and win. The idea of potentially adding a good young player with the ability to grow with the team isn't a bad idea IMO. 

Of course it depends on the price. I'm not in love with Jefferson. But the idea of going after youth  in Free Agency is a welcome change.

[Tinstar]

6 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

But then what do you want to do for next season? Cause the Jets goal is to be competitive and try to win. 

It sounds like you've already written off this regime which isnt completely fair IMO. If your mindset is just going to be "it's a dumb signing because the Jets are going to lose and fire everyone" I mean, your entitled to your opinion. But the Jets are going to try and win. The idea of potentially adding a good young player with the ability to grow with the team isn't a bad idea IMO. 

Of course it depends on the price. I'm not in love with Jefferson. But the idea of going after youth  in Free Agency is a welcome change.

What the vast majority of the posters here want have absolutely nothing to do with the Jets and everything to do with them . There's 1 truth, and everything else should extend from that truth . Todd Bowles is the HC of  the Jets, and what's best for the jets is what he wants based on input from his coaches, and the scouting staff all working towards the same goal .

   

[Powpow]

On 3/2/2017 at 3:36 PM, JiF said:

I'd prefer Minter to Jefferson because it's going to fill a need.  But that's also because I think Todd Bowles is a moron and has a great S he doesnt play in Rontez Miles.  He's 10x better than Calvin Pryor. 

That said, I wouldnt touch either of them because neither are really difference makers.  Jefferson is basically a LB.

Jiffy pop. Rontez Miles is da bomb. Play maker who needs to play! Trade Pryor, cut Skrine, get rid of these hasbeens. The secondary can be remade quickly and efficiently with smart moves and a few draft picks. CB is deep in his upcoming draft. Mac needs to find 2 gems and sign 2 free agents on the back end.