Report: Jets management doesn't expect to be good for a couple years

[Jetdawgg]

59 minutes ago, SAR I said:

For a guy who supposedly is a diehard Jets fan you spend a lot of time personally attacking other Jets fans.

SAR I

.?????? Go figure

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/articles/battle-for-sirte

[Integrity28]

1 hour ago, joewilly12 said:

Last year the Jets motto was something like faster stronger and greener what will it be this year. 

faster stronger joewilly-er

[Integrity28]

50 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Were we all that much better than the Browns last year, with all that high-priced talent on the team?

When you're ALREADY as bad as the Browns, it's really not that much of a risk.

People forget that by the end of last year, we were a bottom 3 team. Regardless of record, sh*t just got worse. Other than Leonard Williams, Robbie Anderson and James Carpenter, nobody seemed to give any ****s.

[kmnj]

jets management if you are reading this how about u give me my psl money back and I walk away? dont think having stupid in game gimmicks like throwing $5 t shirts in the game is going to get me as a fan excited about the garbage product you are selling

[varjet]

This expectation, if true, is not only realistic, but tells me that the Jets may be trying to rebuild from the bottom up and will not spend money to be just "decent".

The question that I then have is then what do you spend some money on this year, or do they just hoard it?

In a league where half the teams have genuine number 1 receivers, not signing a FA CB1 is probably a good way to lose almost all of your games. 

We will soon see.  Maybe this is the return of Idzik 2014.

 

[JetFreak89]

1 hour ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

I completely agree. I'm not a fan of cutting Marshall. Him and Decker made Fitz look like a decent NFL QB. I'd love to see both of them on the field with Enunwa and Anderson with a young QB or even a vet whose better than Fitz.

Marshall is/was no doubt a great receiver but based on last year alone, I can understand why they made the move. First, sounds like he asked for his release in order to compete. You think Marshall had concentration issues last year? Imagine what it would have looked like this year, having forced him to stay with a young QB. He's impressed me with the turn around in his personality but there were still flareups every now and then. I think he could be toxic to a young QB and I think it was the right move letting him leave. 

[chirorob]

28 minutes ago, RoadFan said:

Well... I consider your post an improvement.   For awhile there you wouldn't even acknowledge there is such a thing as a rebuild.

Look at the Detroit Red Wings.  Great example. A model franchise of NHL success for 60 years currently stuck at the bottom of the standings.  They will be back on top... but it will take time and patience.

The Jets have to do this.  The Browns model in place by the analytics guys is the correct one.  Execution is the only question mark. It appears that the Jets front office finally figured it out.  I think the Browns will be playing 8-8 ball in 2018 and/or 2019.  And possibly contending for AFCN titles beyond that when Ben and Flacco slow down.

To be fair, Idzik had the right idea.  He was stuck with a bad HC.

Oh, and he blew every freaking draft pick!

[SAR I]

1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

why would people want to pay for PSLs in a worse football stadium for the fans?

the UD wasn't full in 2010 and a main reason the stadium was close to full was b/c opposing fans were filling the stadium.   people didn't all of a sudden realize b/c we missed the playoffs in 2011 that we would suck for the next 5-7 years and stop going.  at the time we missed in 2011 we still had talent and a good coach and our longest playoff drought from 1998-2010 was 2 seasons so it was reasonable to think we'd be back w/in a year or 2.

I go when I want to go now and I pay what I want to pay rather than being locked into a worthless PSL.

First, MetLife is way better than Giants Stadium ever was.  That place was a 1970's dump, not enough concessions, too few bathrooms, the place was a cold, dreary nightmare with long lines and leaky ceilings.

Next, it doesn't matter how the fans are composed, we have a full stadium.  Enemy fans are everywhere.  Did you see the Rangers game last night in Boston against the Bruins?  When the Rangers scored you'd have sworn the game was in New York.  It is a fact of life now that fans of sports teams travel to see them play, it's a lot of fun, and its not that much more expensive to get a cheap flight these days.

The argument for being an a-la-carte fan is compelling but so is being a PSL fan.  A-la-carte you get to save money.  PSL owners have fun money to burn.  You never sit next to the same fans twice.  We get to bond with life-long new friends.  You have to worry about online scams and double-dipped QR codes.  We just jump in the car and go.  Boils down to money and convenience.  Neither approach is wrong.

Oh, and the PSL has value.  It's not financial.  You needed to be on the waitlist for 15 years to understand why.

SAR I

[SAR I]

1 hour ago, joewilly12 said:

Just because many of us opted out of season tickets and PSL's doesn't mean we were done with the Jets we chose not to participate in the Woody Johnson Ponzi scheme. 

I have not personally attacked anyone, how original. 

You on the other hand should be ashamed of yourself to even make a statement like that after all the drivel and negative stuff you post about others on this forum. 

1.  Using an NFL owner trying to make money on his investment a "ponzi schemer" is just code for fans who used it as an excuse to stop supporting the team by attending games. 

2.  I don't attack other fans.  I attack subject matter.  You should learn the difference.

SAR I

[SAR I]

1 hour ago, kevinc855 said:

are we "rebuilding" or turning into the Browns, Don't be so sold on the catchy term of "rebuild". Its a gamble

Bingo.

Most rebuilds lead nowhere but oblivion.  The Bills haven't made the playoffs since 1999.  17 years.  They had some hot-name coordinators as head coaches.  They had pro bowl playmakers.  It's led them nowhere.  Dolphins, Raiders, Jaguars, Browns, half the teams in the AFC went a decade or more without sniffing the playoffs.

Then you have the elite teams with the elite quarterbacks.  Patriots, Steelers, Colts.

And then you have this one anomaly.  A team that didn't have an elite quarterback and didn't full-on rebuild, yet they produced some exciting winning seasons, played in a bunch of playoff games, and came within a whisker of the Super Bowl, twice.

Woody Johnson and Mike Tannenbaum were onto something.  In an era where Brady, Manning, and Roethlisberger blocked the AFC, George Steinbrenner spending in the free agent market actually worked.  I'm not so sure it's not worth a shot now that those HOF'ers are almost gone.

SAR I

[nyjunc]

4 minutes ago, SAR I said:

First, MetLife is way better than Giants Stadium ever was.  That place was a 1970's dump, not enough concessions, too few bathrooms, the place was a cold, dreary nightmare with long lines and leaky ceilings.

Next, it doesn't matter how the fans are composed, we have a full stadium.  Enemy fans are everywhere.  Did you see the Rangers game last night in Boston against the Bruins?  When the Rangers scored you'd have sworn the game was in New York.  It is a fact of life now that fans of sports teams travel to see them play, it's a lot of fun, and its not that much more expensive to get a cheap flight these days.

The argument for being an a-la-carte fan is compelling but so is being a PSL fan.  A-la-carte you get to save money.  PSL owners have fun money to burn.  You never sit next to the same fans twice.  We get to bond with life-long new friends.  You have to worry about online scams and double-dipped QR codes.  We just jump in the car and go.  Boils down to money and convenience.  Neither approach is wrong.

Oh, and the PSL has value.  It's not financial.  You needed to be on the waitlist for 15 years to understand why.

SAR I

as a football stadium for fans? it's not even close to the old stadium.  every seat was a good seat in the old stadium.

I don't go to games to drink and eat, I go to watch football so concessions mean nothing to me.

it does matter if our stadium is full of opposing fans.

I went to games for 20+ years, I sat in the same seats for about 15 of them.  I couldn't care less about seeing the same people. again, I am there to watch football, I have enough friends and family.  it's nice to say hello but I am not sitting there cahtting w/ the guy next to me while the game is going on.

everyone is entitled to make their own decisions, PSLs work out for you,  for me it makes no sense especially since I don't care about going to games the way I used to.  when I used to go to every game maybe it would have made more sense?  but at this point it does not.

[SAR I]

1 hour ago, NYJ37/12 said:

Good point, but I would add that when Marshall is not happy with his qb (see last year), he becomes a disinterested drop machine. Would hate to lose Decker as I think he does have value with a young wr group.

I agree.  But tell me, do you think we will find a WR with Marshall's skillset at Marshall's price who will be patient with the young QB's and their growing pains?  That's the problem.

SAR I

[joewilly12]

1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

as a football stadium for fans? it's not even close to the old stadium.  every seat was a good seat in the old stadium.

I don't go to games to drink and eat, I go to watch football so concessions mean nothing to me.

it does matter if our stadium is full of opposing fans.

I went to games for 20+ years, I sat in the same seats for about 15 of them.  I couldn't care less about seeing the same people. again, I am there to watch football, I have enough friends and family.  it's nice to say hello but I am not sitting there cahtting w/ the guy next to me while the game is going on.

everyone is entitled to make their own decisions, PSLs work out for you,  for me it makes no sense especially since I don't care about going to games the way I used to.  when I used to go to every game maybe it would have made more sense?  but at this point it does not.

Excellent post nyjunc and for the record I agree and feel the same way the new stadium isn't what it could and should have been. 

[section314]

Just now, SAR I said:

I agree.  But tell me, do you think we will find a WR with Marshall's skillset at Marshall's price who will be patient with the young QB's and their growing pains?  That's the problem.

SAR I

Draft Mike Williams. Fits all of the above criteria, and then some.

[sourceworx]

9 minutes ago, chirorob said:

To be fair, Idzik had the right idea.  He was stuck with a bad HC.

Oh, and he blew every freaking draft pick!

This. His strategy was correct. His execution of it was atrocious.

[joewilly12]

1 minute ago, SAR I said:

I agree.  But tell me, do you think we will find a WR with Marshall's skillset at Marshall's price who will be patient with the young QB's and their growing pains?  That's the problem.

SAR I

Good point SAR I but didnt Marshall seem to quit on any QB not named Fitzpatrick last season. 

[SAR I]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Were we all that much better than the Browns last year, with all that high-priced talent on the team?

When you're ALREADY as bad as the Browns, it's really not that much of a risk.

Going to take heat for this, but we had a quarterback on the roster who was capable of winning 5 games last year and it wasn't Bryce Petty.

We actually are getting worse than last year.  Much worse.  The OL without Mangold, the WR's without Marshall and Decker, and yes, the QB's without Fitzpatrick.  People assume we'll find someone better.  Well, I don't think so.  I don't think any decent FA QB is coming here, why would Glennon seek out the Jets to get murdered behind our OL without the Marshall/Decker twins and experienced Chan Gailey as an enticement?  This isn't addition-by-subtraction.  It's just subtraction.

Rock, meet bottom.

SAR I

[SAR I]

1 hour ago, peebag said:

I own a Dodge Stratus.

Is that a car?  I thought that company only made Chrysler's.

SAR I

[SAR I]

1 hour ago, The Crusher said:

Sam Darnold will turn those PSLs into a Willy Wonka Golden ticket. Waiting list 13.5 years Second he walks on stage. 

If Mark is onboard, I'm onboard.

SAR I

[SAR I]

38 minutes ago, Jetdawgg said:

.?????? Go figure

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/articles/battle-for-sirte

The Air Force has prettier uniforms and prettier planes.  No knock on the Marines, they're okay.

SAR I

[SAR I]

34 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

People forget that by the end of last year, we were a bottom 3 team. Regardless of record, sh*t just got worse. Other than Leonard Williams, Robbie Anderson and James Carpenter, nobody seemed to give any ****s.

....and that's the problem right there.

This head coach has proven one thing:  He's not the right guy for a rebuild.  If he couldn't motivate his team last year, how is he going to do it this year?  Subtracting whiners from the locker room doesn't make the rest of them covered in happy fairy dust.

SAR I

[nyjunc]

20 minutes ago, chirorob said:

To be fair, Idzik had the right idea.  He was stuck with a bad HC.

Oh, and he blew every freaking draft pick!

he wasn't stuck w/ a bad HC, he had a good HC.  Idzik did have the right idea he just couldn't execute it from pushing to start geno to his disastrous 12 player draft in a strong draft which is really why we are where we are.

[joewilly12]

1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

he wasn't stuck w/ a bad HC, he had a good HC.  Idzik did have the right idea he just couldn't execute it from pushing to start geno to his disastrous 12 player draft in a strong draft which is really why we are where we are.

Idzik continued the trend of bad drafting it seems to be a black cloud over this organization we just dont understand the draft. 

[joewilly12]

Hand the starting QB job to Hackenberg see how it plays out worse case scenario he fails and we get Sam Darnold the QB everyone seems to covet or Hackenberg turns out to the be the guy better than throwing money at unproven talent or other teams garbage QB's. 

[ScarletKnight89]

44 minutes ago, JetFreak89 said:

Marshall is/was no doubt a great receiver but based on last year alone, I can understand why they made the move. First, sounds like he asked for his release in order to compete. You think Marshall had concentration issues last year? Imagine what it would have looked like this year, having forced him to stay with a young QB. He's impressed me with the turn around in his personality but there were still flareups every now and then. I think he could be toxic to a young QB and I think it was the right move letting him leave. 

Yeah I understand that argument. I just think he could have been a great asset to a young QB or a Free Agent.

[nyjunc]

19 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Idzik continued the trend of bad drafting it seems to be a black cloud over this organization we just dont understand the draft. 

we didn't draft poorly under tannenbaum, he just liked to trade away picks.  

[thadude]

35 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

as a football stadium for fans? it's not even close to the old stadium.  every seat was a good seat in the old stadium.

I don't go to games to drink and eat, I go to watch football so concessions mean nothing to me.

it does matter if our stadium is full of opposing fans.

I went to games for 20+ years, I sat in the same seats for about 15 of them.  I couldn't care less about seeing the same people. again, I am there to watch football, I have enough friends and family.  it's nice to say hello but I am not sitting there cahtting w/ the guy next to me while the game is going on.

everyone is entitled to make their own decisions, PSLs work out for you,  for me it makes no sense especially since I don't care about going to games the way I used to.  when I used to go to every game maybe it would have made more sense?  but at this point it does not.

MetLife is such a microcosm of NYC

 

Overpriced and ugly

 

I get replacing Yankee stadium and Shea stadium but there was nothing wrong with Giants stadium

[ScarletKnight89]

15 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Hand the starting QB job to Hackenberg see how it plays out worse case scenario he fails and we get Sam Darnold the QB everyone seems to covet or Hackenberg turns out to the be the guy better than throwing money at unproven talent or other teams garbage QB's. 

I'm not against that scenario at all. Problem is, Macc and Bowles aren't going to sacrifice their jobs like that. They are going to try and put a competitive team on the field. I still think we end up with Cutler or maybe Tyrod Taylor at QB. Glennon possibly as well.

[ScarletKnight89]

1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

we didn't draft poorly under tannenbaum, he just liked to trade away picks.  

I know you like Sanchez, but regardless, him and Gholston back to back was brutal for us. Neither are on the team anymore. He struck out in the top 6 in back to back years.

Even if you like Sanchez, the fact that we drafted him in 2009 and he's no longer our QB is bad.

[nyjunc]

4 minutes ago, thadude said:

MetLife is such a microcosm of NYC

 

Overpriced and ugly

 

I get replacing Yankee stadium and Shea stadium but there was nothing wrong with Giants stadium

I hated playing in "Giants Stadium", I hated the blue and red seats but as a football stadium it was perfect.

3 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

I know you like Sanchez, but regardless, him and Gholston back to back was brutal for us. Neither are on the team anymore. He struck out in the top 6 in back to back years.

Even if you like Sanchez, the fact that we drafted him in 2009 and he's no longer our QB is bad.

you can't compare mark to gholston. Mark was vital to both title game runs, the problem wasn't Mark it was the talent around him.  when he had it he was successful, when he didn't he sucked.

he's no longer here b/c of Idzik- the man who destroyed our franchise.  

[Warfish]

41 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Going to take heat for this, but we had a quarterback on the roster who was capable of winning 5 games last year and it wasn't Bryce Petty.

We actually are getting worse than last year.  Much worse.  The OL without Mangold, the WR's without Marshall and Decker, and yes, the QB's without Fitzpatrick.  People assume we'll find someone better.  Well, I don't think so.  I don't think any decent FA QB is coming here, why would Glennon seek out the Jets to get murdered behind our OL without the Marshall/Decker twins and experienced Chan Gailey as an enticement?  This isn't addition-by-subtraction.  It's just subtraction.

Rock, meet bottom.

SAR I

The addition part will come.

Over the next few years.

We have little choice but to wait, and let it play out.

[jmat321]

It's time for a proper tank job.  No more band aids.  I personally think we'll be very competitive come 2019, and it will be all worth it.

As for the stadium and psls, it is what it is.  Personally I come to watch football, and I want football culture, which doesn't exist at Metlife.  That includes crowd noise, drunks, chants, tailgating, t!ts, good sight lines, etc.  I'll not there to watch ballet.

 

 

[rammagen]

15 hours ago, King P said:

http://draftanalyst.com/combine-report-32-free-agency-rumors-more

wow so they are finally seeing what we the fans have said for how long ?

[NYJ37/12]

1 hour ago, SAR I said:

I agree.  But tell me, do you think we will find a WR with Marshall's skillset at Marshall's price who will be patient with the young QB's and their growing pains?  That's the problem.

SAR I

 Probably not but I'm hoping its Enunwa

[UntouchableCrew]

1 hour ago, SAR I said:

Bingo.

Most rebuilds lead nowhere but oblivion.  The Bills haven't made the playoffs since 1999.  17 years.  They had some hot-name coordinators as head coaches.  They had pro bowl playmakers.  It's led them nowhere.  Dolphins, Raiders, Jaguars, Browns, half the teams in the AFC went a decade or more without sniffing the playoffs.

Then you have the elite teams with the elite quarterbacks.  Patriots, Steelers, Colts.

And then you have this one anomaly.  A team that didn't have an elite quarterback and didn't full-on rebuild, yet they produced some exciting winning seasons, played in a bunch of playoff games, and came within a whisker of the Super Bowl, twice.

Woody Johnson and Mike Tannenbaum were onto something.  In an era where Brady, Manning, and Roethlisberger blocked the AFC, George Steinbrenner spending in the free agent market actually worked.  I'm not so sure it's not worth a shot now that those HOF'ers are almost gone.

SAR I

I don't see why people are mixing up notions of attempting to rebuild with rebuilding successfully.

Clearly teams that miss the playoffs for 17 years aren't dumb for trying to rebuild they're just failing in their efforts to rebuild.

The Jets need to rebuild through the draft. They just need to do it successfully by landing a QB and hitting on most of their picks. This is Mike Macagnans job.