JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: It's not. But it's a bad look in general. I would rather lose professionally than look like a madhouse If we end up with a franchise QB in next year's draft I'm not going to care how we looked getting to that point. There are any number of free agent lbers that could replace Harris. Will they be as good? Probably not. But we aren't in win now mode anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Blaq218 said: "Cardinals linebacker Kevin Minter wants to finish his career in Arizona" http://arizonasports.com/story/985624/kevin-minter-finish-career-in-arizona/ Yeah, provided they offer him the most money..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, dbatesman said: Great. Then sign some bum off the street, or draft one on day 3, or pick up a UDFA. But there is no reason a rebuilding team should be paying $6.5 million to a 33-year-old who runs like he has a load in his pants and can't cover a corpse with a blanket. It's not a good look to get caught with your pants down. Period. Regardless of tanking or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 55 minutes ago, prime21 said: Although he has aged, he did lead the team in tackles last season again. That might be more of an indication of the talent around him than anything else but Harris definitely contributes on the field. I would hope that if we do sign a younger LB that Harris gets a reworked contract to remain with the club. Harris is a tackling machine. Efficient and trustworthy. I love that. Buuut... in 2017, at his price, and his slow plodding big boy style, hes outdated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 It's the same reason Marcus Gilchrist hasn't been cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 hour ago, thadude said: $6.5 million cap savings if cut. A total, and complete liability in coverage. Basically he's a very expensive 2-down Inside Linebacker And it's not like there are better, cheaper alternatives in free agency and the draft who can do stuff, like cover The advantage you gain cutting him today? I know it's the 100th time you've brought this up, sweat that he's a liability on the field but the disadvantage to keeping him on the roster until a suitable replacement is found? Just creates a whole lot of responses ask why rush for you to negative rep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: It's the same reason Marcus Gilchrist hasn't been cut. I think there is an injury issue with Gilchrist, right? They can't cut him without an injury settlement at this point in time. No worries, he'll be gone in due time... long before the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 23 minutes ago, thadude said: Yeah and when Harris is starting for us next season and getting shat on every Sunday by JAG TE's and RB's (again) what will be the excuse? That we would have been better off cutting him early because now we're down a LB and somehow that's a better situation? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 39 minutes ago, Dcat said: when the Jets find a suitable replacement, he can be cut. There is no additional benefit for the Jets by cutting him today rather than a month or so from now. There's no roster bonus pinned to any specific date. We save the same cap room if he is cut March 7th or May 7th. He can be cut before that, but there's little to no benefit until the time comes that we need his cap space now and can't wait another 1-5 months to clear it. Actually with the carry-over rules, even that isn't really a reason. If the team is looking to enter negotiations with another ILB to replace him, a gaping hole at the position would cloud such negotiations. Therefore keep him on the roster for now. If the team is looking to draft an ILB tor replace him (please, Lord, not in round 1) then a gaping hole at the position might cause another team to leapfrog us because they covet the same player. Cutting him today will make the starting roster look that much more barren, and could theoretically affect incoming FAs (at other positions) deciding against coming here. Also whatever options the team may want to seek - hopefully not - of bringing him back again, but for less money. He should be cut this year, but agree cutting him this week would constitute doing it just to do it (just to feed the fans who want all things right now). Or the only other "benefit" is giving him his freedom while every team still has all their cap space. It's a nice thing to do, to "do right by" a career Jet, but it doesn't help the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 9 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: It's not a good look to get caught with your pants down. Period. Regardless of tanking or not 4 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: It's the same reason Marcus Gilchrist hasn't been cut. Right. We can't get rid of our expensive middling players until we sign other expensive middling players to replace them. This is exactly the kind of foolishness I'm talking about. A team that's starting Wesley Johnson and Robby Anderson and Darron Lee has no use for guys like David Harris and Marcus Gilchrist. None. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said: He can be cut before that, but there's little to no benefit until the time comes that we need his cap space now and can't wait 1-5 months to clear it. Actually with the carry-over rules, even that isn't really a reason. If the team is looking to enter negotiations with another ILB to replace him, a gaping hole at the position would cloud such negotiations. Therefore keep him on the roster for now. If the team is looking to draft an ILB tor replace him (please, Lord, not in round 1) then a gaping hole at the position might cause another team to leapfrog us because they covet the same player. Cutting him today will make the starting roster look that much more barren, and could theoretically affect incoming FAs (at other positions) deciding against coming here. Also whatever options the team may want to seek - hopefully not - of bringing him back again, but for less money. He should be cut this year, but agree cutting him this week would constitute doing it just to do it (just to feed the fans who want all things right now). Or the only other "benefit" is giving him his freedom while every team still has all their cap space. It's a nice thing to do, to "do right by" a career Jet, but it doesn't help the team. See, now this is a good reason why he's still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, dbatesman said: See, now this is a good reason why he's still here. Correct. There is no real advantage gained by cutting him now, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said: Correct. There is no real advantage gained by cutting him now, The one advantage to cutting him now is that it puts him in a better position to find a spot with another team. That is what teams do with players they respect. That is why Mangold and Marshall were let go now. The Jets could have waited until after the draft for either, but they wanted to work with them. In Marshal's case he pushed his way out because he saw what was likely coming down the pike. So the advantage is for the player, not the team, per se, although teams that treat their players better tend to be rewarded in negotiations. I don't think Macc is as ruthless as say a Tanny was. Based on the above, my guess is that the Jets spoke to him already and may not intend on cutting him. Rather than spend the same or more money for a successor, the Jets will look to draft one this year or next and allow Harris to play his contract out. Although he can't cover it would be very bad and demoralizing if teams ran all over the Jets. With Harris in the game, that is less likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 hour ago, dbatesman said: The idea that we can't possibly cut Harris until we sign Kevin Minter is exactly the kind of stupidity that will keep this team mediocre forever. The idea the Jets cant live without a slow lumbering MLB who does nothing but tackles someone a couple of times a game because of leadership also applies to your statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said: He can be cut before that, but there's little to no benefit until the time comes that we need his cap space now and can't wait another 1-5 months to clear it. Actually with the carry-over rules, even that isn't really a reason. If the team is looking to enter negotiations with another ILB to replace him, a gaping hole at the position would cloud such negotiations. Therefore keep him on the roster for now. If the team is looking to draft an ILB tor replace him (please, Lord, not in round 1) then a gaping hole at the position might cause another team to leapfrog us because they covet the same player. Cutting him today will make the starting roster look that much more barren, and could theoretically affect incoming FAs (at other positions) deciding against coming here. Also whatever options the team may want to seek - hopefully not - of bringing him back again, but for less money. He should be cut this year, but agree cutting him this week would constitute doing it just to do it (just to feed the fans who want all things right now). Or the only other "benefit" is giving him his freedom while every team still has all their cap space. It's a nice thing to do, to "do right by" a career Jet, but it doesn't help the team. Ok, Dr. Smartypants. Why didnt you just say so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said: Correct. There is no real advantage gained by cutting him now, That's not at all what I was arguing against, but thank you, Whofans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 3 hours ago, thadude said: $6.5 million cap savings if cut. A total, and complete liability in coverage. Basically he's a very expensive 2-down Inside Linebacker And it's not like there are better, cheaper alternatives in free agency and the draft who can do stuff, like cover Discussing one of franchises best ever Linebackers like he's a slab of beef. That cold man, but unsurprising coming from you. To answer your question, he's likely here till we replace him via FA or the Draft. If not, he can still play and produce while Macc fills the dozen other talent holes on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I can handle a lot of M****F******* things but I cant handle no M******F******DAVID HARRIS slander! He is the legend of our time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 How dare you dis Dr. Death David "the Hitman" Harris, Awesome Kick-Ass LB #52, a.k.a "Pookie." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I call him pookie sauce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 2 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: His name is Leonard Williams. What is this? Fight Club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 also muh savings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, Lego My Lageman said: I call him pookie sauce Do not dis Dr. Death David "the Hitman" Harris, Awesome Kick-Ass LB #52, a.k.a "Pookie." His nickname is Dr. Death David "the Hitman" Harris, Awesome Kick-Ass LB #52, a.k.a "Pookie," not 'pookie sauce.' Show the man the respect he deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, Klecko73isGod said: Do not dis Dr. Death David "the Hitman" Harris, Awesome Kick-Ass LB #52, a.k.a "Pookie." His nickname is Dr. Death David "the Hitman" Harris, Awesome Kick-Ass LB #52, a.k.a "Pookie," not 'pookie sauce.' Show the man the respect he deserves. Excuse me MR PHD DR Death David "the hitman" Schultz-Harris, Awesomest kick ass ln # 52 pookie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Lego My Lageman said: I call him pookie sauce I bet you put pookie sauce on everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 and then I said Can you sign this sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, Lego My Lageman said: Excuse me MR PHD DR Death David "the hitman" Schultz-Harris, Awesomest kick ass ln # 52 pookie You sonuva..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, JiF said: I bet you put pookie sauce on everything. So we got you some pookie sauce so when you eating in y0ur car you can eat pookie sauce off your Awesome lb jersey which is #52 from Hitmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, Lego My Lageman said: So we got you some pookie sauce so when you eating in y0ur car you can eat pookie sauce off your Awesome lb jersey which is #52 from Hitmen Do you not speak English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Klecko73isGod said: Do you not speak English? I Have shipment! You send 1000 David Harris who is hitman jersey to Kenya. Superbowl 2010 edition, you learn Engrish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 44 minutes ago, Klecko73isGod said: What is this? Fight Club? Can't say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Oh look, is that #52 chasing another RB down the sideline on a wheel route? He was a great Jet, WAS! GET IT, WAS! Give me the 6.5 mill instead. He was caught from behind by a FAT 285 LB Alge Crumpler in 2010 for gods sake! That's freaking 7 years ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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