The Troll Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 He had 11 sacks last year and was elite in run defense.This is only something we've needed THE ENTIRE ******* TIME WE'VE RAN THE STUPID 3-4.Maybe he sucks, maybe he's awesome. Throw some sh*t at the wall and see what sticks.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 7 hours ago, The Crusher said: Edge rusher with 11 sacks? Sounds awful. Yea he's definitely going to screw us up getting that #1 pick with all those useless sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 4 hours ago, j4jets said: Go all in on him. 6 years $120 mil fully guaranteed. Do it, Macc! Can he throw touchdowns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 37 minutes ago, The Troll said: He had 11 sacks last year and was elite in run defense. This is only something we've needed THE ENTIRE ******* TIME WE'VE RAN THE STUPID 3-4. Maybe he sucks, maybe he's awesome. Throw some sh*t at the wall and see what sticks. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I'm not against it at all is just like to see us also sign Glennon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 I'm not against it at all is just like to see us also sign Glennon Glennon is a pipe dream. He's going to Chicago. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, The Troll said: Glennon is a pipe dream. He's going to Chicago. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Because Mac is a p-ssy He will be an unemployed p-say next January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Because Mac is a p-ssy He will be an unemployed p-say next January Perhaps, but I get the feeling not.It feels like he was probably pressured by Woody immediately build a team to compete and now Woody is giving him a chance to do what should have been done in the first place: a complete rebuild. Which is fine, I guess, but it better be done with a new coach because I feel like Bowles can't possibly aide in the development of young players. He's just a robot of bewildered facial expressions. Has he ever been in the same place at the same time as Jim Caldwell?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 12 minutes ago, thadude said: Because Mac is a p-ssy He will be an unemployed p-say next January No, we're not signing him because giving Mike Glennon 14-15 million dollars per year is nothing short of f*cking stupid. Jay Cutler, a better QB (that's not saying much) is getting cut for making similar money. Now they're gonna blow their load on Glennon when they have all the leverage in the world. That is an amazingly stupid front office in Chicago if they go through with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, The Troll said: Perhaps, but I get the feeling not. It feels like he was probably pressured by Woody immediately build a team to compete and now Woody is giving him a chance to do what should have been done in the first place: a complete rebuild. Which is fine, I guess, but it better be done with a new coach because I feel like Bowles can't possibly aide in the development of young players. He's just a robot of bewildered facial expressions. Has he ever been in the same place at the same time as Jim Caldwell? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Bowles and Mac are both gone after next season Woody promised Mangini he'd get a 4th year after trading for Favre. Woody has zero credibility to his word once he sees MetLife empty in early October and the Pats and Giants both dominating he will be giving Harbaugh a phone call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, Mogglez said: No, we're not signing him because giving Mike Glennon 14-15 million dollars per year is nothing short of f*cking stupid. Jay Cutler, a better QB, is getting cut for making similar money. Now they're gonna blow their load on Glennon when they have all the leverage in the world. That is an amazingly stupid front office in Chicago if they go through with this. We can give a crappy qb who can't throw $12 mil but a good qb who can throw $14 mil is f-cking stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, thadude said: We can give a crappy qb who can't throw $12 mil but a good qb who can throw $14 mil is f-cking stupid I don't like the guy, but giving Fitzpatrick 12 million for 1 year in the hopes that he could replicate the year he had in 2015 (the season where he put up Mike Glennon's career numbers in 15 and 1/4 games) was considered, by most fans, analysts, beat reporters, etc., to be "the right move". Mike Glennon is not a good QB so yeah, giving a young, inexperienced, and (so far) bad QB a LTD at 14-15mil per year is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mogglez said: I don't like the guy, but giving Fitzpatrick 12 million for 1 year in the hopes that he could replicate the year he had in 2015 (the season where he put up Mike Glennon's career numbers in 15 and 1/4 games) was considered, by most fans, analysts, beat reporters, etc., to be "the right move". Mike Glennon is not a good QB so yeah, giving a young, inexperienced, and (so far) bad QB a LTD at 14-15mil per year is stupid. Petty 3tds 7 ints Hack sucks so bad in practice he can't even dress for games Glennon 30 tds 16 ints Sorry bra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 35 minutes ago, thadude said: Petty 3tds 7 ints Hack sucks so bad in practice he can't even dress for games Glennon 30 tds 16 ints Sorry bra Petty - Yeah probably not our starter. We agree there. Hack - It was said by everyone from the day that we drafted him that he was going to sit and develop. It was said that he wasn't going to play a single snap, barring injuries, before he even stepped on the field for rookie camp and yet people still need to be reminded of this almost daily on this forum. Like it or not, Hack is an unknown right now and the priority is to evaluate him before picking a new QB up next year in a loaded class. Unlike Glennon, figuring out this unknown quantity won't require us to cripple our CAP and, in a throwaway year, will have very little consequences going forward should it not work out. Glennon - Hasn't played a meaningful snap of football in over 2 years and when he did, he didn't impress. When he is in though, he beats up on sh*tty defenses in garbage time and ends up with okay numbers. Not great. Just okay. Somehow that warrants giving him a long term deal worth 14-15 million per year. Nah. Sorry brah. I'm not about that life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETdawg1389 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 A roster full of holes, some quality free agents available, and we're going to spunk a truckload of money on a mediocre starter that even Green Bay (a team with a mediocre defence) didn't want to keepA move like this and a trade for Johnson would really leave me questioning Maccs judgementSent from my EVA-L09 using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETdawg1389 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 He would be our best LB agree or not? Guys got game and identity. That's still not saying alotSent from my EVA-L09 using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Question - do guys who have racked up 10+ sacks a year for 3+ years EVER hit free agency when they're still in their prime? Answer - No Question - if a guy like that DID hit free agency, would you be able to sign him for $9m a year? Answer - No This is the nature of free agency ... very much like the draft, you're buying questions as well as answers. Risk as well as reward. All you can do is be as diligent as possible, mitigate the risks as best you can, and hope you get the rewards. What's our other option? Sit back and hope Mauldin "gets it"? Draft a guy with even more questions than answers? I'm not saying roll up a security van and drown the guy in cash, but if the price fits, and the structure can allow an opt out, go for it. It's not like we haven't been screaming for a pass rush since Abe left town over 10 years ago.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 5 hours ago, thadude said: We can give a crappy qb who can't throw $12 mil but a good qb who can throw $14 mil is f-cking stupid Hey it's not just $14 million (probably more than that per season anyway). It's $14 million per year with probably $30-$40 million guaranteed. Not the same as a one-time, one-year blunder of $12 million. I don't think Glennon is looking for a 1 or 2 year deal, do you? So your comaprison is... well... #fakecomparison. WHat was your prior screen name? I know I've read your redundant rants before but can't place the screen name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 30 minutes ago, jamesr said: Question - do guys who have racked up 10+ sacks a year for 3+ years EVER hit free agency when they're still in their prime? Answer - No Question - if a guy like that DID hit free agency, would you be able to sign him for $9m a year? Answer - No This is the nature of free agency ... very much like the draft, you're buying questions as well as answers. Risk as well as reward. All you can do is be as diligent as possible, mitigate the risks as best you can, and hope you get the rewards. What's our other option? Sit back and hope Mauldin "gets it"? Draft a guy with even more questions than answers? I'm not saying roll up a security van and drown the guy in cash, but if the price fits, and the structure can allow an opt out, go for it. It's not like we haven't been screaming for a pass rush since Abe left town over 10 years ago.. Why not ? It took the guy you're supposedly preparing a huge contract for 3 years to get it, and you're hedging your bets because of the uncertainty. Mauldin has shown flashes, but injuries and his uncertainty about his playing weight can be used as a crutch . It's a rebuilding year, so instead of throwing huge cap dollars away , why not see what the people you drafted can do or cut them loose and admit the mistake . Mauldin has this yr and next before a decision should be made, so I say give the kid the opportunity while drafting another option. Jets should spend the money on our kids who have shown progress. Quincy Enunwa Wesley Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 This signing worries me a great deal. I was hoping to draft our own edge in a deep class. But he is still young, so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 10 hours ago, papz187 said: That was my point. Pace was solid but he got a nice contract from us after having a very good contract year, similar to what this guy did last season. The reason I said he seems to be a poor man's version of Pace is because Pace had slightly higher production and was overall a higher pick if I recall correctly, and was very good, just nothing special who got overpaid after a big contract year. Sent from my SM-T230NU using Tapatalk I just prefer to give the kid a chance before we crap on him and call him a poor mans Calvin Pace. Been awhile, like since Johnny Abe, we have had a good rusher off the edge. Plus if the goofballs up front get their crap together then he should be coming to play with much better front than he had in Green Bay. But I do see your point. Let's just hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 LMAO, right? Pass, lol. And the Packers didn't have a Leonard Williams & Mo Wilk on their Dline. We have to sign a couple of FAs, might as well be guys on the rise that are still young. they did have Mike Daniels, though, and he's a monsterSent from my SM-G920T using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 6 hours ago, thadude said: Can he throw touchdowns? For $120 mil, he can even kick FGs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Even then it's concerning a guy who has 1 productive season but only plays half the snaps? Just because someone would be an upgrade doesn't mean we should go out and pay a kings ransom. He's had more than 4 sacks in a season once in his career. I'd rather spend that money on Hightower or Gilmore 9M for a scheme-diverse edge rusher isn't a king's ransomSent from my SM-G920T using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 6 hours ago, Powpow said: Yea he's definitely going to screw us up getting that #1 pick with all those useless sacks. He will Stay with the Packers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Sign this beast with this monster offer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangrene Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Packers to resign Perry to a five year deal according to PFT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 7 hours ago, The Troll said: He had 11 sacks last year and was elite in run defense. This is only something we've needed THE ENTIRE ******* TIME WE'VE RAN THE STUPID 3-4. Maybe he sucks, maybe he's awesome. Throw some sh*t at the wall and see what sticks. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk where do you get elite in run defense ? Seriously where in the hell do you get this ??? He had 32 tackles in 2015 and 52 in 2016 do you know what that means ? Hes not an elite run stopper not by any stretch and hes a one trick pony another in a long line of one trick pony's the Jets have had over the years trying to turn into pass rushers. Its time to draft football players, 3 down football players at the LB position and stop searching for a pass rushing specialist. The Jets need to draft some real LB's that can play the position and then when this team starts to get to the point of contention sign a proven pass rusher to get us over the top. I DO NOT like the idea of signing this guy at all and certainly not for elite money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, Gangrene said: Packers to resign Perry to a five year deal according to PFT. thank god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, Gangrene said: Packers to resign Perry to a five year deal according to PFT. 1 minute ago, Smashmouth said: thank god I did not want him until I heard this. Now I am mad at the Jets for screwing this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, gEYno said: I did not want him until I heard this. Now I am mad at the Jets for screwing this up. Cause its so cool to be right about a team thats always wrong . You have the advantage cause Jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 where do you get elite in run defense ? Seriously where in the hell do you get this ??? He had 32 tackles in 2015 and 52 in 2016 do you know what that means ? Hes not an elite run stopper not by any stretch and hes a one trick pony another in a long line of one trick pony's the Jets have had over the years trying to turn into pass rushers. Its time to draft football players, 3 down football players at the LB position and stop searching for a pass rushing specialist. The Jets need to draft some real LB's that can play the position and then when this team starts to get to the point of contention sign a proven pass rusher to get us over the top. I DO NOT like the idea of signing this guy at all and certainly not for elite money Um, from every damn blurb I read about him.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 I wonder what "monster offer" means. I do enjoy handing monster contracts to other teams back ups. It's a hoot! The one thing I will say about Capers in general though which could impact Perry's overall #'s, is he deploys a lot of situational pass rushers. He moves guys in and out like crazy especially when they play that amobea style formation. It's basically 6 pass rushers on the field at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 22 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: where do you get elite in run defense ? Seriously where in the hell do you get this ??? He had 32 tackles in 2015 and 52 in 2016 do you know what that means ? Hes not an elite run stopper not by any stretch and hes a one trick pony another in a long line of one trick pony's the Jets have had over the years trying to turn into pass rushers. Its time to draft football players, 3 down football players at the LB position and stop searching for a pass rushing specialist. The Jets need to draft some real LB's that can play the position and then when this team starts to get to the point of contention sign a proven pass rusher to get us over the top. I DO NOT like the idea of signing this guy at all and certainly not for elite money The league leaders in sacks only played 58% of his teams defensive snaps. He's the definition of a one trick pony. You dont need 3 down Football players on the edge at all. You need guys who can get to the QB when asked to get to the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Doesn't matter what the make-believe speculative "monster offer" was, it was all B.S., likely purely leaked by the players agent. He resigned with the Packers. Folks need to remember that 99% of the "News" in this period boils down to being PR statements and negotiation tools used by players agents, NOT actual leaks from teams showing interest. When will folks learn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 The Jets concluded that they needed an EDGE rusher to make their entire defense work. The CBs will be better and cheaper if the Jets are getting a pass rusher. For that reason both the Packers concluded that they needed to sign Perry. My only negative reaction to the potential signing was that they appeared to be giving up on Mauldin. Coach him up. He can be the situational pass rusher, if he can play 16 games. There will be players in the 2nd round that can add to the EDGE, if the Jets are out of the QB trap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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