thadude Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Or Watson but I doubt he falls to rd 2 Sorry guys I can't do 16 weeks of Cutler, Hack and Petty. I love life too much to endure that abject torture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Cutler can play and is an a$$hole. Kizer is from Notre Dame and is an a$$hole that can't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Kizer in the 2nd would be great. Doubt it would happen, I'd rather do that than sign Cutler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Kizer in 2nd feels a lot like Hack in 2nd. Flawed prospect you don't feel strongly enough about to go big on so you hedge your bet and hope to catch lightning in a bottle. The problem is, you can't do it three times in three years. You need a year off to have a vet on the roster, or you're giving up on Petty or Hack. if I'm giving up on either one, it should be because I think I've got a guy who can make me forget them. That says 1st round or forget about it. to me. You want Watson or Trubisky and are willing to cut Petty for that, okay. But taking Kizer in the 2nd to drop Petty...not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 2 hours ago, nycdan said: Kizer in 2nd feels a lot like Hack in 2nd. Flawed prospect you don't feel strongly enough about to go big on so you hedge your bet and hope to catch lightning in a bottle. The problem is, you can't do it three times in three years. You need a year off to have a vet on the roster, or you're giving up on Petty or Hack. if I'm giving up on either one, it should be because I think I've got a guy who can make me forget them. That says 1st round or forget about it. to me. You want Watson or Trubisky and are willing to cut Petty for that, okay. But taking Kizer in the 2nd to drop Petty...not so much. Kizer is a much better prospect with far more upside than Hack. I doubt he even makes it to round two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 12, 2017 Author Share Posted March 12, 2017 4 hours ago, King P said: Kizer in the 2nd would be great. Doubt it would happen, I'd rather do that than sign Cutler Of the top 3 Qb's I think 2 of them make it to our 2nd round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 12, 2017 Author Share Posted March 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Kizer is a much better prospect with far more upside than Hack. I doubt he even makes it to round two. Supposedly he and Trunisky didn't look good at their workouts in the combine. Watson killed it I'm concerned the Bears won't pass on Kizer with their 2nd. That would be two good qb's those @sswipes steal from us in 1 offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Kizer is a much better prospect with far more upside than Hack. I doubt he even makes it to round two. So if we draft him, you're okay with cutting Hack or Petty? It would be one thing if we took a guy in the top-10 to do that, but taking a guy in the 2nd to cut another guy we took in the 2nd last year feels like a shell game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Kizer isn't worth a 5th round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 39 minutes ago, nycdan said: So if we draft him, you're okay with cutting Hack or Petty? It would be one thing if we took a guy in the top-10 to do that, but taking a guy in the 2nd to cut another guy we took in the 2nd last year feels like a shell game. Why can't they keep three QBs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFreak89 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 The only problem with Kizer is that he can't pass the ball. If that's something you look for in a QB I would look elsewhere. Sent from my iPad using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 7 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Why can't they keep three QBs? Three QBs who have almost no starting experience between them. Two of them would have zero game experience and Petty barely has any. I can't see any team, even one that is visibly tanking, go into a season with that lineup of QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 4 hours ago, nycdan said: Three QBs who have almost no starting experience between them. Two of them would have zero game experience and Petty barely has any. I can't see any team, even one that is visibly tanking, go into a season with that lineup of QBs. If they draft a QB in this draft, it will be late (Webb?) and it will be to take Hack's roster spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Pcola said: If they draft a QB in this draft, it will be late (Webb?) and it will be to take Hack's roster spot. That's my point. If they took Watson or Trubisky at #6 to take Hack's (or Petty's spot) that's one thing (barely). But to take a late-rounder QB and cut Hack would be career suicide for Macc. I see no possibility of him doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 3 hours ago, nycdan said: That's my point. If they took Watson or Trubisky at #6 to take Hack's (or Petty's spot) that's one thing (barely). But to take a late-rounder QB and cut Hack would be career suicide for Macc. I see no possibility of him doing that. Based on how this off season is going, I'm assuming Macc got permission to have a 2 win roster. If that's not gonna be career suicide (in year 3 of your contract) than moving on from a mistake and not forcing it to cost you a roster spot for 3 years, cap space for three years, or prevent you from drafting a prospect on day three with exponentially more upside that Hack, shouldn't be a fireable offense. Again, making another assumption that Woody has seen this guy practice and already knows it was a terrible pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 That scenario will be a huge test for our front office. I mused a while back that one of these top 4 rated qbs will fall to the jets in the 2nd round, will they have the balls to make that pick. It will tell me a lot about mac on how he handles that scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 On March 11, 2017 at 5:58 PM, nycdan said: So if we draft him, you're okay with cutting Hack or Petty? It would be one thing if we took a guy in the top-10 to do that, but taking a guy in the 2nd to cut another guy we took in the 2nd last year feels like a shell game. I'd be ok with cutting Hack today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 On March 12, 2017 at 1:46 AM, nycdan said: Three QBs who have almost no starting experience between them. Two of them would have zero game experience and Petty barely has any. I can't see any team, even one that is visibly tanking, go into a season with that lineup of QBs. How much starting experience did Prescott and Wentz have before last September Cutler has experience- bad experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 17 hours ago, Beerfish said: That scenario will be a huge test for our front office. I mused a while back that one of these top 4 rated qbs will fall to the jets in the 2nd round, will they have the balls to make that pick. It will tell me a lot about mac on how he handles that scenario If we're supposedly going with a "youth movement" they have to draft a qb this year Petty is a JAG and Hack has been a miserable waste of time. There is no point signing Cutler if we are supposedly rebuilding Mac's only hope is draft guys who are effective and productive right away -- not 5 years from now. That means Mike Williams or OJ Howard at 6 and Kizer or Watson at 39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 20 hours ago, Pcola said: Based on how this off season is going, I'm assuming Macc got permission to have a 2 win roster. If that's not gonna be career suicide (in year 3 of your contract) than moving on from a mistake and not forcing it to cost you a roster spot for 3 years, cap space for three years, or prevent you from drafting a prospect on day three with exponentially more upside that Hack, shouldn't be a fireable offense. Again, making another assumption that Woody has seen this guy practice and already knows it was a terrible pick. A 2 win roster gets Mac fired in January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 32 minutes ago, thadude said: A 2 win roster gets Mac fired in January By the way he has operated this off season, I don't know that to be 100% accurate. He thinks this is what needed to happen, I tend to agree with him. But if there was any indication of another housecleaning after this season, they would have kept Marshall and Mangold, would have been more active in free agency (at least at the QB spot). In fact, if they felt a pending termination, they would have been more competitive with the offer to Glennon or Hoyer. Not having a QB currently would have hurt us in attracting free agents at other positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Macc has not given up on Hack. It is ludicrous to assume that. I am going to predict right now that Macc signs Chase Daniel (now that the Eagles released him) to a bargain deal and the 3 QBs (Daniel, Hack, Petty) battle it out. I don't know if Hack will win out (I have no idea where he is in his development until at least training camp), but I HIGHLY doubt Jets take a QB in this draft- AT ALL. The only way they do is if a QB slides and Macc simply goes with value- which probably will not happen b/c its such a weak draft for QBs. But if Mahomes (or someone like that) slides to the bottom of the 3rd round, I could see Macc picking him up. I know Jets fans don't want to see Daniel, Hack and Petty as the 3 QBs on the roster. But they will have to deal with it. And all 3 will be cheap, push each other for the starting gig, and most likely play a lot better than Fitz did this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 2 hours ago, thadude said: Hack has been a miserable waste of time. What do you base that on? Seems like a silly blanket statement about a player who has not even played a single meaningful NFL snap and has only been in the league for one season. Would you say Goff is also a miserable waste of time? Just curious how you justify that. 2 hours ago, thadude said: Mac's only hope is draft guys who are effective and productive right away 2 hours ago, thadude said: That means Mike Williams or OJ Howard at 6 and Kizer or Watson at 39 How on god's green earth can you possibly assume Kizer or Watson are guys who will be 'effective and productive' right away? Hack is a waste of time but Kizer or Watson will step right in and be 'effective and productive' right away? LMFAO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BklynJetsFan85 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I'm a big Notre Dame fan but Kizer is not the type of prospect that can come to a team in rebuilding like us and prosper... he needs an established team to play on. We aren't it. We are going to suck for a season or 2 at least... i mean losing record, really bad... just come to terms with that... we aint winning now - that's a fact. They been trying to fix things with band aids for years and look where it has gotten us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 On 3/11/2017 at 7:19 PM, CrazyCarl40 said: Kizer is a much better prospect with far more upside than Hack. I doubt he even makes it to round two. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Didn't kizer look really bad at the combine and not really all so great on tape? From what I understand hackenberg he more nfl ready than kizer.Sent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 9 hours ago, PepPep said: What do you base that on? Seems like a silly blanket statement about a player who has not even played a single meaningful NFL snap and has only been in the league for one season. Would you say Goff is also a miserable waste of time? Just curious how you justify that. How on god's green earth can you possibly assume Kizer or Watson are guys who will be 'effective and productive' right away? Hack is a waste of time but Kizer or Watson will step right in and be 'effective and productive' right away? LMFAO. You are chugging the kool-aid hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 37 minutes ago, bealeb319 said: Didn't kizer look really bad at the combine and not really all so great on tape? From what I understand hackenberg he more nfl ready than kizer. Sent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk Brady had a bad combine too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 On March 11, 2017 at 8:29 PM, JetFreak89 said: The only problem with Kizer is that he can't pass the ball. If that's something you look for in a QB I would look elsewhere. Sent from my iPad using JetNation.com mobile app Have you seen some of the downfield throws Kizer made last year? You guys are way off-base here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Kizer, Hack and Petty for 2017!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Brady had a bad combine too And he was taken in round 7 not round 2.Sent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 14 hours ago, thadude said: You are chugging the kool-aid hard What, b/c I'm not assuming Hack is a bust? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 56 minutes ago, PepPep said: What, b/c I'm not assuming Hack is a bust? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 2 hours ago, bealeb319 said: And he was taken in round 7 not round 2. Sent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk Jamarcus Russel had the best throwing display at the combine years back and he's available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 15 hours ago, thadude said: Brady had a bad combine too Holy crap. Did you...did he....nawww Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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