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Lil Woody

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2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Josh Allen, Darnold, and Rosen should all be pretty good options.

Don't sleep on Mason Rudolph as part of that group.  I'd put him on the same level as Rosen right now, with Darnold just a hair over the both of them.  Can't wait to actually watch Josh Allen next year and see if the hype matches the play.  From the Wyoming schedule....Iowa, Oregon and Boise St look like they might be worth watching.

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No NFL team loses on purpose. Ever. It is a multimillion dollar business. Owners want to fill seats. Coaches don't prepare every week to lose. Players do everything possible to be great players.... They're contracts and starting positions solely depends on performance. So that thought is nonsense. Players may pack it in at the end of the season with no chance of getting to the playoffs but if you know anything about competitive sports or ever played sports on any level no one plays to lose even for a #1 DP the following year. The Jets are rebuilding. Hopefully it will be a good one but they will strive to win and put the best team on the field every week. Evey draft pick will hopefully be the best player available at that spot.

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No NFL team loses on purpose. Ever. It is a multimillion dollar business. Owners want to fill seats. Coaches don't prepare every week to lose. Players do everything possible to be great players.... They're contracts and starting positions solely depends on performance. So that thought is nonsense. Players may pack it in at the end of the season with no chance of getting to the playoffs but if you know anything about competitive sports or ever played sports on any level no one plays to lose even for a #1 DP the following year. The Jets are rebuilding. Hopefully it will be a good one but they will strive to win and put the best team on the field every week. Evey draft pick will hopefully be the best player available at that spot.

Irsay did. When manning went down he brought kerry collins out of retirement. Thats trying to lose
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23 minutes ago, MaxAF said:

No NFL team loses on purpose. Ever. It is a multimillion dollar business. Owners want to fill seats. Coaches don't prepare every week to lose. Players do everything possible to be great players.... They're contracts and starting positions solely depends on performance. So that thought is nonsense. Players may pack it in at the end of the season with no chance of getting to the playoffs but if you know anything about competitive sports or ever played sports on any level no one plays to lose even for a #1 DP the following year. The Jets are rebuilding. Hopefully it will be a good one but they will strive to win and put the best team on the field every week. Evey draft pick will hopefully be the best player available at that spot.

1. Guarantee Hackenberg the starting spot.

2. Trade or release Decker.

3. Trade Sheldon.

 

The team outright folded last year. All it'd take is a little push from the GM to make it happen again. Sure, he'd burn Bowles in the process, but it's CYA time in Florham anyway.

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jetrider

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15 hours ago, Gas2No99 said:

Bears got to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman.

Ravens won th Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer.

Bucs won th Super Bowl with Brad Johnson.

Rich Gannon took the Raiders to the Super Bowlin his 15th year after being considered a JAG his ENTIRE career

Pats reached the Super Bowl seven times and won five Lombardis with a 6th round JAG 28 teams passed on 6 times including the Pats

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39 minutes ago, Larz said:


Irsay did. When manning went down he brought kerry collins out of retirement. Thats trying to lose

Don't know about that but the Jets won't be tanking this year for a first round DP next year

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20 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

1. Guarantee Hackenberg the starting spot.

2. Trade or release Decker.

3. Trade Sheldon.

 

The team outright folded last year. All it'd take is a little push from the GM to make it happen again. Sure, he'd burn Bowles in the process, but it's CYA time in Florham anyway.

I agree some players packed it in toward the end of the season. My guess is the defense wasn't too happy with Fitz and the offense.

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jetrider

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44 minutes ago, MaxAF said:

No NFL team loses on purpose. Ever. It is a multimillion dollar business. Owners want to fill seats. Coaches don't prepare every week to lose. Players do everything possible to be great players.... They're contracts and starting positions solely depends on performance. So that thought is nonsense. Players may pack it in at the end of the season with no chance of getting to the playoffs but if you know anything about competitive sports or ever played sports on any level no one plays to lose even for a #1 DP the following year. The Jets are rebuilding. Hopefully it will be a good one but they will strive to win and put the best team on the field every week. Evey draft pick will hopefully be the best player available at that spot.

Exactly. Woody cares about ticket-holding game-goers, not bitter whiners on an internet forum. There has to be a strong commitment to the product on the field every week.

Though I do believe some big dollar vets will try to save their health if they think the season is over. There was this at 4-11 last Dec:

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Rookie defensive end Leonard Williams said, via ESPN.com, after last Saturday’s 41-3 loss to the Patriots that he thought the team lacked passion and that “some people are probably looking past the season.” Defensive end Muhammad Wilkerson had similar comments after the game and coach Todd Bowles was asked about his team’s effort level being a problem on Tuesday.

“Not at all. We’ve talked about it. It’s not the effort, it’s the concern,” Bowles said at a press conference. “Those are blown things that we blow week in and week out. That’s consistent. So those things make it seem like the effort isn’t there, but the effort’s there. Blowing same things week in and week out makes it seem worse than it is.”

What's lost in Bowles' bassackwards whiffle-whaffle is he couldn't find a solution or make an adjustment week in and week out if it wasn't as bad as it seemed.

At least he thinks they're trying to win ...

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“No, we’re always trying to win,” Bowles said Thursday, before the Marshall news, when asked if the Jets were rebuilding. “Whether we kept them or we let them go, we’re always trying to win. We don’t do anything in the mindset [of rebuilding]. You rebuild as far as people and names, but you don’t rebuild in terms of trying to win or not win. We’re trying to win all the time.”

 

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47 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

We desperately need a halfway decent QB or nothing else matters. 

If we're going to win the Superbowl we'll need a QB who is much better than "halfway decent".  From what I've read, Watson doesn't have a strong arm.  I don't see that getting us a title (especially when he has to play winter football in NY).

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BRONX DUDE

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19 hours ago, Maxman said:
  • There is a 0% chance the Jets will get the # 1 pick next year.
  • I agree with Macc's approach.
  • I don't agree that there aren't any franchise QBs in the draft.
  • They already dumped all the toxic contracts. All that is left is Sheldon and they are trying to get a pick back for him.
  • The Jets under Macc have a good long term plan in place. They have a ton of cap room next year. They got rid of just about every veteran and have tons of young competition.
  • If Macc likes the player at 6 you have to make the pick. You can't make a blankey statement that it must be traded, even if you are open to it (which they are)>

0 %  ??  I guess in a fit of extreme loyalty you said this.

They have an extremely difficult schedule including..

Their offensive line is porous at best.

They do not have an every down running back. 

They can't get to the QB.

They can't cover down-the-field TE's

They have a tiny LB

Etc Etc.

 

 

 

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Just now, BRONX DUDE said:

0 %  ??  I guess in a fit of extreme loyalty you said this.

They have an extremely difficult schedule including..

Their offensive line is porous at best.

They do not have an every down running back. 

They can't get to the QB.

They can't cover down-the-field TE's

They have a tiny LB

Etc Etc.

 

 

 

Oops I forgot the biggest reason they will have the # 1 pick

 

THEY ARE TANKING  ( Shhhhhhhhh.  There is no tanking in the NFL )

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19 hours ago, Fibonacci said:

First things first. You aren't winning anything without a franchise QB in today's NFL. If you don't have a franchise QB, you will not win anything and you will end up picking in the middle of the pack if you force your hand. 

Let's look at the current Jets team. Are we looking like contenders next year? No we aren't. We aren't winning the Superbowl this year. If so, why force the issue? 

Is there any clear cut franchise QB in this year's draft ala Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck? No! Again, why force the issue to be a 5-11 or 6-10 team AGAIN!

Are there any such QB's in next year's draft? Yes. Plenty. From Darnold to Rosen we will have at least 2 or 3 viable QB candidates similar to 2004 draft. 

Simple logic. Traded away your picks this year for a first and second round picks next year and tank this year. Dump all toxic contracts this year and start fresh next year with the #1 pick in your hands. 

Strategy and Operations god damn it. Every successful company have long term goals and action plans to support the goal. Dear Jets brass, you seem to be acting like chicken with no heads for a long time now. It is time to establish your long terms goals and proceed accordingly. If you are too dumb, here is the blueprint. 

1) Let next year go and trade away your 6th pick for a multiple picks for this year and next year.(A first this year and next year is a must)

2) Let go overpriced vets and use this year to clean up your payroll. Only keep players with upside for future years.

3) Tank properly. Let Bowles go if he tries to get in the way. You can find a decent coach any year but you can't find a franchise QB every year. Let Bowles go if he sabotages this team for #1 pick next year. 

4) Tell your plan to fans to manage expectations properly. Stop saving the day with mediocre results. We are tired of 7-9, 6-10 seasons. Give us a 1-15, 2-14 for God's sake. 

5) Lastly, don't let Bowles to fvck this team's future to save his ass. 

Rant over. Bring it on. No I don't have shame. No I don't mind Jets losing every game for a year. It has been almost 50 years and we haven't won jack sh*t. Let's tank properly this time. Maybe this will make a difference in the end. 

If ever there was an opportunity to improve the roster and position ourselves to grab a top QB in 2018, it's here.  I don't think we'll be much better and it's hard to be much worse than last year.  But looking at overall talent, we are iMO a 2-4 win team. Our QB's are inexperienced and McGowan is no prize either. He's a year older and our WR's are just a bunch of pups.  Our running game and OL are mediocre at best. So much for the offense. Our defense, which will be better, how could it be any worse, is a major work in progress.  Our ST sucks. Our coach is gutless and pretty much a liability.  Bottom line, Mac needs to accumulate some talent in this upcoming draft,continue to delete the fat contracts and headaches on this team and get these kids playing time.  By 2018 draft, we'll get that QB we've been longing for and these kids will have grown. Add some quality FA's and we'll be on our way.

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At the end of the day, protect your draft value.  We don't need to reach for qbs, we don't need to reach for positions of need.  We have tons of places to work on, including positions of perceived strength (DE/DL looks good today, but if Richardson is gone and Wilkerson never recovers, well there you go).  If trading back is the right move based upon your perceived value, then do that.  Heck, project players aren't a bad idea either if the scouts think there is possibilities there.  Oh, and don't fear to pick special team's only players in the latter rounds.  The patriots and Eagles have shown everyone just how useful those types of players are.

We have the luxury of not needing to win tommorow, so lets use that strength, and rebuild properly this time.

 

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14 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said:

Darnold will not come out next year just like Peyton didn't.  Take Watson and rebuild this plane wreck.  Remember when we let Bridgewater go.  Come on, it is really easy and yet we make it:

 

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Exactly start the rebuild here and now in the 2017 draft with the best QB available this season.

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6 hours ago, T0mShane said:

1. Guarantee Hackenberg the starting spot.

2. Trade or release Decker.

3. Trade Sheldon.

 

The team outright folded last year. All it'd take is a little push from the GM to make it happen again. Sure, he'd burn Bowles in the process, but it's CYA time in Florham anyway.

also draft Sidney Jones in rd 2, who'll be on the bench all season but contribute in 2018. 

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Scouting Report on Deshaun Watson. Scroll all the way down for the whole thing. A tough kid with skills. Has some flaws but they are coach able flaws. Worth a shot.

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Shutdown Corner is counting down the top 50 prospects in the 2017 NFL draft with a scouting report, quotes from NFL evaluators and a projection where they might be drafted.

17. Clemson QB Deshaun Watson
6-foot-2, 221 pounds

Key stat: Accounted for 116 touchdowns (90 passing, 26 rushing) and 41 turnovers (34 INTs, seven fumbles) in 38 college games (35 starts).

The skinny: Raised by a single mother (who survived oral cancer when Deshaun was in high school) with three siblings, living in a Habitat For Humanity house presented by former Tampa Bay Buccaneers running back Warrick Dunn. Started four years in high school, committed to Clemson as a sophomore and led his school to its first state title in more than a century. Watson stuck with his commitment despite nearly every school in the country continuing to recruit him and seeing his recruiting rankings rise to elite levels.

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Clemson QB Deshaun Watson is one of the most decorated college quarterbacks in recent college history. (AP)

Enrolled at Clemson and started five games as a true freshman, suffering a broken throwing hand, a sprained MCL, a bone bruise in his knee and a torn ACL that cur his season short. Still managed to play through the injuries — including the ACL — in a win over rival South Carolina before having season-ending surgery before the bowl game. Started 15 games the next season (despite missing all of spring practice) for the national runners-up and was a Heisman Trophy finalist.

Finishing second in the Heisman voting in 2016, Watson — who was named a team captain as a junior — led the Tigers to a national championship, beating the Alabama team that had defeated him in the BCS title game the year prior with a TD drive that was capped in the waning seconds, being named game MVP. Watson won countless awards in his decorated career and declared early for the 2017 NFL draft after completing his degree in three years. He will turn 22 in September.

Best-suited destination: Among all the quarterbacks in the 2017 class, Watson is most equipped to step in quickly and handle the speed, talent and mental requirements of most NFL systems. He likely would flourish best in a rhythm passing offense or West Coast-type system that also sprinkles in read-option and RPO plays into the game plan. Among the teams that could be especially interested in Watson’s services include the Buffalo Bills, Los Angeles Chargers, San Francisco 49ers, Cleveland Browns, Houston Texans, Chicago Bears, Kansas City Chiefs, Los Angeles Chargers, New York Giants, New York Jets or Pittsburgh Steelers.

Upside: Incredibly mentally and physically tough. Mature and grounded. Driven to be great. Work ethic is off the charts. Strong character. Handles adversity well and never looks panicked on the field. Won more than 90 percent of his games (32-3 record as starter) and raised his game on the biggest of stages. Threw for 825 yards and 7-1 TD-INT ratio in two title-game appearances against Bama, coming back to win one. Usually puts the ball where it needs to be. Shows very nice touch downfield and throws a very catchable, tight pass. Smooth throwing motion without too much unnecessary movement or hitch, even while on the move. Quick release. Sets his feet well and quickly most of the time.

Wasn’t always asked to make NFL-caliber progressions, but is he able to? Absolutely. Even though the TV copy doesn’t fully show it, Watson manipulates Ohio State S Malik Hooker with his eyes by looking to the other side of the field before going down the left sideline with the pass. Never mind the pass being slightly overthrown — this is good stuff here:

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Deshaun Watson moves the Ohio State safety with his eyes beautifully, even though the pass is slightly overthrown. (Draftbreakdown.com, via YouTube)
 

Another terrific progression read — and an example of toughness — as Watson releases the pass at the final second … to probably his third option on the play against North Carolina State:

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Here Watson goes through his reads until he finds an open defender. (Draftbreakdown.com, via YouTube)

Smart, instinctive runner who can mentally defeat a defense with 9-yard scramble on 3rd-and-8. Great athleticism for the position. Also can pooch punt effectively. Added 15 pounds of muscle prior to junior season to better withstand hits.

Downside: Arm strength is average at best. Doesn’t always have the zip to fit passes into quickly closing windows or rip the deep out. Registered a combine-worst 49 mph max on his passes, which also was one of the lowest maximums in recent years. Operated in shotgun, pass-happy, screen-heavy, half-field-read offense with top-tier skill-position talent. Had many passes batted down at the line, especially with three-quarters motion. Threw 30 interceptions in his past 30 games. Will lock in on primary target and let defensive backs read his eyes too easily, as seen against Pitt:

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Deshaun Watson can stare down his receivers, as this led to an easy Pitt INT. (Draftbreakdown.com, via YouTube)

Here’s another case of Watson (just before the play above against NC State) staring down his receiver and failing to recognize the underneath defender staring right back at him:

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Watson doesn’t see the North Carolina State defender and throws it right to him. (Draftbreakdown.com, via YouTube)

Watson also must learn not to lead his receivers too much and leave them vulnerable to stalking safeties.

Scouting hot take: “I watched every game this year and charted him with 11 [of his 17] interceptions on him, the other ones on his receivers. He needs some work, but it’s stuff we can teach him. There’s a lot to like. You know he’s going to work. If you want a rah-rah leader, our [scouts] say that’s not him. But if you are OK with the Eli Manning personality, which works fine in this league by the way, then you go get him and just give him time. He hasn’t worked from under center and little things like that; we’d need to work with his eyes a little. But he’s got what you want.” — AFC quarterbacks coach

Player comp: Elements of Alex Smith and Marcus Mariota

Expected draft range: First-round pick

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30 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said:

Has some flaws but they are coach able flaws. Worth a shot.

Downside: Arm strength is average at best. Doesn’t always have the zip to fit passes into quickly closing windows or rip the deep out. Registered a combine-worst 49 mph max on his passes, which also was one of the lowest maximums in recent years. Operated in shotgun, pass-happy, screen-heavy, half-field-read offense with top-tier skill-position talent. Had many passes batted down at the line, especially with three-quarters motion. Threw 30 interceptions in his past 30 games. Will lock in on primary target and let defensive backs read his eyes too easily, as seen against Pitt:

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Deshaun Watson can stare down his receivers, as this led to an easy Pitt INT. (Draftbreakdown.com, via YouTube)

Here’s another case of Watson (just before the play above against NC State) staring down his receiver and failing to recognize the underneath defender staring right back at him:

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Watson doesn’t see the North Carolina State defender and throws it right to him. (Draftbreakdown.com, via YouTube)

 

 

 Coachable flaws? We couldn't correct Fitz or Sanchez. 
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As I stated elsewhere (same subject). If we put a hugely poor product on the field Darnold could totally make the right choice and not declare. Why would he. Or just Eli us and refuse to play if drafted.

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8 hours ago, jetrider said:

 

 Coachable flaws? We couldn't correct Fitz or Sanchez. 

Different staff. Different player. He is also perfect for the west coast offense that the new OC is rumored to favor. Plus the guy has faced adversity throughout his life and overcame it. Mental toughness in a player is essential especially playing in the media circus that is the NY sports world. Watson has it. That can't be taught. Pick this kid Mac.

Fitz? Nothing could correct Fitz. A career back-up who played a soft schedule and was then exposed for the scrub he was against better teams on a tougher schedule.

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9 hours ago, nicg4360 said:

As I stated elsewhere (same subject). If we put a hugely poor product on the field Darnold could totally make the right choice and not declare. Why would he. Or just Eli us and refuse to play if drafted.

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That question is east yo answer . $25,351,277  Fully guaranteed.  That is the amount of Jameis Winston's contract.  He could be on crutches, or have his shoulder in a sling for the 2019 draft.   

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What the Jets need to do is just let Hack or Petty play this year. If they have a good season it's going to be because one of them is a legitimate starting QB who can win games for you in the NFL. if that's the case then the Jets have an answer at the QB position going forward. If not, then the Jets are going to be horrible and will probably be in a position to draft a QB in a potentially strong QB class in 2018.

What the Jets should not be doing is going with McCown.

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