Dunnie Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Amazing arm .. if pocket presence, accuracy and football IQ can be taught we are Golden ... otherwise i support Sam DarnoldSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkus Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 1 hour ago, JAFJET said: Where would Hackenburg gone in this years draft class? After seeing the ransoms paid by the Bears and the Chiefs this year I don't feel as bad about spending a second rounder on Hackenburg. Mind you I don't feel good about it as I still think we could have gotten him in a later round but I just don't feel as bad. Good point that has been overlooked. Bears sent a bunch of picks and are redshirtting their #1 pick and #2 overall pick. KC is also planning on redshirt and gave up their first rounder next yr. hack only cost our own second round pick. If he is a bust he will just join our loooong line of 2nd round bust picks, not a tremendous loss in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Well we have to support him. Is he the answer? Your guess is as good as mine. We will find out. Since the majority expects little from him it just may help him in the long run. I think a lot of guys will be pissed if he does excel since it will end the pipe dream of the Suck for Sam crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 I'll give him a chance the expectations are quite low for Hackenberg as is anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlagmanL11 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 He is not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetmech Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Where would Hackenburg gone in this years draft class? After seeing the ransoms paid by the Bears and the Chiefs this year I don't feel as bad about spending a second rounder on Hackenburg. Mind you I don't feel good about it as I still think we could have gotten him in a later round but I just don't feel as bad. Considering all the bad hype about this year's QB class I was surprised how many were drafted early let alone by trade ups. Makes you wonder about all the evaluations.Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetmech Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Good point that has been overlooked. Bears sent a bunch of picks and are redshirtting their #1 pick and #2 overall pick. KC is also planning on redshirt and gave up their first rounder next yr. hack only cost our own second round pick. If he is a bust he will just join our loooong line of 2nd round bust picks, not a tremendous loss in comparison. Too bad the Jets couldn't wait till the 3rd/4th round to pick Hack and this would be a non-story.Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 After sleeping on it I've decided that Hack IS a stud. Don't worry, I'm never wrong about a player evaluation (or was that never right?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TuscanyTile2 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Lots of Hack-hate on here (at least in terms of what people think his ability is, NOT in terms of them supporting him). I have hope for Hack and I'll absolutely be rooting for the guy. I think there's a shot we'll be surprised in a good way but let's see. I just hope that he's one extreme or the other. Let him be either a superstar (let's hope!) or an absolute train wreck (Darnold here we come!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFJET Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 14 hours ago, Barkus said: Good point that has been overlooked. Bears sent a bunch of picks and are redshirtting their #1 pick and #2 overall pick. KC is also planning on redshirt and gave up their first rounder next yr. hack only cost our own second round pick. If he is a bust he will just join our loooong line of 2nd round bust picks, not a tremendous loss in comparison. Imagine if Hackenberg stayed at Penn State his senior year instead of coming out last year. Penn State won the Big Ten with vastly improved talent and a more QB friendly system. If Hack had stayed and Penn State still had the big year imagine the pundits leading up to the draft describing Hack as a "winner" who "overcame adversity" and all the rest of these intangible labels that people throw around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jets rooter Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 We forget that it takes three years for a young draftee. To learn the ropes. That is the case for young quarterbacks. Lets not pass judgement until we see him in training camp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 23 hours ago, joewilly12 said: Do you think he will be the answer to NY Jets franchise QB need? 23 hours ago, Tinstar said: Are you for real ? every Jets fan better damn well support Hackenberg .... Key word "Support" Obviously we will never know WTF he is until he gets his shot and I hope he gets it this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Lots of Hack-hate on here (at least in terms of what people think his ability is, NOT in terms of them supporting him). I have hope for Hack and I'll absolutely be rooting for the guy. I think there's a shot we'll be surprised in a good way but let's see. I just hope that he's one extreme or the other. Let him be either a superstar (let's hope!) or an absolute train wreck (Darnold here we come!) When he was coming out last year, his ceiling and floor were considered to be both extremes. His ceiling is elite QB. His floor is Ryan Leaf. I'll say one thing: it would be amazing if he worked out. If the light would go on for him and he shut up everyone who's bashed him (including many on this site), it would be absolutely GLORIOUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Why would I not back him? The only Jet player I wanted to watch fail, ever, was Mike Vick. Do I think he'll be "The Man?" I don't know. When they drafted him, they said he'd sit a year. At the time, and since then, I have said I think it's best for a QB to sit at least a year before starting. He say a year, now we'll see if he's got any real potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 I'm not ready to start picturing him in Canton. I have no idea how he will perform; we have seen very little of him and I don't think he had much opportunity for improvement last offseason. I hope bigly that is his trajectory and we don't give him up before he gets on that path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 2 hours ago, JAFJET said: Imagine if Hackenberg stayed at Penn State his senior year instead of coming out last year. Penn State won the Big Ten with vastly improved talent and a more QB friendly system. If Hack had stayed and Penn State still had the big year imagine the pundits leading up to the draft describing Hack as a "winner" who "overcame adversity" and all the rest of these intangible labels that people throw around. A small, jag suspect QB took his place and the team got good.....with that load stone of a coach Franklin around his neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Well in the end out Gm picked him so it is he who is going to feel the wrath or get the glory as much or moreso than Hack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 It's not whether I believe or support Hackenberg. I want to be able to first see him consistently connect on his passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newyorkjetfan Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Give him a chance. Can't do much worse with other two. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 On 4/30/2017 at 2:43 PM, Jet_Engine1 said: And Hack will either swim, and if so, we have a QB....Or he will sink and we go 2-14 and get a real QB. THIS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 10 hours ago, jets rooter said: We forget that it takes three years for a young draftee. To learn the ropes. That is the case for young quarterbacks. Lets not pass judgement until we see him in training camp I love how this little sliver of sane objectivity goes completely unnoticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 He needs his reps, in practice with the ones, consistently. He needs real game experiece. He needed to sit last year which I agreed with. But they better not like McCown start for half the season and take up all the practice reps, because then how do you expect him to get better? QB is very much like playing golf, theres a certain day to day rhythm you have to get in or the whole mental aspect and body mechanics are off. I don't know how you get better at anything without continuously doing it. Sink or swim with Hackenberg this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said: He needs his reps, in practice with the ones, consistently. He needs real game experiece. He needed to sit last year which I agreed with. But they better not like McCown start for half the season and take up all the practice reps, because then how do you expect him to get better? QB is very much like playing golf, theres a certain day to day rhythm you have to get in or the whole mental aspect and body mechanics are off. I don't know how you get better at anything without continuously doing it. Sink or swim with Hackenberg this year. In other words, don't do exactly what they just did last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said: In other words, don't do exactly what they just did last year. Exactly. Last year I get it, they thought their veterans would show up and build on 2015 with Fitz. They gave it a shot. But Fitz should have been shut down after KC. I digress...give the reps to the Hack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mphtrilogy Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I hope jumps out at mini-camp, becomes the unquestioned starter in pre-season, gets most reps, comes out plays well and we have derek carr 2.0 if not, tank hard and reset in the top 5 next year, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicg4360 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I don't think a quarterback carousel has been beneficial to any team. I agree 100% you need to name a starter and stick with him. Support him wether he struggles or not especially the young ones like Hackenberg. Good QB's should be able to find a way to work through ups and downs and it does nothing for them to jump from one qb to another. That also takes shots to their mindset, being pulled every other game. Sets back development in my opinion. As others have said...sink or swim. Sent from my Moto Z using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 No one should expect Hackenberg to become a rhythm passer who consistently completes 62-65% of his passes, certainly not in 2017 or 2018. Hackenberg's strengths are his ability to make full field reads, and his arm strength - similarly to Eli Manning (who is below 60% as a passer for his career). Eli has managed to be successful because he can hit chunk plays down the field and because his interceptions tend to be down the field as well, which dont hurt the team nearly as much as the Sanchez-type Ints which were often pick 6s or in the red zone. Unless Hack is a complete abomination in the OTAs and TC, he should be given 8-10 starts thsi year no matter what. We have to find out what we have in order to make the best decisions on a QB in 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 55 minutes ago, BCJet said: No one should expect Hackenberg to become a rhythm passer who consistently completes 62-65% of his passes, certainly not in 2017 or 2018. Hackenberg's strengths are his ability to make full field reads, and his arm strength - similarly to Eli Manning (who is below 60% as a passer for his career). Eli has managed to be successful because he can hit chunk plays down the field and because his interceptions tend to be down the field as well, which dont hurt the team nearly as much as the Sanchez-type Ints which were often pick 6s or in the red zone. Unless Hack is a complete abomination in the OTAs and TC, he should be given 8-10 starts thsi year no matter what. We have to find out what we have in order to make the best decisions on a QB in 2018 Agree with this. What worries me is how he'll fair in a west coast offense, which is based on rhythm/timing/accuracy. You nailed it on the head, I don't expect Hack to be an above 60% completion guy. Like Eli, I expected to make up for that bu connecting on big time throws down field. This switch to a west coast offense gives me a little less hope for Hackenberg, but not lost hope yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ37/12 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 On 4/30/2017 at 2:34 PM, Jimmy 2 Times said: -Watching him play as a freshman I thought he'd be a GREAT pro. -I followed him kind of closely through school and was shocked by his failures. -I STILL wanted them to draft him. I believe that he will be our franchise quarterback because I have no other choice. If he sucks then I'll believe the next guy will be our franchise quarterback. If you watched him closely after O'Brien left then you would know that his "failures" were not his alone. There were plenty of reasons and most of which were out of his control. The guy got the crap knocked out of him behind a poor line and even worse coaching. They changed every thing about him, including how he had his feet set. That's like taking an established golf pro and completely changing their natural swing. It doesnt work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I hope Hackenberg is terrible so I can be right on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 48 minutes ago, NYJ37/12 said: If you watched him closely after O'Brien left then you would know that his "failures" were not his alone. There were plenty of reasons and most of which were out of his control. The guy got the crap knocked out of him behind a poor line and even worse coaching. They changed every thing about him, including how he had his feet set. That's like taking an established golf pro and completely changing their natural swing. It doesnt work. Why he sucks and is perhaps shot is to that important in the grand scheme of things. Whether the can play the game at a high level is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Supporting him and thinking he;s the answer are two very different things. Do I support him? Yes! Of Course. He's a young kid with a ton of talent and good head on his shoulders, and he has yet to be given a chance to prove himself. Why would anyone not support him? Do I believe he is the answer? Not really. Not yet at least. I definitely have doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Hack won't be in the NFL in 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ37/12 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: Why he sucks and is perhaps shot is to that important in the grand scheme of things. Whether the can play the game at a high level is. He'll be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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