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2 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Totally disagree. So does the game film. How many times did players in our secondary look around at each other after a long pass play? Time for a clean sweep in the secondary. No more pointing fingers time for plays.

Just seems like a lot of draft capital spent to try to contain TE's, RB wheel routes, and the occasional deep bomb, especially when your HC is a secondary guy and we'd already spent so much cap money on the secondary just to see it play terribly in Year 2. 

If this fails there will be finger pointing at our HC, and rightly so. 

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1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Just seems like a lot of draft capital spent to try to contain TE's, RB wheel routes, and the occasional deep bomb, especially when your HC is a secondary guy.

If this fails there will be finger pointing at our HC, and rightly so. 

Yes. It is risky and it has to work.

If the defense is bad next year Bowles needs to be fired No Doubt.

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If they kept Snacks Lee woulda been DROY. I like Lee a lot. He was a second behind a lot of plays last year, still learning and not trusting what he was seeing. He'll get better at diagnosing plays. He's gonna be a good one.

 

the smurf talk Is funny but untrue. He's the size and speed you want for today's game. 

 

His tweets scare me tho

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9 minutes ago, HessStation said:

If they kept Snacks Lee woulda been DROY. I like Lee a lot. He was a second behind a lot of plays last year, still learning and not trusting what he was seeing. He'll get better at diagnosing plays. He's gonna be a good one.

 

the smurf talk Is funny but untrue. He's the size and speed you want for today's game. 

 

His tweets scare me tho

He's the same size as Bobby Wagner.

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Lee's really a 4-3 OLB, that we are using in a 3-4 scheme as an ILB since he's not setting the edge at 230. Line him up next to Leo in a Blitz package, and rush the QB with his 4.47 speed.

Covering RB's out the back field or T.E's, but as for doing a real 3-4 ILB's job,  taking on blocks and stuffing the Running backs that's not him. He's a miscast draft pick. At his best he's not a 3 Down player, since he's sh*te in the Run game

 

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1 minute ago, Jetster said:

He's the same size as Bobby Wagner.

Yep. We went through the whole list once. It's a difference  of an inch and 5 lbs most of the time.  Jet fans are just self loathing. Myself included but if you stop and look at it objectively it's completely invalid.

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Darron Lee needs to have a huge jump this year or the bust label will start really fast. The thing is he just have to be above average and I would be happy with that progress


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14 minutes ago, HessStation said:

Yep. We went through the whole list once. It's a difference  of an inch and 5 lbs most of the time.  Jet fans are just self loathing. Myself included but if you stop and look at it objectively it's completely invalid.

He's the type of player that needs a solid amount of talent around him to be successful.  I don't think the critique is unwarranted.  I just don't thing you draft a guy like that with the 20th pick.  Just a "market inefficiency" type of deal there that Macc has seemingly had difficulty grasping at times. 

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Lee's really a 4-3 OLB, that we are using in a 3-4 scheme as an ILB since he's not setting the edge at 230. Line him up next to Leo in a Blitz package, and rush the QB with his 4.47 speed.
Covering RB's out the back field or T.E's, but as for doing a real 3-4 ILB's job,  taking on blocks and stuffing the Running backs that's not him. He's a miscast draft pick. At his best he's not a 3 Down player, since he's sh*te in the Run game
 


It seems like the Jets are always miscasting players on the DL. The problem is they don't have the offense to overcome the deficit. Seems like an eternity.

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Can't wait for the Jets next HC to be an ex Special Teams coach so in his first 2 drafts we draft K, P, and Kick Return Specialist with our 1st 3 picks in his first draft.

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One of the bigger worries is his mental state, the guy seems like a twilight zoner after a few of the things and tweets that happened this off season.

He plays fast, will cover ground and will make plays from side to side, but as I said the day he was drafted, if he is one on one in coverage with anyone it is a win for the offense.

to go along with being totally out of position and taking Pryor like angles on pass plays last year, he looked soft for a LB.

Hopefully he will take that next step but he has to make big plays or he will just be a tweener that gets taken advantage of.

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In fairness I don't see any player drafted immediately after Lee that looks like a sh*t we missed out on a really good player for Lee, Will Fuller is a one trick pony who can't catch so don't give me him.

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14 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said:

Lee's really a 4-3 OLB, that we are using in a 3-4 scheme as an ILB since he's not setting the edge at 230. Line him up next to Leo in a Blitz package, and rush the QB with his 4.47 speed.

Covering RB's out the back field or T.E's, but as for doing a real 3-4 ILB's job,  taking on blocks and stuffing the Running backs that's not him. He's a miscast draft pick. At his best he's not a 3 Down player, since he's sh*te in the Run game

 

Fair but the game has changed dramatically since the 90's/00's. The scheme they run isn't a traditional 34.

Patrick Willis is one of the greatest alltime 34 ILBs in recent memory and he was 6'1 240. Same height 5 lb more. Are we to believe Lee at 22 isn't going to naturally gain 5 lbs? 

He was only a rookie last year. He certainly wasnt great but the, he's awful, comments are baseless (not that that's you're saying but from other posters) he made some nice plays. His struggles def seemed more on recognition than getting blown off the ball. Recognition will come with time and adjusting to speed of the game. 

I think it's fair to assume hes going to get little bigger and stronger durig his first off-season w the team. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, southparkcpa said:

They said that about Coples too....     

Mike Westhoff said that Bowles was not using Lee or Richardson properly.  I tend to believe him.

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8 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

He's the type of player that needs a solid amount of talent around him to be successful.  I don't think the critique is unwarranted.  I just don't thing you draft a guy like that with the 20th pick.  Just a "market inefficiency" type of deal there that Macc has seemingly had difficulty grasping at times. 

I'd agree he was probably taken a little early. He's a second round talent but who would have probably been gone by their second round pick.  He's going to most likely have a nice long career, probably more as the complimentary player as opposed to a full on star, I'd agree. But a guy like Lee is definitely not  gonna be a bust unless he gets hurt....

again man, he was a rookie last year who made some nice plays btw. Let's give him a chance.

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3 minutes ago, detectivekimble said:

Mike Westhoff said that Bowles was not using Lee or Richardson properly.  I tend to believe him.

I'm going to quit on this coach and team the second I see that fat **** 91 on the edge. I'm seriously done DONE. Seriously man. Biggest joke of the train wreck season last year. And the fact they just left him out there...the whole ****kng time.

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3 minutes ago, HessStation said:

I'd agree he was probably taken a little early. He's a second round talent but who would have probably been gone by their second round pick.  He's going to most likely have a nice long career, probably more as the complimentary player as opposed to a full on star, I'd agree. But a guy like Lee is definitely not  gonna be a bust unless he gets hurt....

again man, he was a rookie last year who made some nice plays btw. Let's give him a chance.

 

Either way we're getting Sam Darnold.

*High 5s*

*Heads back to 100,000 Post Thread*

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3 minutes ago, detectivekimble said:

Mike Westhoff said that Bowles was not using Lee or Richardson properly.  I tend to believe him.

I would believe almost anybody who makes a critical statement of Bowles. :)

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4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

He's the type of player that needs a solid amount of talent around him to be successful.  I don't think the critique is unwarranted.  I just don't thing you draft a guy like that with the 20th pick.  Just a "market inefficiency" type of deal there that Macc has seemingly had difficulty grasping at times. 

If there was a stud olineman at that pick I agree, who were the next 15 picks, I guess I'll look it up & please don't say he could have traded back,lol.

 

 

 

 

 

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Just now, southparkcpa said:

I would believe almost anybody who makes a critical statement of Bowles. :)

He's as dumb as Herm, if not dumber.  But at least Herm could fire a team up.  Bowles has Herm's IQ and Mangini's charisma.  Bad combination.  Very bad combination.

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1 minute ago, HessStation said:

I'm going to quit on this coach and team the second I see that fat **** 91 on the edge. I'm seriously done DONE. Seriously man. Biggest joke of the train wreck season last year. And the fact they just left him out there...the whole ****kng time.

Ya that's what was the most annoying to me too... I don't care that he tried different things, and moved players out of position to see if they could play there... But once it was clear they couldn't he should have moved them back! But he kept running them out there. There was no indication the light was going to turn on for any of those guys playing out of position but he kept trying... It was poorly done. 

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Just now, Jetster said:

If there was a stud olineman at that pick I agree, who were the next 15 picks, I guess I'll look it up & please don't say he could have traded back,lol.

 

Macc's inability to trade back properly is among his biggest flaws.  In that draft, the Texans moved up from 22 to 21 in order to get Will Fuller.  Denver traded up from 32 to 26 in order to take Paxton Lynch.  The Chiefs traded up from 37 to 28. 

I find it hard to believe we couldn't have moved back. 

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Just now, DMan77 said:

Ya that's what was the most annoying to me too... I don't care that he tried different things, and moved players out of position to see if they could play there... But once it was clear they couldn't he should have moved them back! But he kept running them out there. There was no indication the light was going to turn on for any of those guys playing out of position but he kept trying... It was poorly done. 

I would honestly much rather them tell Mo to add 10lbs and move to Nose than what they tried last year. If not, then Let them rotate the 3 players at the 3tech and 5s. I literally can't deal w another year watching a DT try and play OLB. It's actually not fair to Sheldon either. 

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32 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Can't wait for the Jets next HC to be an ex Special Teams coach so in his first 2 drafts we draft K, P, and Kick Return Specialist with our 1st 3 picks in his first draft.

Well, if that's what John Harbaugh wants to do, I'd be OK with it. 😀

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20 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Macc's inability to trade back properly is among his biggest flaws.  In that draft, the Texans moved up from 22 to 21 in order to get Will Fuller.  Denver traded up from 32 to 26 in order to take Paxton Lynch.  The Chiefs traded up from 37 to 28. 

I find it hard to believe we couldn't have moved back. 

Ok, I'm gonna tear your theory to shreds regarding this trade back BS. The following list are the OTHER players taken in the 1st round of the 2016 draft:

121Houston TexansWill Fuller WRNotre DameInd. (FBS)from Washington [R1 - 8]

122Washington RedskinsJosh Doctson WRTCUBig 12from Houston [R1 - 9]

123Minnesota VikingsLaquon Treadwell WROle MissSEC

124Cincinnati BengalsWilliam Jackson III CBHoustonThe American

125Pittsburgh SteelersArtie Burns CBMiami (FL)ACC

126Denver BroncosPaxton Lynch QBMemphisThe Americanfrom Seattle [R1 - 10]

127Green Bay PackersKenny Clark DTUCLAPac-12

128San Francisco 49ersJoshua Garnett GStanfordPac-12from Kansas City [R1 - 11]

1–New England PatriotsSelection forfeited as a result of the Deflategate scandal[Forfeited 1]

129Arizona CardinalsRobert Nkemdiche DTOle MissSEC

130Carolina PanthersVernon Butler DTLouisiana TechC-USA

131Seattle SeahawksGermain Ifedi OTTexas A&MSECfrom Denver [R1 - 12]

232Cleveland BrownsEmmanuel Ogbah DEOklahoma State

So you wanted Fuller? Fuller played with Deandra f*cking Hopkins & the Texans defense was #1 in the league last year & they played with the same QB for most of the year.

Fuller a 1st round pick- 47 catches/635 yards/2-TDs Robbie Anderson 42 catches/587 yards/2-TDs AN UDFA discovered by Maccs scouts. Please, get out of here with this sh*t. Plus Stewart & Hensen will be as good or better than the 1st round Fuller.

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6 hours ago, BurnleyJet said:

Intersting take from Bucky Brooks, he was saying about all these hybrid Backer/Safeties tweener types, that are now being employed in coverage schemes.

He believes to counter this, the Offences will return to a more power running style, with Bigger linemen to physically blow them off the ball.

Lee is definatly one of these little guys. I hope he becomes good in coverage? I just don't see him becoming an impact Linebacker. He's a roll guy, coverage, Blitz schemes. 

No way can he handle Linemen coming to the second level, and blocking him. Luxury pick we should have not made in the First for me.

How many teams are implementing this Power running style? You have a point regarding Lee's limitation in respects to that style, but the important part of that is to know how many teams in our division or in the league are actually implementing that style of offense. If for the most part we're still seeing a wide open pass happy league then guys like Luke Kuechly, Telvin Smith and Darron Lee are going to have jobs in the NFL because their speed will allow them to eat up space quickly. 

What Bucky believes may not be relevant to what the Jets may face on offense on a weekly basis. If you believe Bucky then you wont believe that Lee can become an impact Linebacker, but if the league continues in this direction then there's a chance Lee can become that type of player given that this compliments his strengths. Zach Thomas couldnt play in todays league. 

So in that regard, he's less of a luxury pick given that he's the style of LB'er that the league is deploying in order to deal with pass happy teams with tight ends that no longer have to block or speedy scatbacks looking to hit the gaps set up by many of these zone blocking schemes which forces speedy defenders like  Lee to have to maintain gap responsibility.

 

Darron Lee has played 1 year of football and did flash during his rookie season. It wasnt like our coaching staff was anything great. Now we have a guy like Kevin Greene. Lets see what he can do with these young kids. 

 

 

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