CrazyCarl40 Posted May 4, 2017 Author Share Posted May 4, 2017 Just now, gEYno said: It's like you don't even appreciate the fact that with the leagues easiest schedule, Big Macc's team was pretty damn close to being a playoff participant. So close. So close. Just now, SickJetFan said: so he doesnt win superbowl in year 1 he failure...gotcha Not what I said. At all. This team needed to be blown up two seasons ago. They've wasted time, money, and resources to have missed the playoffs both years. I'm willing to allow time for roster adjustments and drafts and all that comes with building a playoff caliber team. I'm just not seeing those as the results of what's been happening as far as transactions in three offseasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 25 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said: wait what? he was not the worst the last two season, what are you talking about? who were the other that got deals? just curious Revis and Cro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, SickJetFan said: didnt they beat the pats ruin their homefield adv? dallas? other winning teams....please Dallas was crushed with injuries on their way to a 4-12 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Just now, SickJetFan said: didnt they beat the pats ruin their homefield adv? dallas? other winning teams....please I do recall beating the 4-12 Cowboys, yes. And, yes, I also remember fondly remember the one win against a team with a winning record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 21 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Reminder: to revamp a terrible secondary two seasons ago Macc handed out 4 huge deals north of 40 million total. The only guy left from that two seasons later is Buster Skrine, one of the worst players in the secondary both seasons as a Jet. Idzik didn't spend enough money under the cap during his tenure and therefore when Mac took over he was forced to spend money to reach the salary cap floor that teams are required to meet or otherwise they have to give the unspent money to the NFLPA. So in essence it didn't matter how good the player was, they had to spend the money on them irregardless. The tide in the NFL could be turning this offseason. Up to this point the NFLPA has taken a beating when it comes to the new collective bargaining agreement, which ushered in a new financial era of the NFL in 2011, one that featured the middle class being squeezed. However, the tide might be turning this offseason because of a little known poison pill called the “minimum spending floor,” which requires every NFL team to average spending at least 89% up to the salary cap floor from 2011 to 2016. If they don’t meet the 89% floor the owner of each franchise not in compliance will have to write the NFLPA a check for the difference. The NFLPA has latitude to disperse a team's shortfall to players on that team during this period. If the entire league's spending is under 95% over the 4 year period, the NFLPA can disperse that shortfall how it wants. This shortfall is secondary to any shortfall under the 89% requirement. Some big spending teams, like the Miami Dolphins, which have distributed $482 million in cash and commitments, will have no issue meeting that requirement. But half the league will be forced to spend $70 million-plus over the next two seasons to reach the minimum spending floor. And eight franchises – the Raiders, Panthers, Jaguars, Jets, Chargers, Cowboys, Colts and Giants – have to dole out over $100 million in actual cash – not contracts – over the next two years. That means we can officially see some money being spent on larger signing bonuses, and more guaranteed money these next two seasons. Here’s a list of the new money that needs to be spent by every NFL team, which is provided to us by Jimmy Halsell, an NFL agent and contract analyst, and it’s paired with the projected salary cap space for 2015. New Money to be spend in next 2 years 2015 Projected Cap Space Raiders $157,925,758 $59.9M Panthers $149,564,081 $57.9M Jaguars $132,624,833 $69M Jets $123,995,341 $50.6M Chargers $117,819,578 $26.2M Cowboys $115,744,199 $7.1M Colts $111,571,762 $41.9M Giants $109,191,935 $13.3M Titans $97,613,136 $47.1M Steelers $96,508,622 $8M Texans $89,685,111 $19.2M Redskins $89,941,915 $26.4M Patriots $85,152,744 -$11.7M Bills $82,496,413 $17.5M Bengals $79,789,965 $40M Browns $71,183,294 $53.6M Ravens $69,310,340 $4.7M Lions $64,880,927 $18.9M Buccaneers $57,882,078 $34M Cardinals $51,610,417 $14M Chiefs $48,115,622 -$5.2M Seahawks $44,003,156 $25M Rams $38,199,740 $7.5M Bears $37,729,395 $29.1M Eagles $33,753,148 $32.8M Broncos $32,150,245 $20.6M Vikings $29,350,918 $26M Falcons $29,177,921 $31.3M Saints $24,137,176 -$21.8M Packers $23,317,252 $32.6M Dolphins $10,167,523 $10.1M 49ers $7,283,654 $5.2M * These figures are projections based on figures provided by the NFLPA on March 4. * These sums will change as teams sign free agents, draft picks and restructure deals within this month, this offseason, and the next two years. * Teams in bold are franchises in the red that must reduce their cap commitments to meet the league's projections. The salary cap was set at $143 million for 2015, but most teams also feature cap carryover. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-minimum-spending-floor-could-jump-start-nfl-free-agency-this-offseason-20150305-story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Just now, CrazyCarl40 said: So close. So close. Not what I said. At all. This team needed to be blown up two seasons ago. They've wasted time, money, and resources to have missed the playoffs both years. I'm willing to allow time for roster adjustments and drafts and all that comes with building a playoff caliber team. I'm just not seeing those as the results of what's been happening as far as transactions in three offseasons. i see so you were on record to cut mangold, DBrick, and the other old agers and complained when they brought in the new secondary? at the time I didnt like Revis because of the whole Mevis thing no so much his play but i didnt mind all the spending...I guess you must have been on here complaining constantly...good for you man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: The Jets would have saved millions of dollars and had at worst equal play if that had kept him around. I break Carl's balls on the Darrin Walls thing a lot, but this is 110% true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: So close. So close. Not what I said. At all. This team needed to be blown up two seasons ago. They've wasted time, money, and resources to have missed the playoffs both years. I'm willing to allow time for roster adjustments and drafts and all that comes with building a playoff caliber team. I'm just not seeing those as the results of what's been happening as far as transactions in three offseasons. Even if one doesn't agree with Suck for Sam, or the notion that we have the NFL's worst roster, it's hard to imagine defending a GM, who is heading into his 3rd season, when either of those are a conversation. Similarly, it's hard to imagine defending a GM who is heading into his 3rd season with Josh McNown, Bryce Petty, and Christian Hackenberg as his QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted May 4, 2017 Author Share Posted May 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, MTJ06 said: Idzik didn't spend enough money under the cap during his tenure and therefore when Mac took over he was forced to spend money to reach the salary cap floor that teams are required to meet or otherwise they have to give the unspent money to the NFLPA. So in essence it didn't matter how good the player was, they had to spend the money on them irregardless. The tide in the NFL could be turning this offseason. Up to this point the NFLPA has taken a beating when it comes to the new collective bargaining agreement, which ushered in a new financial era of the NFL in 2011, one that featured the middle class being squeezed. However, the tide might be turning this offseason because of a little known poison pill called the “minimum spending floor,” which requires every NFL team to average spending at least 89% up to the salary cap floor from 2011 to 2016. If they don’t meet the 89% floor the owner of each franchise not in compliance will have to write the NFLPA a check for the difference. The NFLPA has latitude to disperse a team's shortfall to players on that team during this period. If the entire league's spending is under 95% over the 4 year period, the NFLPA can disperse that shortfall how it wants. This shortfall is secondary to any shortfall under the 89% requirement. Some big spending teams, like the Miami Dolphins, which have distributed $482 million in cash and commitments, will have no issue meeting that requirement. But half the league will be forced to spend $70 million-plus over the next two seasons to reach the minimum spending floor. And eight franchises – the Raiders, Panthers, Jaguars, Jets, Chargers, Cowboys, Colts and Giants – have to dole out over $100 million in actual cash – not contracts – over the next two years. That means we can officially see some money being spent on larger signing bonuses, and more guaranteed money these next two seasons. Here’s a list of the new money that needs to be spent by every NFL team, which is provided to us by Jimmy Halsell, an NFL agent and contract analyst, and it’s paired with the projected salary cap space for 2015. New Money to be spend in next 2 years 2015 Projected Cap Space Raiders $157,925,758 $59.9M Panthers $149,564,081 $57.9M Jaguars $132,624,833 $69M Jets $123,995,341 $50.6M Chargers $117,819,578 $26.2M Cowboys $115,744,199 $7.1M Colts $111,571,762 $41.9M Giants $109,191,935 $13.3M Titans $97,613,136 $47.1M Steelers $96,508,622 $8M Texans $89,685,111 $19.2M Redskins $89,941,915 $26.4M Patriots $85,152,744 -$11.7M Bills $82,496,413 $17.5M Bengals $79,789,965 $40M Browns $71,183,294 $53.6M Ravens $69,310,340 $4.7M Lions $64,880,927 $18.9M Buccaneers $57,882,078 $34M Cardinals $51,610,417 $14M Chiefs $48,115,622 -$5.2M Seahawks $44,003,156 $25M Rams $38,199,740 $7.5M Bears $37,729,395 $29.1M Eagles $33,753,148 $32.8M Broncos $32,150,245 $20.6M Vikings $29,350,918 $26M Falcons $29,177,921 $31.3M Saints $24,137,176 -$21.8M Packers $23,317,252 $32.6M Dolphins $10,167,523 $10.1M 49ers $7,283,654 $5.2M * These figures are projections based on figures provided by the NFLPA on March 4. * These sums will change as teams sign free agents, draft picks and restructure deals within this month, this offseason, and the next two years. * Teams in bold are franchises in the red that must reduce their cap commitments to meet the league's projections. The salary cap was set at $143 million for 2015, but most teams also feature cap carryover. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-minimum-spending-floor-could-jump-start-nfl-free-agency-this-offseason-20150305-story.html So because the Jets had to spend money when Macc took over, it's okay those players sucked because, hey salary floor? That's some logic. Or. You know. Pony up the money for young talent two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: So because the Jets had to spend money when Macc took over, it's okay those players sucked because, hey salary floor? That's some logic. Or. You know. Pony up the money for young talent two years ago. what young talent would you like to have signed to a big contract back then? Tanny and Idziks drafts were terrible the 4 years before Mac arrived. Sheldon? Glad Mac didnt make that move. Also look at the money other teams had available to spend. Do you think we got every free agent we wanted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 26 minutes ago, varjet said: The Jets had a decent defense in 2015. Those guys basically kept the Jets competitive then. But with Revis falling apart and Cromartie needing to be cut for cap reasons, that group completely collapsed. But yes, the money spent on the secondary was not a good investment by the Jets. At this point in time the Jets appear to have learned their lesson and are doing things differently. Now. Differently as in cutting and restarting? Or you mean Mac's scouts do a better job scouting college kids than him evaluating current NFL players? You'd think evaluating FAs would be a lot easier than predicting how college kids would play in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 14 minutes ago, MTJ06 said: Idzik didn't spend enough money under the cap during his tenure and therefore when Mac took over he was forced to spend money to reach the salary cap floor that teams are required to meet or otherwise they have to give the unspent money to the NFLPA. So in essence it didn't matter how good the player was, they had to spend the money on them irregardless. The tide in the NFL could be turning this offseason. Up to this point the NFLPA has taken a beating when it comes to the new collective bargaining agreement, which ushered in a new financial era of the NFL in 2011, one that featured the middle class being squeezed. However, the tide might be turning this offseason because of a little known poison pill called the “minimum spending floor,” which requires every NFL team to average spending at least 89% up to the salary cap floor from 2011 to 2016. If they don’t meet the 89% floor the owner of each franchise not in compliance will have to write the NFLPA a check for the difference. The NFLPA has latitude to disperse a team's shortfall to players on that team during this period. If the entire league's spending is under 95% over the 4 year period, the NFLPA can disperse that shortfall how it wants. This shortfall is secondary to any shortfall under the 89% requirement. Some big spending teams, like the Miami Dolphins, which have distributed $482 million in cash and commitments, will have no issue meeting that requirement. But half the league will be forced to spend $70 million-plus over the next two seasons to reach the minimum spending floor. And eight franchises – the Raiders, Panthers, Jaguars, Jets, Chargers, Cowboys, Colts and Giants – have to dole out over $100 million in actual cash – not contracts – over the next two years. That means we can officially see some money being spent on larger signing bonuses, and more guaranteed money these next two seasons. Here’s a list of the new money that needs to be spent by every NFL team, which is provided to us by Jimmy Halsell, an NFL agent and contract analyst, and it’s paired with the projected salary cap space for 2015. New Money to be spend in next 2 years 2015 Projected Cap Space Raiders $157,925,758 $59.9M Panthers $149,564,081 $57.9M Jaguars $132,624,833 $69M Jets $123,995,341 $50.6M Chargers $117,819,578 $26.2M Cowboys $115,744,199 $7.1M Colts $111,571,762 $41.9M Giants $109,191,935 $13.3M Titans $97,613,136 $47.1M Steelers $96,508,622 $8M Texans $89,685,111 $19.2M Redskins $89,941,915 $26.4M Patriots $85,152,744 -$11.7M Bills $82,496,413 $17.5M Bengals $79,789,965 $40M Browns $71,183,294 $53.6M Ravens $69,310,340 $4.7M Lions $64,880,927 $18.9M Buccaneers $57,882,078 $34M Cardinals $51,610,417 $14M Chiefs $48,115,622 -$5.2M Seahawks $44,003,156 $25M Rams $38,199,740 $7.5M Bears $37,729,395 $29.1M Eagles $33,753,148 $32.8M Broncos $32,150,245 $20.6M Vikings $29,350,918 $26M Falcons $29,177,921 $31.3M Saints $24,137,176 -$21.8M Packers $23,317,252 $32.6M Dolphins $10,167,523 $10.1M 49ers $7,283,654 $5.2M * These figures are projections based on figures provided by the NFLPA on March 4. * These sums will change as teams sign free agents, draft picks and restructure deals within this month, this offseason, and the next two years. * Teams in bold are franchises in the red that must reduce their cap commitments to meet the league's projections. The salary cap was set at $143 million for 2015, but most teams also feature cap carryover. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-minimum-spending-floor-could-jump-start-nfl-free-agency-this-offseason-20150305-story.html The stuff you bolded shows why Jets did NOT need to spend a sh*t ton. It says Jets had to dole out more than 100mil over two years. My math might be weak, but when your salary cap is over 150mil, chances are your actual cash spending would be in the vicinity as well. At least in the long run. UNLESS you paid a sh!t ton of money in signing bonuses the year before, which we didn't. When you've spent almost the entire cap every year, you don't need to worry about cash spending. Its ONLY 89%. Which means, over a 4 year period, if the salary cap average was 150mil, total salary cap would be 600mil. Spending 89% of that money would mean spending 534 mil. In other words, you can have a 66mil cap space left over and carry it to the future. Jets literally could've sat there without spending a dime and would've been fine. Mind blown right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge4Tide Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Updated roster...we're still 2 over by my count. Likely two of the announced UDFAs are tryout players instead of a contract players UPDATED May 4, 2017 TOTAL - 92/90 OFFENSE - 44 Quarterback - 3 9 - Bryce Petty 6'3" 230 Baylor 5 - Christian Hackenberg 6'4" 225 Penn State x - Josh McCown 6'4 218 Sam Houston State (2017 Free Agent Signing) Running Back - 7 29 - Bilal Powell 5'11" 207 Louisville 22 - Matt Forte 6'2" 218 Tulane xx - Elijah McGuire 5'10" 214 LA-Lafayette (KR) (2017 Draft Pick) 34 - Brandon Wilds 6'2" 220 South Carolina 33 - Romar Morris 5'9" 190 North Carolina (2016 Injured Reserve) xx - Julian Howsare 6'3" 255 Clarion (FB) xx - Anthony Firsker 6'2" 245 Harvard (FB) (UDFA) Tight End - 6 88 - Austin Seferian-Jenkins 6'5" 260 Washington (2 Game Suspension) xx - Jordan Legget 6'5" 258 Clemson (2017 Draft Pick) 83 - Eric Tomlinson 6'6" 263 UTEP 84 - Braedon Bowman 6'4" 244 South Alabama (2016 Injured Reserve) 85 - Jason Vander Laan 6'4" 244 Ferris State (2016 Practice Squad) xx - Brian Parker 6'4" 265 Albany Wide Receiver - 14 87 - Eric Decker 6'3" 214 Minnesota (2016 Injured Reserve) 81 - Quincy Enunwa 6'2" 225 Nebraska xx - Ardarius Stewart 5'11" 204 Alabama (2017 Draft Pick) xx - Chad Hansen 6'2" 202 Washington (2017 Draft Pick) 89 - Jalin Marshall 5'10" 200 Ohio State (4 Game Suspension) 11 - Robby Anderson 6'3" 190 Temple 17 - Charone Peake 6'3" 205 Clemson xx - Quinton Patton 6'0 204 Louisiana Tech (2017 Free Agent Signing) xx - Myles White 6'0" 185 Louisiana Tech xx - Deshon Foxx 5'10" 177 UCONN xx - Frankie Hammond 6'1" 184 Florida xx - Gabe Marks 6'0" 176 Washington State (UDFA) xx - Brisly Estime 5'9" 176 Syracuse (KR) (UDFA) 19 - Devin Smith 6'0" 196 Ohio State (INJURED - OUT FOR 2017 SEASON) Offensive Line - 14 77 - James Carpenter 6'5 321 Alabama (G) 67 - Brian Winters 6'4" 320 (G) 76 - Wesley Johnson 6'5" 297 (C/G) (Restricted Free Agent - RE-SIGNED) xx - Kelvin Beachum 6"3" 303 (T) SMU (2017 Free Agent Signing) 72 - Brandon Shell 6'5" 325 South Carolina (T/G) 79 - Brent Qvale 6'7 315 Nebraska (T) 70 - Dakota Dozier 6'4" 313 Furman (C/G/T) 71 - Ben Ijalana 6'4" 322 Villanova (T/G) (Unrestricted Free Agent - RE-SIGNED) XX - Jonotthan Harrison 6"4" 300 Florida (C/G)(2017 Free Agent Signing) 64 - Craig Watts 6'3" 344 West Texas A+M (G) 69 - Donald Hawkins 6'4" 310 Texas (T) (Exclusive Rights Free Agent) xx - Jeff Adams 6'7" 305 Columbia (T/G) xx - Javarius Leamon 6'7" 315 South Carolina St (T) (UDFA) xx - Alex Balducci 6'4" 310 Oregon (C) (Waiver Claim 49ers) DEFENSE - 43 Defensive Line - 11 96 - Muhammad Wilkerson 6'4" 315 Temple (DT/DE) 92 - Leonard Williams 6'5 300 USC (DE/DT) 91 - Sheldon Richardson 6'3" 294 Missouri (DT/DE) 99 - Steve McLendon 6'3" 310 Troy (DT) 95 - Deon Simon 6'4" 330 Northwest St LA (DT) 75 - Anthony Johnson 6'2" 295 LSU (DT) xx - Mike Pennel 6'4" 332 Duke (DT) CSU-Pueblo (Restricted Free Agent - RE-SIGNED) 97 - Lawrence Thomas 6'4" 305 Michigan State (DE/DT) (2016 Injured Reserve) 66 - Claude Pelon 6'4" 300 USC (DL) 94 - Brandin Bryant 6'2" 289 FAU (DT) (Exclusive Rights Free Agent) xx - Patrick Gamble 6'5" 277 Georgia Tech (DE/DT) (UDFA) Linebacker - 15 52 - David Harris 6'2" 245 Michigan 55 - Lorenzo Mauldin 6'4" 259 Louisville 48 - Jordan Jenkins 6'3" 259 Ohio State 50 - Darron Lee 6'1" 235 Ohio State xx - Dylan Donahue 6'3" 248 West Georgia (2017 Draft Pick) 44 - Corey Lemonier 6'3" 255 Auburn (Unrestricted Free Agent - RE-SIGNED) 95 - Josh Martin 6'3" 245 Columbia (Unrestricted Free Agent - RE-SIGNED) 56 - Freddie Bishop 6'4" 260 Western Michigan 51 - Julian Stanford 6'1" 230 Wagner 54 - Bruce Carter 6'2" 240 North Carolina ( xx - Frank Beltre 6'2" 246 Towson (CFL) 49 - Randell Johnson 6'4" 245 FAU (Restricted Free Agent) xx - Connor Harris 5'11" 242 Lindenwood (FB?) (UDFA) xx - Austin Calitro 6'0" 240 Villanova (UDFA) xx - Jareid Combs 6'3" 253 North Texas (DE/OLB) (UDFA) Cornerback - 11 41 - Buster Skrine 5'9" 185 Tennessee-Chattanooga 20 - Marcus Williams 5'11" 195 North Dakota State (Restricted Free Agent- RE-SIGNED) xx - Morris Claiborne 5'11" 192 LSU (2017 Free Agent Signing) 32 - Juston Burris 6'0" 205 NC State 27 - Darryl Roberts 6'0" 182 Marshall xx - Jeremy Clark 6'3" 220 Michigan (2017 Draft Pick) xx - Derrick Jones 6'2" 188 Mississippi (2017 Draft Pick) 23 - Dexter McDougle 5'10" 196 Maryland (Restricted Free Agent) 37 - Bryson Keeton 6'2" 190 Montana State xx - John Ojo 6'3" 205 Florida A&M (CFL) xx - Xavier Coleman 5'11" 189 Portland State (UDFA) Safety - 6 25 - Calvin Pryor 5'11" 207 Louisville xx - Jamal Adams 6'0" 214 LSU (2017 Draft Pick) xx - Marcus Maye 6'0" 210 Florida(2017 Draft Pick) 45 - Rontez Miles 6'1" 210 California (PA) 36 - Doug Middleton 6'0" 210 Appalachian State 42 - Ronald Martin 6'2" 220 LSU SPECIAL TEAMS - 5 Punter - 1 4 - Lac Edwards 6'4" 215 Sam Houston State Kicker - 2 x - Chandler Catanzaro 6"3" 200 Clemson (2017 Free Agent Signing) X - Ross Martin 5'9" 183 Duke Long Snapper - 2 46 - Tanner Purdum 6'3" 275 (Unrestricted Free Agent - RE-SIGNED) xx - Zach Triner 6'3" 245 Assumption College PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO PERFORM (PUP) - 0 -- PRACTICE SQUAD - 0 -- RELEASED / DECLINED OPTION 33 - Khiry Robinson 6'0" 220 West Texas A&M (RB) (Restricted Free Agent) 26 - Brandon Burks 5'9" 208 Troy (RB) (Exclusive Rights Free Agent) 31 - Chris Swain 6'0" 249 Navy (FB) (2016 Practice Squad) 15 - Brandon Marshall 6'4" 230 Central Florida (WR) (Signed with Giants) 18 - Darius Jennings 5'10" 169 UVA (2016 Practice Squad) 74 - Nick Mangold 6'4" 305 Ohio State (C) 78 - Ryan Clady 6-6 315 (T) (2016 Injured Reserve) 68 - Breno Giacomini 6'7" 318 Louisville (T) 65 - Julien Obioha 6'4" 280 TAMU (DE) (2016 Injured Reserve) 62 - Kenny Anunika 6'5" 276 Duke (DE) 58 - Erin Henderson 6'3" 244 Maryland (LB) xx - Jeff Luc 6'1" 256 Cincinnati (LB) 24 - Darrelle Revis 5'11" 198 Pitt (CB) 30 - Nick Marshall 6'1" 206 Auburn (CB) (Exclusive Rights Free Agent) (4 Game Suspension) 21 - Marcus Gilchrist 5'10 198 Clemson (S) (2016 Injured Reserve) xx - Josh Latham 6'2" 250 Sacremento St (LS) 2 - Nick Folk 6'2" 222 Arizona (PK) (Signed with Bucs) UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS 7 - Geno Smith 6'2" 221 WVU (2016 Injured Reserve)(QB) (Signed with Giants) 14 - Ryan Fitzpatrick 6'2" 223 Harvard (QB) 47 - Kellen Davis 6'7" 265 Michigan State (2016 Injured Reserve) (TE) 82 - Brandon Bostick 6'3" 250 Newberry (TE) 53 - Mike Catapano 6'4" 270 Princeton (LB) 39 - Antonio Allen 6'1 210 South Carolina (2016 Injured Reserve) (S) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 57 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Reminder: to revamp a terrible secondary two seasons ago Macc handed out 4 huge deals north of 40 million total. The only guy left from that two seasons later is Buster Skrine, one of the worst players in the secondary both seasons as a Jet. Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 31 minutes ago, chirorob said: Dallas was crushed with injuries on their way to a 4-12 season. funny how nobody brings up the Pats easy schedules every year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guilhermezmc Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 He played very well in the 1st season with us, Pryor is much worse than he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 26 minutes ago, j4jets said: The stuff you bolded shows why Jets did NOT need to spend a sh*t ton. It says Jets had to dole out more than 100mil over two years. My math might be weak, but when your salary cap is over 150mil, chances are your actual cash spending would be in the vicinity as well. At least in the long run. UNLESS you paid a sh!t ton of money in signing bonuses the year before, which we didn't. When you've spent almost the entire cap every year, you don't need to worry about cash spending. Its ONLY 89%. Which means, over a 4 year period, if the salary cap average was 150mil, total salary cap would be 600mil. Spending 89% of that money would mean spending 534 mil. In other words, you can have a 66mil cap space left over and carry it to the future. Jets literally could've sat there without spending a dime and would've been fine. Mind blown right? Mind not blown. The problem was idzik didn't spend the money so we didnt spend almost the entire cap every year. The Jets' only change is the large surplus for use in the future. They're sitting on over $20 million in cap space and have the NFL's lowest payroll at just over $96 million. http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/new-york-jets-salary-cap-situation-numbers-general-manager-john-idzik-roster-draft-picks-salaries-problems-rex-ryan/16xtc8ntwh1r31ku6iw4y9dyyw Here's more from Cimini: The Jets have $98.75 million committed to the 2015 cap, according to ESPN Stats & Information. Right now, the league projects the cap to be $138.6 million to $141.8 million -- and it could go even higher. By rule, they're not allowed to be cheap, as they were under former GM John Idzik. The collective bargaining agreement requires teams to spend 89 percent of the salary cap in cash over four-year periods, from 2013 to 2016 and 2017 to 2020. In 2014, the Jets were 30th in spending ($106.295 million) and below the 89-percent threshold since 2013 at 84.56 percent, according to CBSSports.com. http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/48384/jets-have-favorable-salary-cap-situation-for-next-gm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Horrible player. The head coach is a DB coach who can't coach DBs. The GM gets the DBHC any player he wants and gets the same results on defense year in and year out. The Pats could have put up 100 points on us in both games last year. Think about the resources this team has burned on ******* safeties in just three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Macc signed Skrine, Revis, Cromartie and Gilchrist. No one in the last two seasons has been worse than Buster Skrine. He is awful. Revi$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Just now, MTJ06 said: Mind not blown. The problem was idzik didn't spend the money so we didnt spend almost the entire cap every year. The Jets' only change is the large surplus for use in the future. They're sitting on over $20 million in cap space and have the NFL's lowest payroll at just over $96 million. http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/new-york-jets-salary-cap-situation-numbers-general-manager-john-idzik-roster-draft-picks-salaries-problems-rex-ryan/16xtc8ntwh1r31ku6iw4y9dyyw Didn't read that article, but what the Jets did not spend, was rolled forward, hence the 50 mil cap space. Formula is very basic 4 years cap space - (4 years cap space X 0.89) = Cap space you can have without paying a penalty. (155+143+133+123 = 554) - (554 X 0.89 = 493) = 61 mil in cap space before Jets paid any penalty This assumes that actual spend is the same as salary cap, which it almost is in the long run. So again, Jets could've sat there like idiots (just like Bowles) and still would've been fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 2 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Reminder: to revamp a terrible secondary two seasons ago Macc handed out 4 huge deals north of 40 million total. The only guy left from that two seasons later is Buster Skrine, one of the worst players in the secondary both seasons as a Jet. Can't blame a GM for not seeing the future and anticipating injuries. No one expected Revis to fall off a cliff (No blame) No one expected Gilchrist to get hurt (No blame) (Same reason why I dont blame him for Devin Smith) The one I do blame him for is Skrine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 2 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Reminder: to revamp a terrible secondary two seasons ago Macc handed out 4 huge deals north of 40 million total. The only guy left from that two seasons later is Buster Skrine, one of the worst players in the secondary both seasons as a Jet. Just a matter of time till he's gone too. He counts more against the cap than either Gilchrist, or Pryor. And Decker is even higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 1 hour ago, SickJetFan said: funny how nobody brings up the Pats easy schedules every year It helps that they play in the East, where none of the teams can really figure out what they are doing for more than a year or 2. If they were in the AFC North it'd be a little tougher. But, you can only play your schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 27 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Can't blame a GM for not seeing the future and anticipating injuries. No one expected Revis to fall off a cliff (No blame) No one expected Gilchrist to get hurt (No blame) (Same reason why I dont blame him for Devin Smith) The one I do blame him for is Skrine. ITS THE GM'S JOB TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 23 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Can't blame a GM for not seeing the future and anticipating injuries. No one expected Revis to fall off a cliff (No blame) No one expected Gilchrist to get hurt (No blame) (Same reason why I dont blame him for Devin Smith) The one I do blame him for is Skrine. He came in and had to build a team for the short term, now he's beginning to execute his long term plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 52 minutes ago, j4jets said: Didn't read that article, but what the Jets did not spend, was rolled forward, hence the 50 mil cap space. Formula is very basic 4 years cap space - (4 years cap space X 0.89) = Cap space you can have without paying a penalty. (155+143+133+123 = 554) - (554 X 0.89 = 493) = 61 mil in cap space before Jets paid any penalty This assumes that actual spend is the same as salary cap, which it almost is in the long run. So again, Jets could've sat there like idiots (just like Bowles) and still would've been fine. except for the fact that if you read the articles you would have know that the actual cap figures were higher and our spend rate was 84.56% the prior 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, long suffering jets fan said: He came in and had to build a team for the short term, now he's beginning to execute his long term plan. I mean those things are not mutually exclusive. The frustration is that all the money was spent getting those players and all of them are gone or worthless. 0 long term answers were found. 50 million in contracts for 15 wins in 2 seasons. And now in season 3 we have the "worst roster in the NFL" and 0 at the most important positions in football - pass rusher, cornerback (though I'd argue that good safeties alter the thinking here), LT and Qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 2 hours ago, varjet said: The Jets had a decent defense in 2015. Those guys basically kept the Jets competitive then. But with Revis falling apart and Cromartie needing to be cut for cap reasons, that group completely collapsed. But yes, the money spent on the secondary was not a good investment by the Jets. At this point in time the Jets appear to have learned their lesson and are doing things differently. Now. by drafting safeties which don't draw as large of salaries as corners! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Another disappointing Free Agent gone. I thought I was gonna like Gilchrist more tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Horrible player. The head coach is a DB coach who can't coach DBs. The GM gets the DBHC any player he wants and gets the same results on defense year in and year out. The Pats could have put up 100 points on us in both games last year. Think about the resources this team has burned on ******* safeties in just three years. Pryor was the previous regime. Signing Gilchrist didn't work out. The fact you're already talking about Adams and Maye as wasted picks makes me want to slap the living sh*t out of you and shake you by the shoulders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, HessStation said: Pryor was the previous regime. Signing Gilchrist didn't work out. The fact you're already talking about Adams and Maye as wasted picks makes me want to slap the living sh*t out of you and shake you by the shoulders. I'm hopeful Adams and Mayes can overcome the Bowles Disadvantage in the same way I rooted for those awful point guards in Hoop Dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I'm hopeful Adams and Mayes can overcome the Bowles Disadvantage in the same way I rooted for those awful point guards in Hoop Dreams. Bowles ruined Revis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Walrus Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 You don't as a rule get long term players through free agency. It's an exception if you do. They come in , do a job and leave or are let go. Gilchrist did his job (mainly in 2015) and is gone. Move on. Mac tried the competitive rebuild and IMO hasn't worked out. Listening to Woody the other day they are build by the draft all the way and that appears to be the case based on the very little activity in FA. We signed a bit of depth this year and that was it. McCown being an exception for reasons they stated. I've no issue with Mac to date. He's a young GM and no doubt if you asked him what does he know about the job now compared to this time in 2015 it would be night and day. People pick out his draft 'busts', well, I'm sure you could go through 31 other rosters and picks from the last 2 years and find that in all of them. Hits and misses are inevitable. So I won't be to party blowing up the GM position again, when the only alternative given is a lucky dip. We're going to see this through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Just now, kdels62 said: I mean those things are not mutually exclusive. The frustration is that all the money was spent getting those players and all of them are gone or worthless. 0 long term answers were found. 50 million in contracts for 15 wins in 2 seasons. And now in season 3 we have the "worst roster in the NFL" and 0 at the most important positions in football - pass rusher, cornerback (though I'd argue that good safeties alter the thinking here), LT and Qb. Agreed they aren't mutually exclusive, but I'm hoping some of the younger guys who were sitting behind the vets are ready to emerge now. The amount the Jets are paying the OL tells me they have guys they believe in and want to keep around. Winters and Carpenter are 5th and 6th highest paid players on the team and Ijalana is up there too and will likely be our left tackle. With a weak T class they opted to sign Beacham since Shell is young and inexperienced. Wesley Johnson made Nick Mangold expendable and we opted to draft WRs even though some good centers were available, this tells me Decker is on his way out (this year, or next) and that we're happy with Wesley Johnson at Center. At QB, if we thought there was someone better than we had we would have picked them. As for CB, we have Claiborne, Williams, Burris, Roberts, Skrine, McDougle and a couple of rookies. Hopefully we can find 2-3 serviceable corners out of that mix, have better safety play and enough money to sign, or trade for another good player (Sherman?) Pass rushing is going to be a mystery, but you would have thought we would have been better last year. Maybe if we can cover better we'll get more sacks. If nothing else this is going to be an interesting and unpredictable season. We may be terrible in the beginning, but if we can find some future stars we can build around I'd consider it a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 37 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Bowles ruined Revis. Revis ruined Revis and while he was at it he ruined the whole defense. Guy came into camp overweight and out of shape. Guys looked up to him and he set a poor example while other vets (Wilkerson and Richardson) followed Revis' lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.