HessStation Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Which would you rather take in the upcoming draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Ball. Father and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Fultz, Fox, Ball, Smith, then French Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 I'll take any. But that will be hard since we will be picking 10th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 1 hour ago, SMC said: Fultz, Fox, Ball, Smith, then French Kid Monk is going to be a scoring demon in the NBA I love Nkitlina's physical intangibles. He has the body and length of a young Dwayne Wade. I pray he falls to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 8th overall...nvm. the Knicks are as big a disaster as The Jets. I will say fwiw I would have rather Fox and think Ball will eventually implode due to his father within the first couple years in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 21 minutes ago, HessStation said: 8th overall...nvm. the Knicks are as big a disaster as The Jets. I will say fwiw I would have rather Fox and think Ball will eventually implode due to his father within the first couple years in the league. Lebron and a couple other guys have already said they will target Ball next year. Most mock drafts have the Knicks getting Dennis Smith at 8 which is fine but I think Frank Ntikilina has way bigger upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, thadude said: Lebron and a couple other guys have already said they will target Ball next year. Most mock drafts have the Knicks getting Dennis Smith at 8 which is fine but I think Frank Ntikilina has way bigger upside. yeah, I feel bad for Ball bc as a player I freaking love him but I think all the off court stuff is only going to magnify 10x over when he becomes a pro. Wait until a losing record or couple bad playoff loses and the dad's chirping on ESPN...it's going to turn into a colossal cluster**** I would bet money on it. I don't mind Smith, if there wouldn't be a bad consolation prize. I agree with you on the french kid. I've been looking too and have seen Monk at 8 as well. For me personally I'm not nearly as big a basketball fan or college basketball fan but I just love Fox's game. I was just going through some post lottery mocks and there is still going to be some talent at PG, or hoping there should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 I would actually rather Smith than Ball. So there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Ball's only real weakness is shooting, which he'll develop over time. He's the clear # 1 choice for Boston, even if Ball desperately wants to stay in LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 12 hours ago, HessStation said: yeah, I feel bad for Ball bc as a player I freaking love him but I think all the off court stuff is only going to magnify 10x over when he becomes a pro. Wait until a losing record or couple bad playoff loses and the dad's chirping on ESPN...it's going to turn into a colossal cluster**** I would bet money on it. I don't mind Smith, if there wouldn't be a bad consolation prize. I agree with you on the french kid. I've been looking too and have seen Monk at 8 as well. For me personally I'm not nearly as big a basketball fan or college basketball fan but I just love Fox's game. I was just going through some post lottery mocks and there is still going to be some talent at PG, or hoping there should be. Luckily this is the deepest draft in years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 11 hours ago, HessStation said: I would actually rather Smith than Ball. So there's that. My concern with Smith is lack of wingspan. He still has a good NBA body and is stronger and more developed than the other top pg's in the draft. I think he projects as a Rajon Rondo type which is fine because we need a pg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 18, 2017 Author Share Posted May 18, 2017 18 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Ball's only real weakness is shooting, which he'll develop over time. He's the clear # 1 choice for Boston, even if Ball desperately wants to stay in LA. It would be my issue w Fox too. Shooting. But it sounds like Fox might be the better defender out of the group? Dude brought it up and it's a good point. At least 5 really good PG prospects, 6 if you want to count Monk as a PG, so there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 1 hour ago, HessStation said: It would be my issue w Fox too. Shooting. But it sounds like Fox might be the better defender out of the group? Dude brought it up and it's a good point. At least 5 really good PG prospects, 6 if you want to count Monk as a PG, so there's that. Monk is a shooting guard in a point guard's body. But he is a sick scorer no way he falls to us at 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 18, 2017 Author Share Posted May 18, 2017 15 minutes ago, thadude said: Monk is a shooting guard in a point guard's body. But he is a sick scorer no way he falls to us at 8 hmm I don't know. there's actually a lot of talent in this draft at least. This could be one of those drafts where you start to see the next generational shift. Who are the first 7 gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 13 hours ago, HessStation said: hmm I don't know. there's actually a lot of talent in this draft at least. This could be one of those drafts where you start to see the next generational shift. It's much needed for anyone who cares about the league. The worst playoffs in a long, long time for the league. And even though we had good stories in the regular season, much of it was clouded by all the players sitting and the knowledge that it was futile to expect anything other than Warriors-Cavs in the Finals. The league needs a lot of elite, young and hungry talent right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 On 5/16/2017 at 1:19 PM, thadude said: Monk is going to be a scoring demon in the NBA I love Nkitlina's physical intangibles. He has the body and length of a young Dwayne Wade. I pray he falls to us I'm conflicted on Smith and Ntilikina. I like Ntilikina for the reasons you mentioned, but Smith is an explosive scorer. I'm not high on Monk because of his lack of length (height and arm length). He doesn't have the handle of a PG so he'll have a difficult time shooting over taller defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 This is an NBA exec on Monk as reported in NY Post. He's too short to play SG. He has to be a PG but he doesn't want to: Quote “[Monk is] a volume shooter,’’ a Western Conference executive said. “He’s all about cutting and moving. He’s a helluva shooter. … With him, he needs to play point and it’s not a position he wants to play. He’s a talented kid, but a 6-3 two-guard is tiny.’’ http://nypost.com/2017/05/18/kentucky-star-on-knicks-radar-but-can-he-switch-to-point-guard/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 On 5/17/2017 at 9:43 PM, HessStation said: hmm I don't know. there's actually a lot of talent in this draft at least. This could be one of those drafts where you start to see the next generational shift. Who are the first 7 gone? Fultze, Ball, Fox, Monk, Isaac, Josh Jackson, Tatum NBA screws us again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 On 5/18/2017 at 9:29 PM, SMC said: This is an NBA exec on Monk as reported in NY Post. He's too short to play SG. He has to be a PG but he doesn't want to: http://nypost.com/2017/05/18/kentucky-star-on-knicks-radar-but-can-he-switch-to-point-guard/ Steph Curry was the same thing coming out of college that's how he almost fell to us in the draft I think he was only one spot away from becoming a Knick. There's no defense in the NBA anymore. It's all about spacing and pacing that's why James Harden can be dominant if Harden played in the 90's he'd be a good player but not MVP caliber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 20, 2017 Author Share Posted May 20, 2017 1 hour ago, thadude said: Fultze, Ball, Fox, Monk, Isaac, Josh Jackson, Tatum NBA screws us again I think I'd rather Dennis Smith than 4 of those players. Honestly this might turn out ok. Ktilakina, to your point, could also be exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 When I first read the title I thought this was a Fox SPorts vs Lavar Ball thread since they are attacking him for his apparent "disrespect" of Kristine Leahy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 On 5/17/2017 at 2:31 AM, Jetsfan80 said: Ball's only real weakness is shooting, which he'll develop over time. He's the clear # 1 choice for Boston, even if Ball desperately wants to stay in LA. Ball shot 55% from the field as a freshman. That's pretty damn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 On May 20, 2017 at 1:17 PM, HessStation said: I think I'd rather Dennis Smith than 4 of those players. Honestly this might turn out ok. Ktilakina, to your point, could also be exciting. The good thing about Smith is his body looks more NBA ready than even Ball or Fultze He has flaws in his game like he likes to go left too much but he's only a kid and can learn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/20/2017 at 0:40 PM, thadude said: Steph Curry was the same thing coming out of college that's how he almost fell to us in the draft I think he was only one spot away from becoming a Knick. There's no defense in the NBA anymore. It's all about spacing and pacing that's why James Harden can be dominant if Harden played in the 90's he'd be a good player but not MVP caliber. But Steph Curry was always a PG. Monk has never been and doesn't want to be a PG. He's a shrimp for a SG. An NBA defender won't need to be elite to stop him because Monk is so short for the position. He has to be PG at the pro level or he's a bench player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 On 5/26/2017 at 9:55 PM, SMC said: But Steph Curry was always a PG. Monk has never been and doesn't want to be a PG. He's a shrimp for a SG. An NBA defender won't need to be elite to stop him because Monk is so short for the position. He has to be PG at the pro level or he's a bench player. Monk can create his own shot and score from anywhere. Offensively he will be fine. Defensively yes he will be a liability but no one plays D today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, thadude said: Monk can create his own shot and score from anywhere. Offensively he will be fine. Defensively yes he will be a liability but no one plays D today. ...which is partially why I like Fox so much. BTW Ntilikina is "suppose to be" the best defensive player in the whole draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 12 hours ago, HessStation said: ...which is partially why I like Fox so much. BTW Ntilikina is "suppose to be" the best defensive player in the whole draft. Love his long wing span and watching his tape from Europe you can tell he enjoys playing D I know Phil is locked into him after watching how Scottie Pippen and Ron Harper gave teams fits with their defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 13 hours ago, HessStation said: ...which is partially why I like Fox so much. BTW Ntilikina is "suppose to be" the best defensive player in the whole draft. Ntilikina is 6'6" with a 7 foot wingspan. It's crazy. He's not a super athlete like Fultz, Fox and Smith so that's why he's in the 8-12 range. He can knock down an outside shot, though. I'll be happy with him at 8. I don't like Monk for the reasons I've mentioned. I like Smith but his knee is a big concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Fox, all day everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 45 minutes ago, SMC said: Ntilikina is 6'6" with a 7 foot wingspan. It's crazy. He's not a super athlete like Fultz, Fox and Smith so that's why he's in the 8-12 range. He can knock down an outside shot, though. I'll be happy with him at 8. I don't like Monk for the reasons I've mentioned. I like Smith but his knee is a big concern. I think I'm right there with you on everything. And again, people can say I'm crazy but I really don't want Ball. The whole thing w his father is going to implode on a team. Too much baggage imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 https://deanondraft.com/2017/05/30/lonzo-ball-point-god-or-no-points-guard/ The Dad is only a distraction if you let him be one. He's an insanely good prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 41 minutes ago, Matt39 said: https://deanondraft.com/2017/05/30/lonzo-ball-point-god-or-no-points-guard/ The Dad is only a distraction if you let him be one. He's an insanely good prospect. I think the first question that lead me to post was who is the best and I think it's a legit premise that Ball is the most talented overall, taking ALL metrics into consideration. Maybe a better shooter than Fox, more length than Fultz or Smith and Smith's knee being a concern. But when you add risk the dad comes into play for me and honestly, I can see the whole thing imploding. Maybe not at first. But whether it takes a losing streak or a first round sweep there's going to be a breaking point with the fans and media. It's not about an individual fan letting him become a distraction. He'll be one (the dad). The media and dad will make sure of that. And he's likely to start on a bad team. Surrounded by pros who aren't going to take well when the dad is talking about them on ESPN or sports shows. or in the local papers. You know this is going to happen. Not a perfect anology but no different to a Sheldon Richardson, who's an All Pro talent. Distractions will get in the way, granted for completely different reasons than with Ball. Maybe Ball can rise above all of it? God bless the kid if he can. I'm not rooting against him. I just think the dad is more likely than not, gonna screw it up. There's going to be a weird scenerio at play, whether he's hurt or something and the dad won't let him play a Game 7 and that leads to a war of words through the media or a million other possibilites, but there's gonna be a build up and some kind of eventual breakdown....imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Ball, even with his crazy dad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted June 1, 2017 Author Share Posted June 1, 2017 1 hour ago, thadude said: Ball, even with his crazy dad I'll bet you $50 he or and the team who drafts him implodes and the whole thing is a mess by year 4 and no championships. That after year 4, at least 2 other PGs in this draft will be considered better NBA point guards. Not real money but like pretend money. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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