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Macc is in charge here if you have not figured that out yet

You really think it was Bowles who went out and got Morton, Bates, the 2 other off assists, Green, Dunn, and the cb coach....the only thing Bowles did was sit in on interviews and pout...they hired his future replacement in there.

You really think Bowles had any say in draft or FA...uhm no.

So what's left? Who will play....Bowles lost lots credibility in that department last season with RB,  QB,  secondary decisions.  He riding a 10 and 6 season from year before.  He wont have that same luxory again.  By default Macc is deciding who will play by bringing in the new coaches.

So what's left ? Bowles is just a rubber stamper and his days are numbered.

 

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11 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Bowles wanted and got Gailey and Kacy Rodgers. Bowles wanted Fitzpatrick resigned. Bowles wanted Skrine, wanted Cromartie, wanted Tony Jefferson (for which we got outbid) . I don't think it's a coincidence that Bowles, a DB coach by trade, just saw his team draft two safeties in rounds one and two. The coaches they hired outside of Morton were all on the street, with Bates and Greene being out of the league altogether. If Maccagnan was the guy making the calls on these hires, Bowles should resign now because it'd be a sure sign that they're all temps.

Well again Bowles did all those things riding on 10 and 6 season and based on some reputation thing out of AZ.  I have no doubt Macc and Bowles started off on equal footing but that all ended 3/4 into last season.  The 2 safeties were BPA and Macc doing and I am in minority here agreeing with him as I saw that as weakest position on team aside from QB after FA.

Coaches on teams do not work for the HC they work for the team and I think the next HC of jets will be Morton if he shows any signs of success.

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2 hours ago, Bugg said:

No, he is the guy that has set up this structure in which neither the GM nor the HC are responsible nor have the final say. That Petty barely played, and only did so with a dumbed down offense,  and Hackenberg didn't play at all in 2016 was an organizational disaster. Now he goes and says everyone's job is secure no matter how awful 2017 is because it's clear that situation was atrocious. Yet he gave the same exact assurance to Mangini in his Favre year and then fired him despite his guarantee. Entirely possible that staring down the barrel of a 4 win season Bowles digs his heels in to play McCown knowing that such a promise is worthless. And there isn't anything Mccaganan could do in 2016 nor can he do in 2017 should that happen. 

And further spare Mangini (a guy who despite being very bright was very bad  managing people) Johnson always hire the same defense first tough guy BS coach. In the offensively explosive NFL of the last 2 decades it's inexplicable. It's one thing to buck an industry's trends if you succeed wildly beyond your competition, but quite another when you fail every time. 

 

Woody's biggest mistake was none of what you mention.....it was keeping and trusting Terry Bradway mistake after mistake.

BTW - I loved Favre year - he got hurt and it didnt work out but was fun while it lasted and Mangini is a douche so who gives a fck

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2 hours ago, Bugg said:

Simply picking 2 safeties with your top picks is an insane waste of resources in a normal year, doing so when your offense is the worst unit in the NFL even worse. 

There is no LT, the center is average at best. And the rest of the  OL is mostly retreads.

The QB spot is a disaster.

CB is horrendous.

Despite numerous top picks scattered around the front 7 (and Williams being a very good/possibly great player) there is no pass rusher. 

Safeties are either CBs too slow to cover wideouts or LBs too small to play the run.You can get a servicable safety later in the draft or as a free agent. You are less likley to get a premium position later or in FA.  Same way you would not pick a guard early  unless he's versatile enough to spot at tackle or center. Points to a GM (or HC making these choices?) who don't understand the value of position groups within the draft. Further if Bowles is such a  great DB coach, he apparently cannot coach anyone up? Before we start with the Ed Reed/Troy Polamalu, well they had f___ing better be close to that to justify this. 

no it wasnt considering that is how the draft fell....in a year where there were no blue chip QB, LT, out of reach OLB he did the right thing by not reaching.

the rest of your crying i was too tired to read...

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Just now, T0mShane said:

Would have greatly preferred giving Mangini six years instead of Rex.

your a douche too :)

 

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Just now, T0mShane said:

None of this applied in the second round 

sure it did...did you know Seattle took 3 safeties when they already have strength there.

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1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Because I clean out mad vaginas.

you know...i never thought of it that way

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1 minute ago, Jets0712 said:


We'll see who's in charge when our starting qb is named. By the way kacy rogers is still here just saying


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Kacy Rogers is not a teacher nor does he need to be...not when you now have Dunn, Green, and I always forget the new CB coach name.  Mo way they were going to get rid of him anyway as they might as well fire Bowles too if they did.

as far as who will start - I think the best player should start.  I thought Petty look the best with the least and didnt start last year nor did they ever have any intentions no matter how good he played.....now many were fired so how that work out for them?

I have no idea what they will do this year but if McCown looks the best in PS then he should play but only if he is way better.

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Just now, T0mShane said:

Can we talk about who your teachers were?

well for 1 there was this hooker and i never knew her name but i was just a weee boy at the time...she taught me the value of shortcuts in life.

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10 hours ago, Beerfish said:

You are so totally wrong on this post it's amazing, almost everything we have seen indicates that Bowles is being catered to.  However lets just for a moment say you are not wrong (which you are).

If you are correct Macagnan should immediately be fired before he gets his next coffee.  Three drafts, no QB, no LT (almost no Oline at all), no Wr weapon, no RB weapon, no #1 CB.

Last two drafts a long shot bust qb, a small ilb who was going to be deion buchanon and now two safeties in a draft that supposed was loaded with safeties.  The one and only thing that could save mac is that fact that he is drafting for bowles and his defense.  If he is truly the boss and doing this on his own he is a bad joke.

I am always totally and amazingly right

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1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

(Hint: Josh McCown is the only quarterback to appear--at all--in a promo video on the NYJ official website.)

Lol consperiacy theorist....I bet you were one of those spreading the chem trails one?

As far as this goes if you had been paying attention you may have learned that neither Petty or Hack has done any interviews yet.  They stated McCown would be made available in 1st week of OTA,  Petty will be 2nd week,  and Hack 3rd week.   So they simply had no video yet of Petty or Hack to put in this video.

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4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Clearly, Mangini was bad with people management, but a lot of good players magically appeared on the roster while he was here and that coincidentally stopped when he left.

Didn't he grace us with Gholston?

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1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

And not to excuse the pick because Mangini should have known better, but that first round was an ungodly bust factory:

 

 

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Ooooh so he gets excuses because of how the draft was I c how u work.

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6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Unless you're confined to an iron lung and are typing by pecking at an inverted keyboard using the eraser of a pencil you have wedged between your teeth, there is no excuse to not type out "see" and "you."

What are u an eng teacher this is a FB forum.....nerd!

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8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Unless you're confined to an iron lung and are typing by pecking at an inverted keyboard using the eraser of a pencil you have wedged between your teeth, there is no excuse to not type out "see" and "you."

And by the by...why didn't he trade down get more picks and draft a qb 

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10 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said:

Mangini should have been our GM....drafted well.  Everybody blames him for Gholston....Take a look at that draft.  A WHOLE lotta busts.  We were in no mans land and needed a pass rusher.  If we had of passed him and he went on to be great, Jet fans would have called for his head in that situation as well.

He drafted well?

1st off he had the fortune enuff to have 2 number 1 picks his 1st year because he traded away our last pass rusher who made a difference.  They had 10 picks in that draft and came away with 4 players?

In 2007 draft they had 4 picks came away with 2 payers revised and Harris

In 2008 they ended up with 6 pics and 2 1st rounders and they ended up with 1 player? Who didn't get 2nd contract.

No they were not good.

 

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11 hours ago, flgreen said:

Could be wrong, but didn't Mangini's drafts include, D'Brick, Mangold, Brad Smith, Leon Washington, Revis, David Harris, and Lowery?

I'd take that now

Very limited number of picks because of Trader Mike.  Who by the way really owned those drafts, not Mangini

Yep it was mostly trader mike but OP wanted to credit Mangini with all so I went with.

As far as who they picked yes there was some good ones and us Jet fans think they are all HOF types but if you look at the 3 years as a whole it was not good and 2008 started the depth issues we see today.

These same posters who want to anoint Mangini to GM status are quick to dismiss Macc and his drafts that so far are contributing through the 7th round.

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6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Ya he found a CB1, OLT, C, and ILB that all played at a high level for a decade but did he find a Charone peake no he did not #hesuxks

wellll 1st off the current crop of draftees have not had a decade yet to show whether they were good picks or not dont ya think? and from what I remember DBrick struggled his 1st year and Revis was not lights out either and held team hostage for all his tenure, Harris was part time until we traded away Vilma who went on to win a superbowl.

2ndly u conveniently left out Leo and others from current crop as if Mangini chose DBrick but Leo fell to Macc

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Just now, dbatesman said:

"and others"

do i really need to list all the draft picks from Macc era?

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Just now, T0mShane said:

And what if Maccagnan's draft in 2019 produces five hall of famers why didn't I put that in my matrix 

 

red pill or blue pill?

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47 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Yes plz

well since you said please.....FO and ED!

 

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