UntouchableCrew Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 10 hours ago, August said: I'll reserve judgement until I see him in live games. Although the practice reports don't sound good, but still. Agreed that we'll know for sure when he plays. But when there's smoke there's usually fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 29 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Alt theory: the veteran beat guys desperately want to write lazy QB competition-themed articles all summer and know that DQ'ing Hackenberg in June is bad for business. Nothing about this would surprise me either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Seems to me a young QB gets better by practice, but let's do the Bowles thing and give reps to a 38 year old POS. And Connor Hughes has an agenda to get noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 2 hours ago, 19andOhWait said: anyone who still thinks this is the guy to lead us into the next 2, 3, 5 seasons needs to have their heads examined he is worthless accept it and get ready for Sam D, Josh Allen or Lamar I love guys that argue with themselves. No one has said they think hack is the answer. All people say is to give him a chance because the other options are a 38 year old journeyman and Petty who has already showed he isn't much.. In the end, we are likely going after Darnold or whomever else emerges as the top QB in next year's class. In the meantime, the only QB on the roster with any shot is hack so let's just let it play out without the hysterics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Connor Hughes aspires to be Manish..... can't wait for PS so we don't have to rely on these fools for info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 9 minutes ago, johnnysd said: Seems to me a young QB gets better by practice, but let's do the Bowles thing and give reps to a 38 year old POS. And Connor Hughes has an agenda to get noticed. Agree with what you said but if it's true he almost therew 6 picks, sailing, passes, hitting reporters (still), and bouncing it to WR's while playing in shorts it's alarming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 3 hours ago, Integrity28 said: By all I can gather, the reports of Hack hitting reporters and such are still coming specifically from Connor Hughes, with other reports simply echoing his commentary. At this point, based on the history of accuracy problems I would surmise that Hack is still basically Hack, but I'm pretty much shrugging off these stupid reports and waiting until I see the kid play with my own eyes. Reporters are clearly pining for web traffic at this point. No better way than to poke at this years favorite flavor of Jets fan misery. But were they tight spirals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 11 hours ago, glenn31 said: Not a circle jerk, padwan... More like: "If us common rubes can see it, why can't the guys with the 6 or 7 figure contracts and a workday (sorry, work-life) devoted to player evaluation see it at well?" But you can continue to be "patient." It's what the Jets have been preaching and selling to the fans since Charlie Winner. yeah being patient is soooo bad on a 22 yr old guy who if he stayed his 4 yrs at college this would be his rookie yr.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, SickJetFan said: Connor Hughes aspires to be Manish..... can't wait for PS so we don't have to rely on these fools for info. that is so evident...he's trying to get nj.com more eyes/clicks..only way to get that this day in age is criticism, negative narrative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, C Mart said: that is so evident...he's trying to get nj.com more eyes/clicks..only way to get that this day in age is criticism, negative narrative I heard the two reporters Hack hit were paid by NJ dot com to run out on the field and take it in the face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, C Mart said: that is so evident...he's trying to get nj.com more eyes/clicks..only way to get that this day in age is criticism, negative narrative Yep and his stories could be written by a 6th grader....I make it a point never to click anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlagmanL11 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Patience, this guy did not take a snap last year when there was no one else that did anything under center. And I would like a refund off the price of my season tix... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, FlagmanL11 said: Patience, this guy did not take a snap last year when there was no one else that did anything under center. And I would like a refund off the price of my season tix... Sorry Flag, It's pretty clear they wanted him to take the yr off after getting the sh*t kicked out of him (he bares some responsibility) his last 2 seasons at PSU..And fans wonder why Jets QBs bust... Ask Woody for your refund...Hope your well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 31 minutes ago, C Mart said: that is so evident...he's trying to get nj.com more eyes/clicks..only way to get that this day in age is criticism, negative narrative The cynical angle does function as a center of gravity... it's a shame that the platforms these guys write for have such a rudimentary strategy for measurement. If they had any sense, they'd do more than just count clicks and page visits. They measure sentiment, loyalty and influence as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19andOhWait Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 NFL scout 'taken aback' by former Penn State QB Hackenberg's accuracy issues The main issue with Hackenberg's development continues to be his accuracy throwing the ball. As Cimini reports, Hackenberg finished his final year at Penn State ranked 120th in the nation in adjusted completion rate (counting drops, spikes, etc.) at 64 percent, according to Pro Football Focus. http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2017/05/christian_hackenberg_horrible.html but yeah lets all have patience. when he goes 15-70 0 td's 5 int's from week 6 to 10 then we can officially move on I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Hackenberg is going to be one of the most beloved Jets ever for one of two reasons: 1 - when he finally gets to start this year, he will produce at a sub standard level and heavily contribute to the Jets tanking the season and be rewarded with a top pick in 2018. 2 - he is so bad that he doesn't even get to play in 2018 and McCown is his usual putrid self and allows the Jets to secure a top draft pick in 2018. WINNA WINNA, CHICKEN DINNA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn31 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 hour ago, C Mart said: yeah being patient is soooo bad on a 22 yr old guy who if he stayed his 4 yrs at college this would be his rookie yr.... When a sheep, whether it be ram, ewe, or lamb decides to expel fecal matter from it's butthole, you're left with a brown mound of dung. No matter how much patience you have with it, it's natural cycle that will never be altered is for it to oxidize, turn whitish-yellow, and eventually be devoured by flies & other decomposers. No matter how much patience you have with that pile, no matter how you chemically treat it, it will always be fecal matter. It will never turn into a precious mineral. Fin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 12 minutes ago, glenn31 said: When a sheep, whether it be ram, ewe, or lamb decides to expel fecal matter from it's butthole, you're left with a brown mound of dung. No matter how much patience you have with it, it's natural cycle that will never be altered is for it to oxidize, turn whitish-yellow, and eventually be devoured by flies & other decomposers. No matter how much patience you have with that pile, no matter how you chemically treat it, it will always be fecal matter. It will never turn into a precious mineral. Fin. Didn't realize I was in farmersnation.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn31 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 22 minutes ago, C Mart said: Didn't realize I was in farmersnation.com Nah, more like perfectanalogies.org my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 2 hours ago, T0mShane said: I heard the two reporters Hack hit were paid by NJ dot com to run out on the field and take it in the face I heard it was Marsha Brady....ooooooooooo my nose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 49 minutes ago, glenn31 said: When a sheep, whether it be ram, ewe, or lamb decides to expel fecal matter from it's butthole, you're left with a brown mound of dung. No matter how much patience you have with it, it's natural cycle that will never be altered is for it to oxidize, turn whitish-yellow, and eventually be devoured by flies & other decomposers. No matter how much patience you have with that pile, no matter how you chemically treat it, it will always be fecal matter. It will never turn into a precious mineral. Fin. IRL LOL'd at this. POTW purely for the level of detail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 2 hours ago, FTL Jet Fan said: Agree with what you said but if it's true he almost therew 6 picks, sailing, passes, hitting reporters (still), and bouncing it to WR's while playing in shorts it's alarming. Not really. He's learning an offense, learning timing with the receivers, learning to read defenses. He SHOULD be throwing INTs at this point and learning from each one. People expect perfection from a QB developing his skills. Becoming an elite QB takes time and experience. How many INTs did Peyton throw? How terrible was Eli until the light went off? He may never be good, but unless we COMMIT to him and give him the work he needs we will never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, johnnysd said: Not really. He's learning an offense, learning timing with the receivers, learning to read defenses. He SHOULD be throwing INTs at this point and learning from each one. People expect perfection from a QB developing his skills. Becoming an elite QB takes time and experience. How many INTs did Peyton throw? How terrible was Eli until the light went off? He may never be good, but unless we COMMIT to him and give him the work he needs we will never know. Except that everything we've seen, heard, or read about the guy since college indicates he's simply wildly inaccurate and has a hard time completing simple throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, johnnysd said: Not really. He's learning an offense, learning timing with the receivers, learning to read defenses. He SHOULD be throwing INTs at this point and learning from each one. People expect perfection from a QB developing his skills. Becoming an elite QB takes time and experience. How many INTs did Peyton throw? How terrible was Eli until the light went off? He may never be good, but unless we COMMIT to him and give him the work he needs we will never know. All valid points, the only difference is he is not playing in a live game. I am behind Hack 100%, but the fact he is doing this in shorts in concerning. I will wait to see how he plays in a live game, and I don't expect him to come out like a 5 year vet that has been in the same system. It appears the kid is a hard worker and puts his time in, given the reports about his work ethic. Let's see how he handles preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, FTL Jet Fan said: All valid points, the only difference is he is not playing in a live game. I am behind Hack 100%, but the fact he is doing this in shorts in concerning. I will wait to see how he plays in a live game, and I don't expect him to come out like a 5 year vet that has been in the same system. It appears the kid is a hard worker and puts his time in, given the reports about his work ethic. Let's see how he handles preseason. I think once he's subject to a violent pass rush, he will stop throwing inaccurately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Just now, T0mShane said: I think once he's subject to a violent pass rush, he will stop throwing inaccurately. I feel the same way. I remember reading a quote from his former teammate saying he was more concerned about the pass rush than how the play developed. I can't blame him giving the fact he took such a beating. I just hope he dosent have David Carr syndrome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I think once he's subject to a violent pass rush, he will stop throwing inaccurately. how could you not love football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, FTL Jet Fan said: I feel the same way. I remember reading a quote from his former teammate saying he was more concerned about the pass rush than how the play developed. I can't blame him giving the fact he took such a beating. I just hope he dosent have David Carr syndrome. which is why IMO they redshirted him last season.. Just curious. Has nj.com version of Mike Mayock Dipsh*t Hughes charted all of Petty and McCown's throws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn31 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 51 minutes ago, dbatesman said: IRL LOL'd at this. POTW purely for the level of detail When the Hackenberg Dreamers go low, the realists go high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 22 minutes ago, glenn31 said: When the Hackenberg Dreamers go low, the realists go high. ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 hour ago, johnnysd said: Not really. He's learning an offense, learning timing with the receivers, learning to read defenses. He SHOULD be throwing INTs at this point and learning from each one. People expect perfection from a QB developing his skills. Becoming an elite QB takes time and experience. How many INTs did Peyton throw? How terrible was Eli until the light went off? He may never be good, but unless we COMMIT to him and give him the work he needs we will never know. You don't think there's a difference - as in where 95% of QBs fall - in between perfect/elite and the show he's allegedly putting on? It's not that he isn't perfect. It's that if there are 20 levels in between #1 perfect and #20 unusable he hasn't demonstrably escaped the #20 slot thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 2 hours ago, C Mart said: which is why IMO they redshirted him last season.. Just curious. Has nj.com version of Mike Mayock Dipsh*t Hughes charted all of Petty and McCown's throws? Exactly why I will wait until I see the kid play in games and see how he progresses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said: You don't think there's a difference - as in where 95% of QBs fall - in between perfect/elite and the show he's allegedly putting on? It's not that he isn't perfect. It's that if there are 20 levels in between #1 perfect and #20 unusable he hasn't demonstrably escaped the #20 slot thus far. It's sort of irrelevant. He is what we have and he DOES have elite upside and he DOES have a lot of things that need improving. Only way we will know is to play him. You simply have to play him. Starting McCown accomplishes nothing except further muddying the QB picture and setting the QB situation back even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Remember when christian hackenberg was accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Remember when christian hackenberg was accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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