If McCown starts....

[Ex-Rex]

Todd Bowles should be fired, even if somehow McCown captures Fitzmagic and leads Jets to winning season or playoffs. This season should be about nothing else but developing the young QB's and building team unity and NOTHING else. Thoughts on this?

[dbatesman]

"If"

[Mike135]

One of the legit options imo, if Hack and Petty are just horrible, is for McCown to start.  Why pay him so much otherwise?

Bowles should get fired if McCown plays and gets wins.  If McCown loses and gets us a top draft pick like he's supposed to do, all is cool with me.

[Lupz27]

3 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

"If"

Should be changed to "When"

[Lupz27]

Just now, Mike135 said:

One of the legit options imo, if Hack and Petty are just horrible, is for McCown to start.  Why pay him so much otherwise?

Bowles should get fired if McCown plays and gets wins.  If McCown loses and gets us a top draft pick like he's supposed to do, all is cool with me.

We all know McCown will have a 2013 resurgence, and the Jets will go 6-10 losing the last 4 games, while Bowles repeats McCown is the starter because best chance to win/mathematically alive for playoff BS finally letting Hack start weeks 16, and 17 with backups, and uninterested veterans just going through the motions.

[Mike135]

Just now, Lupz27 said:

We all know McCown will have a 2013 resurgence, and the Jets will go 6-10 losing the last 4 games, while Bowles repeats McCown is the starter because best chance to win/mathematically alive for playoff BS finally letting Hack start weeks 16, and 17 with backups, and uninterested veterans just going through the motions.

Sad, but yeah probably true.

A guy can hope though.

[August]

They need to beat out McCown. If they can't then they shouldn't start. 

[JustInFudge]

9 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

"If"

I giggled upon reading as well. 

[JohnnyLV]

11 minutes ago, August said:

They need to beat out McCown. If they can't then they shouldn't start. 

This gets said all the time and it is 100% wrong and quite stupid to be honest. There is no reasonable expectation that a young QB with only 1 year under his belt, going into the season and through training camp would outplay a 14 year quality backup that has some starting experience. NONE. However, there is an expectation that he could be a significantly better player maybe by the end of the year once he gets the reps he needs and actual game time in the regular season. Without both of these, they will not become better than McCown. It is pretty simple. If you think that he can be the GUY you play him. Period. Set him up for success as best as possible, but play him. If you continue to keep playing veteran loser JAGOFFS like McCown and Fitzarrogantasshole you will NEVER EVER develop a franchise QB.

Setting a criteria of outplaying the veteran is frankly ludicrous and destructive to the long term success of the franchise.

Stop with the insanity. Of course, Bowles IS stupid enough to do this so Woody (since he insanely does not report to Mac) needs to let him know that either Petty or Hack start. If there is a feeling that neither can be the guy, well our offseason should have been completely different.

This statement simply needs to stop being said.

 

 

 

[The Crusher]

"You had me at Todd Bowles should be fired "

[Adoni Beast]

He'll start until Halloween. Or if they haven't even won a game by mid october, (which they might not have at that point) I can see Bowles making the switch.

Chances are though tha McCown will get hurt before then.

[MaxAF]

Mc Cown is a career losing QB. He's 38 yrs old and very fragile. They early part of the season has the easier schedule. A good time to build confidence with the better of the 2 youngbloods. It would be foolish IMO to start McCown, even if he is somewhat better than Petty or Hack. If these 2 guys can't step up and show the coaching staff that they can play in this league then the Jets have really messed up the last 2 years of the draft. I say live by the youngbloods and die by the youngbloods. At least by next year they will know most surely how to address the draft which means another 2 years to develop a rookie QB. I think/hope one of the 2 will be successful.

[ZachEY]

48 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

Todd Bowles should be fired, even if somehow McCown captures Fitzmagic and leads Jets to winning season or playoffs. This season should be about nothing else but developing the young QB's and building team unity and NOTHING else. Thoughts on this?

But, definitely only fire the guy who starts McCown, and not the guy who paid McCown 6M and was unable to get anyone better than him on the roster.

[bitonti]

It's not Todd Bowles' fault that Josh McCown is his best option. It's not Bowles' fault that Petty sucks and Hack blows.

It's Mac's fault for making it that way.

Bowles is a good coach I dont' care what all the dummies say.  He's a former player, direct branch of the Parcells' coaching tree,  well respected around the league. This isn't a Herman situation. The guy has coaching skills. And unlike most of the good ole boys in the league, he's actually local which means he knows what it takes to live/succeed in this media marketplace.

In other words give Todd Bowles a legit QB he's John Fox.

[ZachEY]

20 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

This gets said all the time and it is 100% wrong and quite stupid to be honest. There is no reasonable expectation that a young QB with only 1 year under his belt, going into the season and through training camp would outplay a 14 year quality backup that has some starting experience. NONE. However, there is an expectation that he could be a significantly better player maybe by the end of the year once he gets the reps he needs and actual game time in the regular season. Without both of these, they will not become better than McCown. It is pretty simple. If you think that he can be the GUY you play him. Period. Set him up for success as best as possible, but play him. If you continue to keep playing veteran loser JAGOFFS like McCown and Fitzarrogantasshole you will NEVER EVER develop a franchise QB.

Setting a criteria of outplaying the veteran is frankly ludicrous and destructive to the long term success of the franchise.

Stop with the insanity. Of course, Bowles IS stupid enough to do this so Woody (since he insanely does not report to Mac) needs to let him know that either Petty or Hack start. If there is a feeling that neither can be the guy, well our offseason should have been completely different.

This statement simply needs to stop being said.

 

 

 

It's not stupid.  Because, beating out McCown exists on a curve.  If the players are close, youth will start.  If they're not close, as the early reports indicate... Youth don't deserve to be out there.  We all want youth to progress, but do we want to sacrifice our young WRs progression to make it happen?

[JustInFudge]

44 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

This gets said all the time and it is 100% wrong and quite stupid to be honest. There is no reasonable expectation that a young QB with only 1 year under his belt, going into the season and through training camp would outplay a 14 year quality backup that has some starting experience. NONE. However, there is an expectation that he could be a significantly better player maybe by the end of the year once he gets the reps he needs and actual game time in the regular season. Without both of these, they will not become better than McCown. It is pretty simple. If you think that he can be the GUY you play him. Period. Set him up for success as best as possible, but play him. If you continue to keep playing veteran loser JAGOFFS like McCown and Fitzarrogantasshole you will NEVER EVER develop a franchise QB.

Setting a criteria of outplaying the veteran is frankly ludicrous and destructive to the long term success of the franchise.

Stop with the insanity. Of course, Bowles IS stupid enough to do this so Woody (since he insanely does not report to Mac) needs to let him know that either Petty or Hack start. If there is a feeling that neither can be the guy, well our offseason should have been completely different.

This statement simply needs to stop being said.

 

 

 

I agree 100%.  It's the same stupid mistake all over again.  Eating away at reps, eating away at live bullets, just wasting everyone's time.  It's 100000000x better to be incompetent with Hack or Petty than it is to be terrible with McCown.

[August]

36 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

This gets said all the time and it is 100% wrong and quite stupid to be honest. There is no reasonable expectation that a young QB with only 1 year under his belt, going into the season and through training camp would outplay a 14 year quality backup that has some starting experience. NONE. However, there is an expectation that he could be a significantly better player maybe by the end of the year once he gets the reps he needs and actual game time in the regular season. Without both of these, they will not become better than McCown. It is pretty simple. If you think that he can be the GUY you play him. Period. Set him up for success as best as possible, but play him. If you continue to keep playing veteran loser JAGOFFS like McCown and Fitzarrogantasshole you will NEVER EVER develop a franchise QB.

Setting a criteria of outplaying the veteran is frankly ludicrous and destructive to the long term success of the franchise.

Stop with the insanity. Of course, Bowles IS stupid enough to do this so Woody (since he insanely does not report to Mac) needs to let him know that either Petty or Hack start. If there is a feeling that neither can be the guy, well our offseason should have been completely different.

This statement simply needs to stop being said.

 

 

 

Your solution is to hand the job to them based on age? We've seen this locker room and their entitled players last year. You want players getting starting positions unearned? If Petty or Hackenberg is good they should beat out McCown it isn't like McCown is Peyton Manning or anything. 

[Integrity28]

1 hour ago, Ex-Rex said:

Todd Bowles should be fired, even if somehow McCown captures Fitzmagic and leads Jets to winning season or playoffs. This season should be about nothing else but developing the young QB's and building team unity and NOTHING else. Thoughts on this?

We SOOOOOOOOO needed a thread about this. 

[jbt]

22 minutes ago, bitonti said:

It's not Todd Bowles' fault that Josh McCown is his best option. It's not Bowles' fault that Petty sucks and Hack blows.

It's Mac's fault for making it that way.

Bowles is a good coach I dont' care what all the dummies say.  He's a former player, direct branch of the Parcells' coaching tree,  well respected around the league. This isn't a Herman situation. The guy has coaching skills. And unlike most of the good ole boys in the league, he's actually local which means he knows what it takes to live/succeed in this media marketplace.

In other words give Todd Bowles a legit QB he's John Fox.

i agree it's Mac's fault and he should go if Bowles goes.

i disagree with you saying he has coaching skills.  what has he shown in these 2 years that makes you say that?  

[JustInFudge]

14 minutes ago, bitonti said:

It's not Todd Bowles' fault that Josh McCown is his best option. It's not Bowles' fault that Petty sucks and Hack blows.

It's Mac's fault for making it that way.

Bowles is a good coach I dont' care what all the dummies say.  He's a former player, direct branch of the Parcells' coaching tree,  well respected around the league. This isn't a Herman situation. The guy has coaching skills. And unlike most of the good ole boys in the league, he's actually local which means he knows what it takes to live/succeed in this media marketplace.

In other words give Todd Bowles a legit QB he's John Fox.

Sure it is.  He's just as much to blame as Mac.  Todd Bowles announced Fitz the starter the day after he choked away the playoffs, not Mac.  He put his GM in a bad spot and forced his hand.  That announcement took away snaps from every other QB on the team stunting their growth and making them that much further away from being ready for 2017. 

Also, this GM has drafted DL, ILB and then this year he doubled down on Safeties.  If you dont think Todd Bowles is influencing everything Mac is doing, you're not paying attention.  

It's cascading failure.  One bad decision impacts 5 different scenarios.  In this scenario, you're taking away from giving the youngsters valuable reps so that Josh McCown can maybe lead you to 4 wins.  And Todd is just as culpable as Mac.  They literally just went through this exercise and are doing it all over again. 

Oh yeah, Todd Bowles is a terrible Head Coach.  

[Jets0712]

Todd Bowles should be fired, even if somehow McCown captures Fitzmagic and leads Jets to winning season or playoffs. This season should be about nothing else but developing the young QB's and building team unity and NOTHING else. Thoughts on this?

I do not want mccown to start. But the question is if he does start and if by some miracle leads jets to playoffs should Bowles get fired. NO I don't particularly like Bowles. But how and why would he get fired??? If that 1 in a million scenario happens



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[JustInFudge]

6 minutes ago, August said:

Your solution is to hand the job to them based on age? We've seen this locker room and their entitled players last year. You want players getting starting positions unearned? If Petty or Hackenberg is good they should beat out McCown it isn't like McCown is Peyton Manning or anything. 

Is that not what's happening with Josh McCown? 

[ASH1962]

40 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

"You had me at Todd Bowles should be fired "

me too

obviously

[bitonti]

3 minutes ago, JiF said:

  In this scenario, you're taking away from giving the youngsters valuable reps so that Josh McCown can maybe lead you to 4 wins 

 

The reps are only valuable if the youth getting them have value. There's no value in giving Hack reps he doesn't deserve when the guy sucks terribly.

Here's a wild idea if the youth can't legitimately beat out the worst QB in the league (McCown) they don't deserve the reps.

[JustInFudge]

52 minutes ago, bitonti said:

The reps are only valuable if the youth getting them have value. There's no value in giving Hack reps he doesn't deserve when the guy sucks terribly.

Here's a wild idea if the youth can't legitimately beat out the worst QB in the league (McCown) they don't deserve the reps.

I disagree wholeheartedly, handing the Football to Josh McCown in any scenario gives the Jets zero value.  11 years of history says he's terrible and defends my position.  You're not learning anything about this team or doing anything for the future of this team by dicking around with Josh McCown.  **** sake, we just went through this same bull sh*t with Fitz who is a much better QB.  

Whereas, they just invested a 2nd round pick in Hack.  They should be pouring every ounce of effort into making him be the best he can be.  Not wasting time with Josh McCown who shouldnt have been signed in the first place.  That's what he deserves.  Not being cast off into a corner for Josh ******* McCown.  Let Hack and Petty play.  Let them fail or let them succeed.  There is hope for success.  Albeit a little but there is hope.  There is zero hope for success with Josh McCown.  It's wasting everyone's time and taking away from the progression of your 2nd round investment.  

You know why I know I'm right?  The Jets are doing it.  And the Jets dont do anything right.  In fact, they repeat the same mistakes over and over again.  Fitz to McCown.  It's the definition of insanity.  It's literally the same exact strategy they deployed for the last 2 years and it blew up in their face in epic fashion...and here we are.

 

[bitonti]

4 minutes ago, JiF said:

I disagree wholeheartedly, handing the Football to Josh McCown in any scenario gives the Jets zero value.  11 years of history says he's terrible and defends my position.  You're not learning anything about this team or doing anything for the future of this team by dicking around with Josh McCown.  **** sake, we just went through this same bull sh*t with Fitz who is a much better QB.  

Whereas, they just invested a 2nd round pick in Hack.  They should be pouring every once of effort into making him be the best he can be.  Not wasting time with Josh McCown who shouldnt have been signed in the first place.  That's what he deserves.  Not being cast off into a corner for Josh ******* McCown.  Let Hack and Petty play.  Let them fail or let them succeed.  There is hope for success.  Albeit a little but there is hope.  There is zero hope for success with Josh McCown.  It's wasting everyone's time and taking away from the progression of your 2nd round investment.  

You know why I know I'm right?  The Jets are doing it.  And the Jets dont do anything right.  In fact, they repeat the same mistakes over and over again.  Fitz to McCown.  It's the definition of insanity.  It's literally the same exact strategy they deployed for the last 2 years and it blew up in their face in epic fashion...and here we are.

 

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A football team is not a charity. Reps should not be given away they should be earned.

If Hackenberg can't earn Reps over Josh "Lost the last 20 of 22 games started" then he doesn't deserve the reps. 

The key word is earn. Not deserves. Hackenberg was the only QB4 in the NFL last year he got a scholarship year and deserves nothing. He didn't even deserve the redshirt year. 

If the Jets were honest about his abilities he would have been cut after the last draft and replaced with a player with actual value.  

That's what Hack deserves.

 

[thadude]

1 hour ago, Ex-Rex said:

Todd Bowles should be fired, even if somehow McCown captures Fitzmagic and leads Jets to winning season or playoffs. This season should be about nothing else but developing the young QB's and building team unity and NOTHING else. Thoughts on this?

 All the idiotic things Bowles has done and starting McCown over two bigger scrubs is the fireable offense?

[thadude]

21 minutes ago, bitonti said:

The reps are only valuable if the youth getting them have value. There's no value in giving Hack reps he doesn't deserve when the guy sucks terribly.

Here's a wild idea if the youth can't legitimately beat out the worst QB in the league (McCown) they don't deserve the reps.

Agree 100%

 

If Hack or Petty were even average they'd have 0 trouble beating out a career bum like McClown

[JustInFudge]

1 minute ago, bitonti said:

A football team is not a charity. Reps should not be given away they should be earned.

If Hackenberg can't earn Reps over Josh "Lost the last 20 of 22 games started" then he doesn't deserve the reps. 

The key word is earn. Not deserves. Hackenberg was the only QB4 in the NFL last year he got a scholarship year and deserves nothing. He didn't even deserve the redshirt year. 

If the Jets were honest about his abilities he would have been cut after the last draft and replaced with a player with actual value.  

That's what Hack deserves.

 

Oh really?  Then what was Revis doing for all of last season?  Cro the year before?  Fitz last year? Pryor?  Plenty of players play who dont deserve it and the Head Coach of the New York Jets is probably the biggest enabler in the league at it. 

Hack shouldnt be battling with a journeyman vet to begin with, that's the problem.  That's the cascading failure I'm referring to.  If Hack was a mistake in round #2, you're compounding it by thinking Josh McCown is the bridge.  There is no bridge in the NFL.  That's a myth.  You literally just went through this for 2 seasons.  This should be Hack vs Petty outcome be damned because the outcome with Josh McCown is incredibly predictable and it's bad.  Like really bad.  

Mac and Bowles made the bed, now sleep in it.  That's what Hack deserves and has earned.  That's what Petty deserves and has earned.  That's what the team deserves and has earned.  That's what the fans deserve and have earned.  

This is like groundhogs day, we just had 2 offseason of arguing this same point and I'm pretty sure that in hindsight, the Fitz contrarians were more than right. 

The rest of your post isnt worth responding to because it's not reality.  Nobody was cutting Hack after the last draft. 

[Lupz27]

If McCown is the starter it's very clear Macc, and Bowles are heading down the Idzik, Ryan path.  Macc obviously sees in his mind something in both Petty, and Hack, or he would have acquired a young QB somehow (draft, trade, FA), but instead he gave Bowles both of those youngsters, and a clipboard toting veteran, and if the clip board toting Vet is starting then their is a huge difference in opinions between the 2.

[thadude]

2 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

If McCown is the starter it's very clear Macc, and Bowles are heading down the Idzik, Ryan path.  Macc obviously sees in his mind something in both Petty, and Hack, or he would have acquired a young QB somehow (draft, trade, FA), but instead he gave Bowles both of those youngsters, and a clipboard toting veteran, and if the clip board toting Vet is starting then their is a huge difference in opinions between the 2.

6 more months until they are both fired

[JustInFudge]

2 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

If McCown is the starter it's very clear Macc, and Bowles are heading down the Idzik, Ryan path.  Macc obviously sees in his mind something in both Petty, and Hack, or he would have acquired a young QB somehow (draft, trade, FA), but instead he gave Bowles both of those youngsters, and a clipboard toting veteran, and if the clip board toting Vet is starting then their is a huge difference in opinions between the 2.

The play, if Hack and Petty truly arent ready, was to draft another QB.  Not repeat the same damn mistake that just got done blowing up in their face and they finally rid themselves of.  But instead, we're back in the saddle again and we're arguing the same sh*t we did the last 2 offseasons.  

[Integrity28]

16 minutes ago, thadude said:

Agree 100%

 

If Hack or Petty were even average they'd have 0 trouble beating out a career bum like McClown

I like that, to you, this seems like an epiphany that others don't already accept as table stakes. 

 

[The Crusher]

43 minutes ago, ASH1962 said:

me too

obviously

" Show me the Lombardi"

[BigRy56]

This team is winning 10 games with or without McCown