flgreen Posted June 7, 2017 Author Share Posted June 7, 2017 Marc Sessler @MarcSesslerNFL 27m The Jets are kind of amazing right now. Totally unhinged. Pointing the nose of the plane toward planet earth at 500 mph. Blogger / Podcaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted June 7, 2017 Author Share Posted June 7, 2017 Now it's clear: Jets are tanking the season, looking ahead to 2018 play Adam Schefter questions the Jets' motivation of releasing David Harris and planning to trade or release Eric Decker. (1:32) 7:25 PM ET Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer Facebook Twitter Facebook Messenger Pinterest Email print comment FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- Sometimes you wonder if the New York Jets will ever figure it out. What they did Tuesday, abruptly releasing the well-respected David Harris and pushing Eric Decker out the door, stinks on so many levels. To me, this reeks of owner Woody Johnson trying to save money. By dumping Harris and Decker, who will be released or traded by the end of the week, Johnson will save $13.75 million in cash payroll. He probably figures they're going to be miserable anyway, so why not save some money in the process? I hate to invoke the 'T' word -- tanking -- but this sure looks like a tank job. Harris and Decker are solid players that could've helped the Jets in 2017, but the team seems more concerned about 2018 than anything else. Johnson has put coach Todd Bowles in an almost impossible situation. It's one thing to dump an aging player with a prohibitive contract (Darrelle Revis) or a young player with a bad attitude (Calvin Pryor), but to fire two proven veterans on June 6? There's a fine line between rebuilding and tearing down for the sake of tearing down. This is the latter. They're also undercutting the coach's chances of succeeding. This is an ominous sign for Bowles, who has to feel helpless. Let's examine what unfolded on Black Tuesday, starting with Harris. It made no sense from a football perspective, and it was a lousy way to treat a loyal, classy player who rarely missed a day of work in 10 years and never -- repeat, never -- got into any trouble off the field. Harris was one of Bowles' favorite players, and no one can convince me Bowles was in favor of this move. He tried his best to mask his true feelings, calling it "an organizational decision," but that was just Bowles being a company man. He was stung by the move, and it was written all over his face. First of all, they don't even have an obvious replacement on the roster. Darron Lee and Demario Davis, re-acquired last week in a trade, aren't "Mike" linebackers. Bowles mentioned Davis, Bruce Carter and Julian Stanford as candidates to replace Harris. Give him credit for keeping a straight face when mentioning Stanford, a marginal player who may not even make the roster. Harris' salary -- a non-guaranteed $6.5 million -- wasn't prohibitive. They easily could've kept him on the roster because, let's face it, it's not like they've been paying top dollar for talent this offseason. Why not just carry the $6.5 million? "That's a good question," Bowles said before explaining that everyone in the organization was "on the same page" after multiple internal discussions. Sorry, I'm not buying that. The Jets made it about money by approaching Harris a few days ago about a pay cut. They should've done it in March; that would've given him more options. Because Harris was in the final year of his contract, there was no cap benefit to waiting. So why wait until early June? "That's a good question," Bowles said. Bowles doesn't have final say over personnel, so this tells me there could be a disconnect between him and management. Earlier in the day, I asked Bowles about the possibility of cutting Decker, too. He was non-committal. Asked about all the high-profile players that have been cut on his watch, he insisted, "It's not like they're going behind my back when they're making decisions." He said he's cool with everything. Again, I'm skeptical. Do you think he's cool with Josh McCown throwing to Quincy Enunwa and Robby Anderson? Or Christian Hackenberg throwing to them? Oh, man. If the coach stands on the table for a player, as I believe Bowles did with Harris, why not defer to the coach? The NFL is a cold-blooded business, and there isn't much loyalty among players and owners, but there's a right way of doing things and a wrong way. The Jets opted for the latter with Harris, firing a future Ring-of-Honor member after the eighth OTA practice. Harris deserved better. Has Harris declined? Sure, he's not a three-down player anymore, but he's still a solid run defender and was "the glue" to the defense, as Bowles liked to call him. It would've been a different story if they had signed a quality replacement -- they flirted with free agent Don'ta Hightower in March -- but no savior is walking through the door in the middle of June. On paper, Harris didn't fit the youth movement, but you can't have a team filled with young players. You need some wise heads to lead the transition, and Harris would've been ideal because he has no ego. Unlike Marshall, who wanted no part of rebuilding, Harris preferred to stay. So much for loyalty. Get ready for a long and painful year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: The Fitzpatrick Insurrection ruined many lives. Ryan Fitzpatrick literally set this team back 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Why are we paying Forte, and McCown still? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted June 7, 2017 Author Share Posted June 7, 2017 What would be point now in Jets starting Josh McCown over Christian Hackenberg? Comment Posted on June 6, 2017 at 8:06 PM Christian Hackenberg is entering Year 2 with the Jets. (AP Photo | Seth Wenig) BY DARRYL SLATER dslater@njadvancemedia.com NJ Advance Media for NJ.com FLORHAM PARK -- Tuesday brought more roster destruction at One Jets Drive, as this organization fully embraces a get-young rebuilding process. The two latest veteran casualties of that process: middle linebacker David Harris and wide receiver Eric Decker, who follow cornerback Darrelle Revis, center Nick Mangold, and receiver Brandon Marshall out the door. It is clearer now than ever that the Jets will struggle mightily in 2017, as they turn their focus to building a draft-based foundation for the future. Of course, a big part of that future involves finding a franchise quarterback. And the Jets need to determine what they have in Christian Hackenberg, a second-round pick last year, before they can answer an enormous question: Will they draft a quarterback high in 2018? So here's another question: What's the point now of starting quarterback Josh McCown? If the Jets are trying to sell a rebuild to their frustrated fan base, shouldn't they actually provide a game-situation audition for a quarterback who could be a key ingredient in that rebuild? McCown turns 38 next month and won't be with the Jets past 2017, since he is playing on a one-year contract. Yes, he has looked more advanced than Hackenberg or third-year pro Bryce Petty during organized team activities. But this season is about more than just scratching out a few extra wins with a depleted roster. It is about answering important, long-term questions. Jets general manager Mike Maccagnan spoke often Tuesday -- as he attempted to justify the Harris and Decker decisions -- about creating an opportunity for younger guys to play. The Jets are giving Hackenberg an opportunity to compete with McCown and Petty for the starting job -- an equal chance for all three, as offensive coordinator John Morton put it. But if Hackenberg is close enough to a serviceable option, why not play him? It's not like the Jets are winning 10 games with McCown, who is inconsistent at best, and is now surrounded by perhaps the NFL's worst roster. If the Jets are going to struggle anyway, they might as well do it in a productive manner, and get some answers about Hackenberg. The Jets, in game situations, desperately need to evaluate Hackenberg. That's what matters most this season, in the grand scheme of things. Maccagnan, to no surprise, dodged the "why not just start Hackenberg?" question on Tuesday. "Having Josh being a veteran presence in there, I think he's good for those two young players," Maccagnan said. "That'll play itself out over time. But there's a lot of football still to be played until we get to that determination of who is going to actually start." Maccagnan also spoke about Jets coach Todd Bowles being the one who decides which guys start. While Maccagnan controls the 53-man roster, Bowles controls the depth chart. And if Bowles hasn't received assurances from owner Woody Johnson about his job security past 2017, what motivation does he have to play Hackenberg just to get an evaluation? That's the rub here, because anyone can plainly see it would be a stunner if McCown doesn't win the Week 1 starting job -- provided this quarterback competition is a pure meritocracy. 5 things Hackenberg needs to show Jets quarterback Christian Hackenberg is entering his second season, and will compete with Josh McCown and Bryce Petty for the starting job. Here is what he must show the Jets this spring and summer. The bar is low -- now lower than ever -- for the 2017 Jets, coming off a 5-11 season. Bowles can surely save his job by winning six or seven games and avoiding the locker room discord that plagued last season. He wants to start the quarterback who gives him the best chance of winning. For him, that makes perfect sense, as it should. Right now, based on spring practices, that ideal-for-winning quarterback isn't Hackenberg, even if starting him makes perfect sense for the Jets. Darryl Slater may be reached at dslater@njadvancemedia.com. Follow him on Twitter @DarrylSlater. Find NJ.com Jets on Facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 8 minutes ago, flgreen said: To me, this reeks of owner Woody Johnson trying to save money. Weak. Woody is a lot of things, but cheap? Come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) 6/6/17, 8:15 PM As Jets look to see if they can trade WR Eric Decker, he has been medically cleared from off-season shoulder and hip surgery, and is healthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 17 minutes ago, Lupz27 said: Ryan Fitzpatrick literally set this team back 5 years. Does this include 2015? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Hahahahahahahhahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha We're not going to score ANY points this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jet9 said: Weak. Woody is a lot of things, but cheap? Come on. Yeah, there's a long list of reasons to not like any of what is going on, but the attempt to play it off as simply being "cheap" is a mind-numbingly stupid one. The money is not coming from Woody's personal finances, plus anyone who has even the slightest grasp on the rolling cap understands that this money will still be spent, even if not this year. I'm not even defending any of this mess, but anyone trying to use this reason has no clue what they're even talking about. If anyone is that desperate to blame this solely on Woody, you would think his complete lack of understanding of football would be reason enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 15 minutes ago, Lupz27 said: Ryan Fitzpatrick literally set this team back 5 years. I said that last year. That signing was atrocious. No way a decent GM would have allowed that chump to dictate anything but his ticket to another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Just now, Rangers9 said: Does this include 2015? OH YEAH! Horrendous year IMO, you guys can all go pat him on the back for beating up on HS level talent padding stats, and choking when it counted to only give the Jets the 20th pick, and have a team full of malcontents who wanted their conquering hero back for a sh*t load of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Jetdawgg said: I said that last year. That signing was atrocious. No way a decent GM would have allowed that chump to dictate anything but his ticket to another team. I've been saying it since Geno Smith was healthy in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Also, maybe these are my biases, but this feels like a mandate on Hackenberg. If you think he can play this year, you keep a quality WR in Decker around to help him grow. Would you really throw Hackenberg out there, if you believed in him, with Enunwa as his only proven pass-catcher? I think this season will be McCown all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 I'm still holding out for a miracle....but even as a huge supporter of Hackenberg, this purge and prep for 2018 doesn't sound like the team is very hopeful.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said: Yeah, there's a long list of reasons to not like any of what is going on, but the attempt to play it off as simply being "cheap" is a mind-numbingly stupid one. The money is not coming from Woody's personal finances, plus anyone who has even the slightest grasp on the rolling cap understands that this money will still be spent, even if not this year. I'm not even defending any of this mess, but anyone trying to use this reason has no clue what they're even talking about. If anyone is that desperate to blame this solely on Woody, you would think his complete lack of understanding of football would be reason enough. Thank you. The rolling cap plus the cap floor is lost on too many people. The people who think Macc could or should have started a rebuild when he first got here simply don't understand how that was impossible at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, gEYno said: Also, maybe these are my biases, but this feels like a mandate on Hackenberg. If you think he can play this year, you keep a quality WR in Decker around to help him grow. Would you really throw Hackenberg out there, if you believed in him, with Enunwa as his only proven pass-catcher? I think this season will be McCown all the way. Geno Smith had worse talent at WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, gEYno said: Also, maybe these are my biases, but this feels like a mandate on Hackenberg. If you think he can play this year, you keep a quality WR in Decker around to help him grow. Would you really throw Hackenberg out there, if you believed in him, with Enunwa as his only proven pass-catcher? I think this season will be McCown all the way. It's not your biases...for once we're on the same page regarding the kid.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, gEYno said: Also, maybe these are my biases, but this feels like a mandate on Hackenberg. If you think he can play this year, you keep a quality WR in Decker around to help him grow. Would you really throw Hackenberg out there, if you believed in him, with Enunwa as his only proven pass-catcher? I think this season will be McCown all the way. Yeah, Hackenberg was pretty much the one reason that it seemed as though they would want to keep Decker around. The team sending him packing now definitely does not say such great things about their thoughts on Hack this year, barring the extremely unlikely circumstance of them already being sold on Anderson or convinced one of the rookies can start day one. I'm sure he'll still get his shot at some point this season, because there's no real reason not to, but they don't seem to be expecting much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwave81 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 1 hour ago, thadude said: flexibility to sign who exactly? It's June Cap dollars not spent this year can carry over...we'll have over $80 mill next year by my estimation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 9 minutes ago, gEYno said: Also, maybe these are my biases, but this feels like a mandate on Hackenberg. If you think he can play this year, you keep a quality WR in Decker around to help him grow. Would you really throw Hackenberg out there, if you believed in him, with Enunwa as his only proven pass-catcher? I think this season will be McCown all the way. I think they're more interested in seeing the young WR's play more than Hackenberg at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted June 7, 2017 Author Share Posted June 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, Mogglez said: I'm still holding out for a miracle....but even as a huge supporter of Hackenberg, this purge and prep for 2018 doesn't sound like the team is very hopeful.... That's the odd part about this. if Macc was pushing for Hack to get a shot why would he completely tear the roster down giving Hack almost no chance to succeed. it's almost got the feel to it that they have lost faith in Hack. McCown getting twice the reps he's getting this time of year doesn't seem to bode well either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, gEYno said: Also, maybe these are my biases, but this feels like a mandate on Hackenberg. If you think he can play this year, you keep a quality WR in Decker around to help him grow. Would you really throw Hackenberg out there, if you believed in him, with Enunwa as his only proven pass-catcher? I think this season will be McCown all the way. The timing is certainly suspicious, too. A few days of mostly horrific performances from Hackenberg in practice and they decide to go scorched earth in June with the clear intent of tanking for a QB. If they were hedging their bets before, they just tossed their cards into the middle of that table now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 12 minutes ago, gEYno said: Also, maybe these are my biases, but this feels like a mandate on Hackenberg. If you think he can play this year, you keep a quality WR in Decker around to help him grow. Would you really throw Hackenberg out there, if you believed in him, with Enunwa as his only proven pass-catcher? I think this season will be McCown all the way. Hackenberg's career won't last 5 games. He is set up to fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, flgreen said: That's the odd part about this. if Macc was pushing for Hack to get a shot why would he completely tear the roster down giving Hack almost no chance to succeed. it's almost got the feel to it that they have lost faith in Hack. McCown getting twice the reps he's getting this time of year doesn't seem to bode well either Could Decker really be counted on to stay healthy? Track record wasn't promising. IMO this move doesn't play into Hack. Hack will play this season. Maybe not week 1 but he'll get plenty of playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangrene Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The timing is certainly suspicious, too. A few days of mostly horrific performances from Hackenberg in practice and they decide to go scorched earth in June with the clear intent of tanking for a QB. If they were hedging their bets before, they just tossed their cards into the middle of that table now. I have to say I thought exactly the same thing, looking at the practices in the last few weeks they realized no more quantative easing for the 2017, it's time for the hair shirt and cold showers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted June 7, 2017 Author Share Posted June 7, 2017 1 minute ago, C Mart said: Could Decker really be counted on to stay healthy? Track record wasn't promising. IMO this move doesn't play into Hack. Hack will play this season. Maybe not week 1 but he'll get plenty of playing time. No body can be counted on to stay healthy. Not sure what their intention is with Hack, but man their setting him up for failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangrene Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Decker probably wouldn't stay healthy but given his reputation as a great route runner, the young wide receivers might have learned something from him. Likewise Harris is such a solid human being and team player, the team could have used his example on and off the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 9 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The timing is certainly suspicious, too. A few days of mostly horrific performances from Hackenberg in practice and they decide to go scorched earth in June with the clear intent of tanking for a QB. If they were hedging their bets before, they just tossed their cards into the middle of that table now. Of course with how things go with the Jets, Hackenberg will end up playing at some point and having a surprising, yet hardly inspiring, season. The lack of greater success will ultimately be blamed on decisions like this, so the Jets invest elsewhere while giving Hack another chance in 2018 and well... we all know how that would go. I mean, I know in real life it seems like him just outright sucking is the more likely scenario, but that sounds just too damn easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 11 minutes ago, flgreen said: That's the odd part about this. if Macc was pushing for Hack to get a shot why would he completely tear the roster down giving Hack almost no chance to succeed. it's almost got the feel to it that they have lost faith in Hack. McCown getting twice the reps he's getting this time of year doesn't seem to bode well either Since when did they ever have faith in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Just now, flgreen said: No body can be counted on to stay healthy. Not sure what their intention is with Hack, but man their setting him up for failure. C'mon. You know what I mean. His history goes completely against being healthy / available Young WRs will be hungry. They have the talent. Stewart can be used like a Brad Smith. ASJ has made some changes and playing for a contract. They could have 3 rotational RBs that fit the WCO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 2 hours ago, T0mShane said: Holy sh*t, is that right? Ohh yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted June 7, 2017 Author Share Posted June 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, C Mart said: C'mon. You know what I mean. His history goes completely against being healthy / available Young WRs will be hungry. They have the talent. Stewart can be used like a Brad Smith. ASJ has made some changes and playing for a contract. They could have 3 rotational RBs that fit the WCO. Yeah C'com before last year he only missed 4 games his whole career. He got hurt last year. It happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 1 minute ago, flgreen said: Yeah C'com before last year he only missed 4 games his whole career. He got hurt last year. It happens His 1st season with the Jets he was injured/hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 When the Jets start out 0-3, the meltdowns will be quite amusing This is an irsay style tank job. The players will be asked to win, the coaches will coach to win, but with the equivalent of Kerry Collins coming back from a 2 year retirement leading the way it's not a year to watch the scoreboard Just pick a couple young guys you like and watch them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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