Gas2No99 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Now it's clear: Jets are tanking the season, looking ahead to 2018 Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- Sometimes you wonder if the New York Jets will ever figure it out. What they did Tuesday, abruptly releasing the well-respected David Harris and pushing Eric Decker out the door, stinks on so many levels. To me, this reeks of owner Woody Johnson trying to save money. By dumping Harris and Decker, who will be released or traded by the end of the week, Johnson will save $13.75 million in cash payroll. He probably figures they're going to be miserable anyway, so why not save some money in the process? I hate to invoke the 'T' word -- tanking -- but this sure looks like a tank job. Harris and Decker are solid players that could've helped the Jets in 2017, but the team seems more concerned about 2018 than anything else. Johnson has put coach Todd Bowles in an almost impossible situation. It's one thing to dump an aging player with a prohibitive contract (Darrelle Revis) or a young player with a bad attitude (Calvin Pryor), but to fire two proven veterans on June 6? There's a fine line between rebuilding and tearing down for the sake of tearing down. This is the latter. They're also undercutting the coach's chances of succeeding. This is an ominous sign for Bowles, who has to feel helpless. Let's examine what unfolded on Black Tuesday, starting with Harris. It made no sense from a football perspective, and it was a lousy way to treat a loyal, classy player who rarely missed a day of work in 10 years and never -- repeat, never -- got into any trouble off the field. Harris was one of Bowles' favorite players, and no one can convince me Bowles was in favor of this move. He tried his best to mask his true feelings, calling it "an organizational decision," but that was just Bowles being a company man. He was stung by the move, and it was written all over his face. First of all, they don't even have an obvious replacement on the roster. Darron Lee and Demario Davis, re-acquired last week in a trade, aren't "Mike" linebackers. Bowles mentioned Davis, Bruce Carter and Julian Stanford as candidates to replace Harris. Give him credit for keeping a straight face when mentioning Stanford, a marginal player who may not even make the roster. Harris' salary -- a non-guaranteed $6.5 million -- wasn't prohibitive. They easily could've kept him on the roster because, let's face it, it's not like they've been paying top dollar for talent this offseason. Why not just carry the $6.5 million? "That's a good question," Bowles said before explaining that everyone in the organization was "on the same page" after multiple internal discussions. Sorry, I'm not buying that. The Jets made it about money by approaching Harris a few days ago about a pay cut. They should've done it in March; that would've given him more options. Because Harris was in the final year of his contract, there was no cap benefit to waiting. So why wait until early June? "That's a good question," Bowles said. Bowles doesn't have final say over personnel, so this tells me there could be a disconnect between him and management. Earlier in the day, I asked Bowles about the possibility of cutting Decker, too. He was non-committal. Asked about all the high-profile players that have been cut on his watch, he insisted, "It's not like they're going behind my back when they're making decisions." He said he's cool with everything. Again, I'm skeptical. Do you think he's cool with Josh McCown throwing to Quincy Enunwa and Robby Anderson? Or Christian Hackenberg throwing to them? Oh, man. If the coach stands on the table for a player, as I believe Bowles did with Harris, why not defer to the coach? The NFL is a cold-blooded business, and there isn't much loyalty among players and owners, but there's a right way of doing things and a wrong way. The Jets opted for the latter with Harris, firing a future Ring-of-Honor member after the eighth OTA practice. Harris deserved better. Has Harris declined? Sure, he's not a three-down player anymore, but he's still a solid run defender and was "the glue" to the defense, as Bowles liked to call him. It would've been a different story if they had signed a quality replacement -- they flirted with free agent Don'ta Hightower in March -- but no savior is walking through the door in the middle of June. On paper, Harris didn't fit the youth movement, but you can't have a team filled with young players. You need some wise heads to lead the transition, and Harris would've been ideal because he has no ego. Unlike Marshall, who wanted no part of rebuilding, Harris preferred to stay. So much for loyalty. Get ready for a long and painful year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Yeah that's why they signed a veteran to start at QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyjet Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Crap, I thought we were Super Bowl bound til they cut Decker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Part and parcel of tank seasons is a serious scramble to cover one's ass while simultaneously burying the guy next to you. I want to see how the nonsense QB "competition" takes shape, if Bowles keeps pushing McCown out there and if Maccagnan does something about it. It's worth remembering that John Morton left a cush job with the Saints to oversee this toilet, and I can't imagine he's just gonna lay back and watch his career implode in six months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 This is a 2-14 football team with or without harris/decker. Who cares. Every move made needs to be with the year 2020 in mind. Niether of these players are helping us in 2020. Good riddence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tfine Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Media/fans: Jets need to rebuild.Jets cut aging veterans to rebuildMedia/fans: They are doing it wrong. Well suck next year. Can't make this stuff up.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 I love people still defending Macagnan. Idzik had his defenders too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tfine Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Can't believe they are trading our super bowl winning QB's favorite target Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 9 minutes ago, tfine said: Media/fans: Jets need to rebuild. Jets cut aging veterans to rebuild Media/fans: They are doing it wrong. Well suck next year. Can't make this stuff up. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 What are the odds Decker would make it through 1/2 the season healthy? Anyone? Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) 6/6/17, 8:15 PM As Jets look to see if they can trade WR Eric Decker, he has been medically cleared from off-season shoulder and hip surgery, and is healthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 1 minute ago, C Mart said: What are the odds Decker would make it through 1/2 the season healthy? Anyone? Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) 6/6/17, 8:15 PM As Jets look to see if they can trade WR Eric Decker, he has been medically cleared from off-season shoulder and hip surgery, and is healthy They waited for this to cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThisYearsModel Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Problem is, these are the Jets. They'll win a few games and screw up the Tank job too. At least everyone knows they are tanking and it is on purpose, unlike the last 48 years.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Just now, varjet said: They waited for this to cut him. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Could not justify getting 120 targets to Decker. Better to develop the young players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, ThisYearsModel said: Problem is, these are the Jets. They'll win a few games and screw up the Tank job too. At least everyone knows they are tanking and it is on purpose, unlike the last 48 years. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Maccs made this roster win-proof. I was nervous about winning too many games but not anymore. Only way this team wins more than a couple of games is if Hack quickly evolves into a stud. Even as the most ardent hack supporter, I don't think that's possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost420 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 57 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said: Now it's clear: Jets are tanking the season, looking ahead to 2018 Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- Sometimes you wonder if the New York Jets will ever figure it out. What they did Tuesday, abruptly releasing the well-respected David Harris and pushing Eric Decker out the door, stinks on so many levels. To me, this reeks of owner Woody Johnson trying to save money. By dumping Harris and Decker, who will be released or traded by the end of the week, Johnson will save $13.75 million in cash payroll. He probably figures they're going to be miserable anyway, so why not save some money in the process? I hate to invoke the 'T' word -- tanking -- but this sure looks like a tank job. Harris and Decker are solid players that could've helped the Jets in 2017, but the team seems more concerned about 2018 than anything else. Johnson has put coach Todd Bowles in an almost impossible situation. It's one thing to dump an aging player with a prohibitive contract (Darrelle Revis) or a young player with a bad attitude (Calvin Pryor), but to fire two proven veterans on June 6? There's a fine line between rebuilding and tearing down for the sake of tearing down. This is the latter. They're also undercutting the coach's chances of succeeding. This is an ominous sign for Bowles, who has to feel helpless. Let's examine what unfolded on Black Tuesday, starting with Harris. It made no sense from a football perspective, and it was a lousy way to treat a loyal, classy player who rarely missed a day of work in 10 years and never -- repeat, never -- got into any trouble off the field. Harris was one of Bowles' favorite players, and no one can convince me Bowles was in favor of this move. He tried his best to mask his true feelings, calling it "an organizational decision," but that was just Bowles being a company man. He was stung by the move, and it was written all over his face. First of all, they don't even have an obvious replacement on the roster. Darron Lee and Demario Davis, re-acquired last week in a trade, aren't "Mike" linebackers. Bowles mentioned Davis, Bruce Carter and Julian Stanford as candidates to replace Harris. Give him credit for keeping a straight face when mentioning Stanford, a marginal player who may not even make the roster. Harris' salary -- a non-guaranteed $6.5 million -- wasn't prohibitive. They easily could've kept him on the roster because, let's face it, it's not like they've been paying top dollar for talent this offseason. Why not just carry the $6.5 million? "That's a good question," Bowles said before explaining that everyone in the organization was "on the same page" after multiple internal discussions. Sorry, I'm not buying that. The Jets made it about money by approaching Harris a few days ago about a pay cut. They should've done it in March; that would've given him more options. Because Harris was in the final year of his contract, there was no cap benefit to waiting. So why wait until early June? "That's a good question," Bowles said. Bowles doesn't have final say over personnel, so this tells me there could be a disconnect between him and management. Earlier in the day, I asked Bowles about the possibility of cutting Decker, too. He was non-committal. Asked about all the high-profile players that have been cut on his watch, he insisted, "It's not like they're going behind my back when they're making decisions." He said he's cool with everything. Again, I'm skeptical. Do you think he's cool with Josh McCown throwing to Quincy Enunwa and Robby Anderson? Or Christian Hackenberg throwing to them? Oh, man. If the coach stands on the table for a player, as I believe Bowles did with Harris, why not defer to the coach? The NFL is a cold-blooded business, and there isn't much loyalty among players and owners, but there's a right way of doing things and a wrong way. The Jets opted for the latter with Harris, firing a future Ring-of-Honor member after the eighth OTA practice. Harris deserved better. Has Harris declined? Sure, he's not a three-down player anymore, but he's still a solid run defender and was "the glue" to the defense, as Bowles liked to call him. It would've been a different story if they had signed a quality replacement -- they flirted with free agent Don'ta Hightower in March -- but no savior is walking through the door in the middle of June. On paper, Harris didn't fit the youth movement, but you can't have a team filled with young players. You need some wise heads to lead the transition, and Harris would've been ideal because he has no ego. Unlike Marshall, who wanted no part of rebuilding, Harris preferred to stay. So much for loyalty. Get ready for a long and painful year. Painful? How so? they are in prime position to get a top qb next draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Maccs made this roster win-proof. I was nervous about winning too many games but not anymore. Only way this team wins more than a couple of games is if Hack quickly evolves into a stud. Even as the most ardent hack supporter, I don't think that's possible. Three years into a regime, dude declares the roster is "win-proof," chides others for questioning regime. Cant make this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Three years into a regime, dude declares the roster is "win-proof," chides others for questioning regime. Cant make this up. Tanking is good now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Just now, dbatesman said: Tanking is good now Tanking, but with safeties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Three years into a regime, dude declares the roster is "win-proof," chides others for questioning regime. Cant make this up. He went for it in year 1. Got 10 wins. Couldn't tank following a ten win year. It all fell apart and now he's doing the right thing. Since you're so smart, tell me what you would have done differently this off season? Only thing I can complain about is going back to back safeties. Other than that I have zero issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Thought the Yankees were "tanking" this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Tanking, but with safeties. Remember the last time we tanked and spent a 1st rounder on a safety? That was dumb, but this is Smart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Tanking, but with safeties. Yeah, not sure why they didn't trade for Carr or Luck. Fire macc!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 19 minutes ago, ThisYearsModel said: Problem is, these are the Jets. They'll win a few games and screw up the Tank job too. At least everyone knows they are tanking and it is on purpose, unlike the last 48 years. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app This isn't about tanking for a #1 QB. This is about rebuilding a team that had lots of aging vets and a team needing a influx of good young players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmat321 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Sounds to me Mac is safe, Bowles is doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 42 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Part and parcel of tank seasons is a serious scramble to cover one's ass while simultaneously burying the guy next to you. I want to see how the nonsense QB "competition" takes shape, if Bowles keeps pushing McCown out there and if Maccagnan does something about it. It's worth remembering that John Morton left a cush job with the Saints to oversee this toilet, and I can't imagine he's just gonna lay back and watch his career implode in six months. It would be so Jets like for Morton to resign before camp, and become a stud O-Coordinator elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, C Mart said: Thought the Yankees were "tanking" this season? But all the "experts" will tell they knew all their young players would emerge . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 the players are reading this too. hopefully it will motivate them into playing hard and learning the game. but it could also backfire. there was no real reason to launch harris or decker. both of these guys played football without any trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 1 minute ago, 56mehl56 said: But all the "experts" will tell they knew all their young players would emerge . Haha. True. And the Mets look like the '16 Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 29 minutes ago, C Mart said: What are the odds Decker would make it through 1/2 the season healthy? Anyone? Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) 6/6/17, 8:15 PM As Jets look to see if they can trade WR Eric Decker, he has been medically cleared from off-season shoulder and hip surgery, and is healthy Trade him to the Browns for Pryor. We need to get as many safties as we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost420 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Everyone saying we will mess it up and win some games is crazy unless our defense is holding teams to 6 points per game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tfine Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Remember the last time we tanked and spent a 1st rounder on a safety? That was dumb, but this is Smart Don't remember that. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 33 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Maccs made this roster win-proof. I thought he did that last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mogglez Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 3 hours ago, T0mShane said: Part and parcel of tank seasons is a serious scramble to cover one's ass while simultaneously burying the guy next to you. I want to see how the nonsense QB "competition" takes shape, if Bowles keeps pushing McCown out there and if Maccagnan does something about it. It's worth remembering that John Morton left a cush job with the Saints to oversee this toilet, and I can't imagine he's just gonna lay back and watch his career implode in six months. I like John Morton so far and honestly, I think he'd make a better Head Coach than Bowles. It really wouldn't shock me at all to see Todd get fired halfway through the year and Morton given a legit shot to show he can run the team. Maybe it's half the bottle of Jack Daniels making it's way into my system but f*ck it. It's gonna be a lonnnnnngggg year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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