Bugg Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 26 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Looks like lumpen proletariat are very displeased about the lack of vodka at this "Party Meeting". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 hour ago, bitonti said: Is it even in Woody's interest for the team to win games? Other than the mythical home playoff gate they aren't missing out on much, financially. well, yes. eventually they'll get bad enough and the fans will stay home. teams don't necessarily need the stadium gate to break even but the gate does represent the owner's profit. woody didn't buy the team to lose money and i'd be willing to bet he's envious of how much increase in value kraft has had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 31 minutes ago, Bugg said: Looks like lumpen proletariat are very displeased about the lack of vodka at this "Party Meeting". Correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownJetFan Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 One thing it looks like, is Mac seems to be getting more of what he wants than Bowles is getting. Sure Bowles is in the tougher spot right now with lesser and lesser talent to play with, but even with that there should be enough indications this year as to whether he is improving enough as a HC to keep him on. Example, you now have most of the inmates trying to run the asylum gone i.e Marshal, Mangold, Decker, etc. with the whole lets force the team to keep Fitz crap. And the completely worst underachiving for the $ Revis, Gilcrist, etc. The only bad apple left is Richardson at this point and I sense since he is in a contract year he will probably be at his best behavior. So, with that said, there is no excuse with a bunch of kids that can be molded the way you want to lose the locker room this year. None should be arguing with each other, late to meetings, etc. even if we end up 2-14. That is the first thing. Plus, aside of winning, as games go bye, there should be clear progress of players getting better at all positions. If Bowles can even get these 2 things right or headed in the right dirction maybe he has progressed and can keep moving towards being a good HC. We'll start with these 2 things which also includes players being in the right positions like on D in order to make plays. With younger guys there can be communication issues and cause problems there, but once cleared up you can tell whther the coaches have the players in bad positions to make plays, or the players just have bad recognition of play in diagnosing them on the field, which is on the player mainly due to not determining these things during enough film study and such. Even guys like Kyle Wilson and Pryor are faster than you think, but a combination of either being out of position(Coaching and/or player miscommunication) or on field play analysis (The Player is not studying/working hard enough) will cause the atrocious secondary play we have been wacthing for many of these seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 2 hours ago, dbatesman said: No, I'm agreeing with you. We should use all the tools at our disposal, which are many and great, to force Woody to sell. A clear case of Narcissism at its finest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownJetFan Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 We have to realize that owning this team in the big market it is in is not something this owner is going to give up. We can only hope he somehow learns and (though I am an idealist as such) perhaps will startout with Mac (if Bowles gets fired soon), and lets Mac not only hire his own HC, but the HC would report directly to Mac. This may never occur, but one could only hope. If the HC doesn't report to the GM they always have different agendas as we have all hashed out already i.e if McCown starts and wins a few games he still should go to the bench after about a qtr of the season to give way to Hack (Unless Hack is so atrocious that he doesn't belong on the field) and the same applies to Petty. Winning with McCown means something to help the rest of the team grow/learn and get chemistry, but unless it looks like they can be world beaters with him it is more important to get a proper evaluation at the QB position to potentially upgrade there for the near and long term future. Bowles is really probably only looking at the 2017 year and nothing more unless he has been given assurances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Just now, UnknownJetFan said: We have to realize that owning this team in the big market it is in is not something this owner is going to give up. If we stopped complaining about the GM, he might Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I think Mac is not a bad GM I just think he is making a huge mistake of drafting to suit a sh*tacular coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I don't know if people refuse to hold Woody accountable... But unless he has a secret mistress who will record him dropping N bombs we're probably stuck with him until he dies (at which point we can only hope his heirs sell the team.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 It's funny, Jets fans put up a billboard and got a GM fired.... Jets fans, well, its Woodys team, we can't control what he does..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH THE PAIN Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 6 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: Been saying this sh*t for years. Pro sports leagues need to have a rule that if a team is horrible enough for a set period of time, the owner has to sell the team. Knicks and Jets are the prime examples of the need for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 6 hours ago, T0mShane said: And by focusing on Woody, it totally takes the focus off the Bilderbergs. would you like to attend Bohemian Grove this year Mr Shane ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 4 hours ago, dbatesman said: If we stopped complaining about the GM, he might There's the brains I was looking for!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 3 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said: I don't know if people refuse to hold Woody accountable... But unless he has a secret mistress who will record him dropping N bombs we're probably stuck with him until he dies (at which point we can only hope his heirs sell the team.) Woody reacts to fan negativity, plain and simple. Direct it at him, he will react. Fng rocket science man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Woody reacts to fan negativity, plain and simple. Direct it at him, he will react. Fng rocket science man. So if fans criticize him enough he'll sell the team? He's trying to win he's just a buffoon. There's no cure for buffoonery.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 23 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: So if fans criticize him enough he'll sell the team? He's trying to win he's just a buffoon. There's no cure for buffoonery. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Who said anything about selling the team?? All I want is him to stay the hell out of football decisions. Hire one guy and let him be the football guy and make the football decisions. I don't care if it's a GM, a HC or a head of football ops, I just want him out of football decisions. Not sure why selling the team is the only option???? Plenty of owners stay away from football decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said: So if fans criticize him enough he'll sell the team? He's trying to win he's just a buffoon. There's no cure for buffoonery. Forget it, he's rolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 12 hours ago, NoBowles said: No skin off Woody's neck. He will hire his next puppets, and keep on meddling and setting up stupid ass power structures. The real problem is Woody, and he can bring in the next Idzaccagnan, and will. You understand, I hope, that there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about Woody Johnson, right? You also understand, I hope, that you claims of "meddling" are 100% speculative and have no facts to support them, right? No. Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 1 hour ago, dbatesman said: Forget it, he's rolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 25 minutes ago, Warfish said: You understand, I hope, that there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about Woody Johnson, right? You also understand, I hope, that you claims of "meddling" are 100% speculative and have no facts to support them, right? No. Probably not. No, I don't understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 11 hours ago, dbatesman said: No, I'm agreeing with you. We should use all the tools at our disposal, which are many and great, to force Woody to sell. From Jaws, or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 18 minutes ago, NoBowles said: No, I don't understand Clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 13 hours ago, dbatesman said: We should be forcing him to sell the team, which is definitely a thing we can do Maybe we should ask nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 12 hours ago, phill1c said: So, Woody Johnson (Dick Dick) is supposed to give up this incredibly lucrative position because some Jets fans are upset? NOTE TO JETS FANS: HE owns the team, not you. You can, though, ban him from this forum. If you get his IP address I will do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 6 hours ago, NoBowles said: It's funny, Jets fans put up a billboard and got a GM fired.... Jets fans, well, its Woodys team, we can't control what he does..... I always thought Idzik having a stroke during the middle of his one press conference and going 0 for 100 on draft picks is what got him fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 6 hours ago, Maxman said: I always thought Idzik having a stroke during the middle of his one press conference and going 0 for 100 on draft picks is what got him fired. I'm sure that helped, but pretty sure it was the billboard that sealed the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 Woody is an insecure doofus. If the fans and by extension the media started blasting him daily, he'd change his ways. Never said one word about him selling, but his next hire would not have a stupid ass power structure where he ultimately makes the football decisions. I know, I know, minds blown everywhere.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Jojo and Glenn yell at us for complaining too much and now Euclid is saying we don't complain enough. Hopefully we can reconcile some of this at the Facebook party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 20 hours ago, Bugg said: Looks like lumpen proletariat are very displeased about the lack of vodka at this "Party Meeting". Their expressions changed later that night, after it turned into a lemon party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 1 hour ago, NoBowles said: Woody is an insecure doofus. If the fans and by extension the media started blasting him daily, he'd change his ways. Never said one word about him selling, but his next hire would not have a stupid ass power structure where he ultimately makes the football decisions. I know, I know, minds blown everywhere.... No better way to get a 70 year-old cloistered billionaire to change his behavior than by tweeting stuff at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, T0mShane said: No better way to get a 70 year-old cloistered billionaire to change his behavior than by tweeting stuff at him. Unless he blocks you. That'll show you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: No better way to get a 70 year-old cloistered billionaire to change his behavior than by tweeting stuff at him. Shrug, how about a billboard?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 the only way to get Woody to do something is to get the boys down at his Alpine tennis club to start picking on him about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Woody is a terrible owner but somehow his meddling didn't stop Bradway and Tanenbaum from having good years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 26 minutes ago, thadude said: Woody is a terrible owner but somehow his meddling didn't stop Bradway and Tanenbaum from having good years Lol, thank Mangini for that, then he fired Mangini because he didn't kiss his ass every chance he got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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