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Why Stop Now? Why McClendon, Skrine and Forte?


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In order, given the other moves, why are the above three guys still on the team given the other moves?

McClendon is a compete head scratcher.   What about Simon, Thomas, Pennel and Johnson?   Cutting him saves cap room and makes the roster still younger.  

Skrine is harder to replace, but he is another penalty and injury player that can be cut with cap savings and opens up opportunities for others.  

Cutting Forte is the hardest question.  Maybe he helps the QBs, and he yields no cap savings.    But if there someone who can be kept on the roster for a longer term, Forte should go.

 

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17 minutes ago, varjet said:

In order, given the other moves, why are the above three guys still on the team given the other moves?

McClendon is a compete head scratcher.   What about Simon, Thomas, Pennel and Johnson?   Cutting him saves cap room and makes the roster still younger.  

Skrine is harder to replace, but he is another penalty and injury player that can be cut with cap savings and opens up opportunities for others.  

Cutting Forte is the hardest question.  Maybe he helps the QBs, and he yields no cap savings.    But if there someone who can be kept on the roster for a longer term, Forte should go.

 

You can replace Skrine by playing nobody and cutting down on the holding

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41 minutes ago, varjet said:

In order, given the other moves, why are the above three guys still on the team given the other moves?

McClendon is a compete head scratcher.   What about Simon, Thomas, Pennel and Johnson?   Cutting him saves cap room and makes the roster still younger.  

Skrine is harder to replace, but he is another penalty and injury player that can be cut with cap savings and opens up opportunities for others.  

Cutting Forte is the hardest question.  Maybe he helps the QBs, and he yields no cap savings.    But if there someone who can be kept on the roster for a longer term, Forte should go.

 

doubt it regarding skrine & forte..see dead money

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-york-jets/

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42 minutes ago, varjet said:

In order, given the other moves, why are the above three guys still on the team given the other moves?

McClendon is a compete head scratcher.   What about Simon, Thomas, Pennel and Johnson?   Cutting him saves cap room and makes the roster still younger.  

Skrine is harder to replace, but he is another penalty and injury player that can be cut with cap savings and opens up opportunities for others.  

Cutting Forte is the hardest question.  Maybe he helps the QBs, and he yields no cap savings.    But if there someone who can be kept on the roster for a longer term, Forte should go.

 

 

13 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

There isn't much reason to cut Forte for a younger player.  RBs come out of nowhere all the time and don't generally last.  There really isn't much developmental time at RB.  A guy they get now would probably be done by the time it mattered.

I think Forte will be used quite a bit in the receiving game, similar to how he was used in Chicago. He can make up for lack of experienced WR's with his receiving ability. 

Powell is a nice back with the ability to catch as well. With the injury potential at RB we should keep Forte around. 

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29 minutes ago, Stark said:

 

I think Forte will be used quite a bit in the receiving game, similar to how he was used in Chicago. He can make up for lack of experienced WR's with his receiving ability. 

Powell is a nice back with the ability to catch as well. With the injury potential at RB we should keep Forte around. 

McClendon is the head scratcher.  

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It's one thing to cut dead weight. It's another figure in a dump year we can just roster 50 players all on their rookie contracts and expect them to carry themselves off the field and in practice equally, as though this was a video game where those things don't come into play, and where no players have poor personal habits, none act immaturely, and all work and practice just as hard as the next guy. Nor is it as though the typical younger guy has the character of a Leo Williams. 

Simply put, a team - even a rebuilding team in a tank season - needs some veterans on the roster. Of the 3 mentioned in this thread:

1. McLendon is fairly cheap; cutting him saves $3m, which isn't very much anymore.

2. Forte's cost is irrelevant since it's all guaranteed. Cutting him saves nothing but a roster spot that'd get filled by some UDFA who'd soon be cut himself.

3. Skrine can go for all I care. He's hardly the model of either maturity or stellar play.

The other reality is any/all of them could get cut at the end of the summer. Injury aside, there's no financial benefit to cutting Skrine now vs cutting him at the end of August. Let someone beat him out (or at least come close) first.

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1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said:

There isn't much reason to cut Forte for a younger player.  RBs come out of nowhere all the time and don't generally last.  There really isn't much developmental time at RB.  A guy they get now would probably be done by the time it mattered.

Exactly. 

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I might be wrong but I think Jets are trying to rebuild defense this year while tanking and ignore offence completely to make sure they get the top pick. Next year, with all that cap space I think they will go heavy on offence and bring some talent and hope for a quick turnaround. This year, it is building up defense and next year will be about spending money to build up offence. 

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51 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

It's one thing to cut dead weight. It's another figure in a dump year we can just roster 50 players all on their rookie contracts and expect them to carry themselves off the field and in practice equally, as though this was a video game where those things don't come into play, and where no players have poor personal habits, none act immaturely, and all work and practice just as hard as the next guy. Nor is it as though the typical younger guy has the character of a Leo Williams. 

Simply put, a team - even a rebuilding team in a tank season - needs some veterans on the roster. Of the 3 mentioned in this thread:

1. McLendon is fairly cheap; cutting him saves $3m, which isn't very much anymore.

2. Forte's cost is irrelevant since it's all guaranteed. Cutting him saves nothing but a roster spot that'd get filled by some UDFA who'd soon be cut himself.

3. Skrine can go for all I care. He's hardly the model of either maturity or stellar play.

The other reality is any/all of them could get cut at the end of the summer. Injury aside, there's no financial benefit to cutting Skrine now vs cutting him at the end of August. Let someone beat him out (or at least come close) first.

This all the way.  While age has of course been a factor in many of this offseason's moves, money has definitely been a major motivator for everyone who has been shown the door so far, and that simply does not exist for Forte at all, and is minimal for McLendon.  Of the DL's "starters", McLendon is by far the cheapest and the only one who plays NT.  I'm sure they have far more motivation to move Sheldon before him, with of course the major catch there being that they want something back in return.

Skrine is definitely the next man up on the list who gives plenty of room for savings, with not a ton of motivation to keep him.  Basically, his main benefit at this point is teams always need lots of CBs, and most of their other guys are complete unknowns, besides the injury-prone Claiborne.  That said, if Burris and/or the rookies impress the team throughout camp and the preseason, Skrine would definitely be a candidate for the next veteran to go.

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McClendon - reasonable $ and he's a decent player, plus Deon Simon is a JAG

Forte - all his $ is guaranteed (Thx Mac!)

 

Skrine - had a bad year last season but I think Bowles' misuse and ineptitude had a lot to do with it.  Most jet fans hate this guy but he was our best defensive player first half of '15

 

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6 hours ago, varjet said:

In order, given the other moves, why are the above three guys still on the team given the other moves?

McClendon is a compete head scratcher.   What about Simon, Thomas, Pennel and Johnson?   Cutting him saves cap room and makes the roster still younger.  

Skrine is harder to replace, but he is another penalty and injury player that can be cut with cap savings and opens up opportunities for others.  

Cutting Forte is the hardest question.  Maybe he helps the QBs, and he yields no cap savings.    But if there someone who can be kept on the roster for a longer term, Forte should go.

 

I would trade Skrine and give the team a 5th rounder for taking him off our hands. 

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4 hours ago, thadude said:

All the horrible moves this offseason and the head scratcher is a $3 million Nose Tackle who is a decent player?

Be fair.  Most of the truly horrible moves came prior to this offseason.

I think those looking to chop McClendon have inflated views of Simon.  Guy was okay, but he had about 25 tackles.  Thomas is a DE.  I think he weighs less than 290.  He is not playing NT. He played in three games last year and had like one tackle.  Doubt many people remember Pennel playing - just that he started a few games for the Packers and weighs 330+.  Guy served two four-game suspensions last year alone and without an appeal and lawsuit the second one would have been ten games.  Not somebody to rely on. Johnson has played for three teams in two years and has barely any statistics.

If Simon proves to be a starting level player, it may make sense to cut McClendon before the season starts.  As of right now, they should just hold on to him and see how things shake out.  Unless you want to play Sheldon at NT, since nobody liked him at LB.  

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23 hours ago, Jetdawgg said:

Macc likes redundancy at the DT position

i makes sense for them carry more than a few dline simply so they can rotate in and out and stay fresh.  i guess the beef is that they did put a ton of money at the positions with not much to show with regard to qb pressure.  hopefully mcclendon won't get hurt, richardson and wilk will play hard for their future contracts.

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On 6/16/2017 at 5:05 PM, #27TheDominator said:

Be fair.  Most of the truly horrible moves came prior to this offseason.

I think those looking to chop McClendon have inflated views of Simon.

Simon is a freaking JAG.  I remember the Wilkerson/Macagnan-lovers last offseason saying he's the next Tony Siragusa and he made Snacks expendable

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On 6/16/2017 at 2:18 PM, Azuma said:

I would trade Skrine and give the team a 5th rounder for taking him off our hands. 

Why not just throw in next season's first round pick too?  I heard the 2099 qb draft class look awesome

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10 hours ago, Warfish said:

No. It's really, really not that hard a question.

Everyone fails to realize that it cost 6 million to cut forte... it only costs 5 million to keep him.... ummm why not just keep him for less money

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11 hours ago, Warfish said:

No. It's really, really not that hard a question.

There's 0 point in cutting Forte all his money is guaranteed and Macc's dumpster fire offseason already has us with $18 million in dead cap room 

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1 minute ago, thadude said:

Because it's a "youf movement"

 

2 minutes ago, thadude said:

There's 0 point in cutting Forte all his money is guaranteed and Macc's dumpster fire offseason already has us with $18 million in dead cap room 

Nearly Half that dead money is a one year contract spread over two years and revis deciding to give up on football after winning a superbowl

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6 hours ago, thadude said:

There's 0 point in cutting Forte all his money is guaranteed and Macc's dumpster fire offseason already has us with $18 million in dead cap room 

8 hours ago, Skeptable said:

Everyone fails to realize that it cost 6 million to cut forte... it only costs 5 million to keep him.... ummm why not just keep him for less money

 

The point is to not waste reps on a well-over-the-hill journeyman-level-talent RB of no real importance to the Jets.

Every carry he takes, is a carry that SHOULD go to a young fresh RB with a potential future.

That's the point.  We can afford to do it.  There is no reason NOT to do it.

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2 hours ago, Warfish said:

 

The point is to not waste reps on a well-over-the-hill journeyman-level-talent RB of no real importance to the Jets.

Every carry he takes, is a carry that SHOULD go to a young fresh RB with a potential future.

That's the point.  We can afford to do it.  There is no reason NOT to do it.

Oh okay so we should cut Forte to give extra reps to a young running back so he can learn to play the position even tho it's the easiest position by far to learn in the NFL that Ezekiel Elliott can come in and lead the NFL in rushing as a rookie.  Gotcha. 

 

Also, where's the youf movement at RB?  Is the development of Bilal Powell, who has been in the NFL for 6 years now, what's holding us back from competing for a Super Bowl?

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3 hours ago, thadude said:

Oh okay so we should cut Forte to give extra reps to a young running back so he can learn to play the position even tho it's the easiest position by far to learn in the NFL that Ezekiel Elliott can come in and lead the NFL in rushing as a rookie.  Gotcha. 

 

Also, where's the youf movement at RB?  Is the development of Bilal Powell, who has been in the NFL for 6 years now, what's holding us back from competing for a Super Bowl?

:rolleyes:

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