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Regarding our $80 Million War Chest Next Year

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I'd say do what the Pats did.  Save that money up and use it on a rainy day,  Football is one the one sport you can't drop a ton of moey on contracts.  You sign the QB nad a couple of defensive stalewarts and thats it.  You save the money for Adams and whomever turns out to be indispensible the next few years.  But don't waste in on guys that will give us two decent seaons.  We learn our lesson with the Great Pittsburgh Rip Off Artist.

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I have no idea who will be available next year but there is a good chance we will need to use some of the money on the offensive line. RT, LT and C are still major question marks heading forward. If any of them faulter this year we will want to go look for the best to protect that 1st round qb we will be drafting in 18.

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9 hours ago, pdxgreen said:

I'd say do what the Pats did.  Save that money up and use it on a rainy day,  Football is one the one sport you can't drop a ton of moey on contracts.  You sign the QB nad a couple of defensive stalewarts and thats it.  You save the money for Adams and whomever turns out to be indispensible the next few years.  But don't waste in on guys that will give us two decent seaons.  We learn our lesson with the Great Pittsburgh Rip Off Artist.

Whos the great pitt ripoff artist? 

 

Also whats the deal with the cap. Can u continue to spend less and send the balance to coming years or is it limited? 

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5 hours ago, Dcronin said:

If that indeed holds up. Will it be more or less? Who knows who else we'll sign before then, or who else we'll shed.

Anyway, who are say, 5 good players off the list of free agents that you think the Jets might have a shot at?

http://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/19029990/best-potential-2018-nfl-free-agents-position-john-clayton

DC

i would not mind Allen Robinson and Le Veon Bell

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I don't think you squander that money on high priced FAs who likely won't work out in the long run. Ideally you draft well and resign your own talent -- if we draft a QB high maybe spend some on the offensive line/ WRs to give him more to work with, but nothing crazy.

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6 hours ago, johnnysd said:

Exactly ZERO of them in the first couple weeks of free agency. High priced free agents almost universally suck. We have 4 years we can use that money on the talent we develop. No more splash free agents. Let Trader Mike sign those losers down in Miami. 

If MAC is there, you can be assured every penny of that $80 mil will be used up. 

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6 hours ago, johnnysd said:

Exactly ZERO of them in the first couple weeks of free agency. High priced free agents almost universally suck. We have 4 years we can use that money on the talent we develop. No more splash free agents. Let Trader Mike sign those losers down in Miami. 

To be fair, the Giants used cap room to fill in a few key holes on their defense the last couple of years. Not sure where the Giants would be without Vernon, Cromartie and Snacks.  Free agency shouldn't be how you build your team, but it can help fill the gaps in  your roster.

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3 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

To be fair, the Giants used cap room to fill in a few key holes on their defense the last couple of years. Not sure where the Giants would be without Vernon, Cromartie and Snacks.  Free agency shouldn't be how you build your team, but it can help fill the gaps in  your roster.

Snacks was the move that got the Giants into the playoffs and he's why the beat the Cowboys twice last year

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we should use it on our worthy home grown talent, sign some free agents for depth who are quality players and teammates, and keep drafting. We will figure it out after the tank

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$80 million isn't a lot when you consider conservatively we will need to fill 6-7 starting positions on both offense and defense 

 

over multiple years ... we won't be looking for the SB in 2018 ... only a starting QB and further player development ... so a large chunk should

be set aside for 2019. Hopefully have a large chunk then to sign missing pieces and depth.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Dcronin said:

If that indeed holds up. Will it be more or less? Who knows who else we'll sign before then, or who else we'll shed.

Anyway, who are say, 5 good players off the list of free agents that you think the Jets might have a shot at?

http://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/19029990/best-potential-2018-nfl-free-agents-position-john-clayton

DC

Also have to factor in the cap going up, as it has every year for a while now. So, we could be looking at about $90mil

 

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Starting with players on our roster already:

Extend Enunwa now. It should have been done already in March. It should have been done before letting go of Marshall, and definitely before letting go of Decker. The only way his price goes down a year later is if he gets seriously injured. Even a so-so season won't cause his money numbers to drop. Now is the time because now is when he's looking at being 2 years away from a serious payday. Next year he'll be a year closer and he'll rightly be less flexible. A year after that we'll pay 2019 market price, which will surely be approaching (if not over) $10m for an 800-yard, 26-27 year-old WR by then. Before you laugh at that price, consider how much harder you'd have laughed - just 1 year ago, never mind 2 years ago - at the idea of paying Brian Winters $7.5m per. 

Extend Leo. After this season he will have 3 years accrued, making him eligible for an extension. Yes, the extension will be expensive - think Mo's level contract - but it will go up another 30-50% if we wait another year or two. Nobody was thinking more than Watt-money for Mo in 2016, let alone 2015, but that's what he got. The difficulty is, unlike with Enunwa, Leo will have been making good money for 3 years already as a #6 overall pick.  The advantage is that a 4 year extension can be evened-out over 6 years, spend less when the dust has settled, and then we further don't force-feed spending on lesser players now or later.

Extend Carpenter, for 3 years through age 32-33 (or for 4 years with a meaningless year 4 he'll likely not see), if we're going to extend him at all. And since we didn't take a guard, don't seem to have one on-hand who's a likely successor, and guards' play doesn't typically fall off a cliff at age 30, he should be worth it. If he's already thinking $11-12m per on an extension (don't laugh; with another rise in the cap ceiling he might very well be thinking just that or more), then forget it and draft a guard in 2018 who starts in 2019, and pick up the comp pick for Carpenter a year after that. He's really good and is a rock on our line, but he's still just a guard and next year he'll be 29 not 26.

Hopefully dump either Beachum or Ijalana, which clears up another $4m over keeping both for a second season. Before you celebrate; it's only a "savings" because of the head-scratcher of signing both of them in the first place. If Shell (or Qvale) is starting at RT, in 2017 we already have either paid for a $5m backup LT or a $12m backup LT (with the loser presumably getting cut after the 2017 season). So it's no net savings at all since the loser's 2017-guaranteed money would have naturally just carried over to 2018 anyway.

I guess they'll extend Wesley Johnson. He'll be another one where we controlled the player while he was making peanuts and will still end up paying full, UFA market rate (i.e. paying more than he's worth). While our best case scenario is that he pans out, the only way we come out looking "smart" on this is if he is meh but was ok to hold the fort for a tear-down year since he'll have proven he wasn't worth more than just the RFA tag in 2017. So he'll either cost $8m per as a UFA next year, we'll see who else shakes free as a FA center, or there's our 2nd round pick next year since we won't be able to afford dice-rolling on an instant-starter in the mid-later rounds.

Claiborne. If he's the only decent starting CB this year they'll extend him since the team will have painted itself into a corner. If someone else looks decent they're better off letting him reach FA and pick up the compensatory draft pick a year later (if we can keep it in our pants with UFAs). It's not like he's proven reliable, and even if he makes it through one 16-game season that doesn't mean that's what he'll bring for the next 2-3 years thereafter.

Sefarian-Jenkins. Too early to call at this point, but he'll be a UFA next year. It's not like he isn't talented, but can he be trusted enough once he's got a mountain of guaranteed money?

And finally the elephant in the room: Sheldon. It seems they're going to see if they can get a decent offer again by October, otherwise they'll make a choice between him and Mo after the season. The team can't keep all 3 of them, and shouldn't have all this time as it is. On a 3-man line one is a necessary odd-man out and on a 4-man line they're just too slow as a group no matter how talented each is individually. Our 3 most talented players all play in the same unit (if not the same position outright), and that poor allocation of resources will make even less sense when they're all making veteran money. 

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7 hours ago, johnnysd said:

Exactly ZERO of them in the first couple weeks of free agency. High priced free agents almost universally suck. We have 4 years we can use that money on the talent we develop. No more splash free agents. Let Trader Mike sign those losers down in Miami. 

THIS EXACTLY

Have we learned nothing from the last 2 years? High priced over rated FA"s are not the way to go, especially when you are building a young team through the draft. Take that money and bribe Jim Harbaugh to come coach this team, or throw it at another legitimate head football coach so we can finally turn the corner and head upwards toward contention, but as far as players go, young, fast, cheaper and through the draft. The only high priced FA I would even consider would be along the OL, nowhere else.

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3 hours ago, HighPitch said:

Whos the great pitt ripoff artist?

 

Also whats the deal with the cap. Can u continue to spend less and send the balance to coming years or is it limited?

Santonio Homeless

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