Former Jets QB Chad Pennington hopes Todd Bowles gets the chance to turn franchise around

[#27TheDominator]

2 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

3rd and 17 deep in our territory in the first half.  nah, it was a great decision.  our QB held onto the ball too long?  

 

 If you are a Steelers fan he held it just long enough.  It's not like that play was an anomaly.  He fumbled a ton and held the ball too long so much that they tried to teach him red light-green light.  Like a 6 year old.  It didn't work. That team carried him and you are one of the few still trying to pretend it didn't.  

[nyjunc]

9 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

 If you are a Steelers fan he held it just long enough.  It's not like that play was an anomaly.  He fumbled a ton and held the ball too long so much that they tried to teach him red light-green light.  Like a 6 year old.  It didn't work. That team carried him and you are one of the few still trying to pretend it didn't.  

he went through some struggles as a rookie and they instituted the red/green thing temporarily.  

The team carried nothing, w/ HOFer Brett favre, weaker sched and no Brady they couldn't even make the playoffs yet w? Mark they had 2 cracks at SBs.  Stop the nonsense.

[#27TheDominator]

1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

he went through some struggles as a rookie and they instituted the red/green thing temporarily.  

The team carried nothing, w/ HOFer Brett favre, weaker sched and no Brady they couldn't even make the playoffs yet w? Mark they had 2 cracks at SBs.  Stop the nonsense.

Keep telling yourself that.  #1 overall D did not carry him.  The #25 (being generous) QB led that team.  Did you know that the Favre team and the Rex team had like 7 different starters?  Plus Rex who was obviously a better defensive mind than Mangini. 

[Sperm Edwards]

12 hours ago, nyjunc said:

both QBs started 8 games. Foles was 6-2(really 5-2 as Mark came in tie game and led Philly to win in Houston), Mark 4-4.  looks bad but let's dig deeper, shall we?

in 8 games Foles started they faced just 2 playoff teams, going 1-1 against Indy and Ari

In 8 games mark started 5 were against playoff bound teams- actually 5 were against the NFC final 4 that year- 2 vs. Dallas, 1 vs. Sea, GB and Car

so we can see he faced the MUCH, MUCH, MUCH tougher portion of the schedule.

w/ that much tougher sched let's look at the pts the QBs led their O to.(we'll prorate the Houston game)

w/ Fole in 7 games:

O averaged 22 points per game

w/ sanchez in essentially 9 games:

O averaged 27.1 PPG

against a MUCH tougher part of sched the O average over 5 more PPG, almost a TD more per game but yeah it was Mark's fault why they went 4-4 w/ him starting and missed the playoffs.

 

 

 

lol 

You act like they were in similar situations, when it was night and day. Neither QB was good, but Sanchez had a comparatively dominant OL. Foles, in contrast, took a merciless beating on a weekly basis early on (plus getting laid out on a dirty hit from 300-lb Chris Baker week 3, which should have sidelined him). At the time he broke his collarbone he led the league in getting hit while throwing, which comes as no surprise:

• pro bowl LG Mathis left the game before halftime in week 1, and fully missed games 2-8 for Foles. Top backup Matt Tobin also missed the first 3 games after injuring his knee in the preseason game vs the Jets, so they went down to 3rd string guard Dennis Kelly for those 3 games, and he was just atrocious. Mathis was back in the lineup for games 9-16 for Sanchez.
• pro bowl C Kelce missed half of week 3 and all of games 4-7 for Foles, and was replaced by some mook named David Molk. Kelce was back in the lineup for games 8-16 for Sanchez.
• starting RT Lane Johnson was suspended for the first 4 games of the season. Johnson's backup at RT (Barbre) was also placed on IR in week 2. Johnson was back up to speed and 100% for all of Sanchez's games.
• Foles had RG Herremans and Sanchez didn't, which would seem to be in Foles' favor on paper, except Herremans wasn't a good pass blocker anymore, and at 32 was having the worst season of his career. Then tore his biceps week 9. He was replaced by Andrew Gardner, who ended up being a noticeable upgrade, which is why Philly kept him and cut Herremans after the season. The lousy Herremans started games 1-8 for Foles, and the upgrade Gardner started games 9-16 for Sanchez.

That awful, early OL also had a devastating effect on the running game. McCoy looked like crap for most of those first 5 weeks. Sproles then sprained his knee week 6, missing the next game vs Arizona (which was exactly the kind of loss for which we're used to you absolving Sanchez: 3rd & 5 with 1:33 left to play, and the D surrenders a gamewinning 75-yd TD pass). 

Oh, also with all that above, over the first 5 games the Eagles D did them no favors either, as they surrendered 26.4 ppg. Eagles were 4-1 over that stretch. 

[nyjunc]

19 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

Keep telling yourself that.  #1 overall D did not carry him.  The #25 (being generous) QB led that team.  Did you know that the Favre team and the Rex team had like 7 different starters?  Plus Rex who was obviously a better defensive mind than Mangini. 

at no point did I say our QB carried us but when you have nothing you need to make things up.

 

we had a few different starters in 2008 vs. 2009 but the bulk of the team was the same and we had much weaker sched and no Brady around.

[Jet Nut]

11 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

lol 

You act like they were in similar situations, when it was night and day. Neither QB was good, but Sanchez had a comparatively dominant OL. Foles, in contrast, took a merciless beating on a weekly basis early on (plus getting laid out on a dirty hit from 300-lb Chris Baker week 3, which should have sidelined him). At the time he broke his collarbone he led the league in getting hit while throwing, which comes as no surprise:

• pro bowl LG Mathis left the game before halftime in week 1, and fully missed games 2-8 for Foles. Top backup Matt Tobin also missed the first 3 games after injuring his knee in the preseason game vs the Jets, so they went down to 3rd string guard Dennis Kelly for those 3 games, and he was just atrocious. Mathis was back in the lineup for games 9-16 for Sanchez.
• pro bowl C Kelce missed half of week 3 and all of games 4-7 for Foles, and was replaced by some mook named David Molk. Kelce was back in the lineup for games 8-16 for Sanchez.
• starting RT Lane Johnson was suspended for the first 4 games of the season. Johnson's backup at RT (Barbre) was also placed on IR in week 2. Johnson was back up to speed and 100% for all of Sanchez's games.
• Foles had RG Herremans and Sanchez didn't, which would seem to be in Foles' favor on paper, except Herremans wasn't a good pass blocker anymore, and at 32 was having the worst season of his career. Then tore his biceps week 9. He was replaced by Andrew Gardner, who ended up being a noticeable upgrade, which is why Philly kept him and cut Herremans after the season. The lousy Herremans started games 1-8 for Foles, and the upgrade Gardner started games 9-16 for Sanchez.

That awful, early OL also had a devastating effect on the running game. McCoy looked like crap for most of those first 5 weeks. Sproles then sprained his knee week 6, missing the next game vs Arizona (which was exactly the kind of loss for which we're used to you absolving Sanchez: 3rd & 5 with 1:33 left to play, and the D surrenders a gamewinning 75-yd TD pass). 

Oh, also with all that above, over the first 5 games the Eagles D did them no favors either, as they surrendered 26.4 ppg. Eagles were 4-1 over that stretch. 

I cant think of a more pointless way to compare two QBs than by how many points they averaged at different times of the season.  As you point out all teams change over the course of a season with injuries etc.  Schedules bring out different teams.  The defense dictates what kind of offense you need to win, how many points you need to put up.  Who cares?  When it came down to crunch time, season on the line, Sanchez threw the season away with his arm, throwing picks that ended their season

[nyjunc]

11 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

lol 

You act like they were in similar situations, when it was night and day. Neither QB was good, but Sanchez had a comparatively dominant OL. Foles, in contrast, took a merciless beating on a weekly basis early on (plus getting laid out on a dirty hit from 300-lb Chris Baker week 3, which should have sidelined him). At the time he broke his collarbone he led the league in getting hit while throwing, which comes as no surprise:

• pro bowl LG Mathis left the game before halftime in week 1, and fully missed games 2-8 for Foles. Top backup Matt Tobin also missed the first 3 games after injuring his knee in the preseason game vs the Jets, so they went down to 3rd string guard Dennis Kelly for those 3 games, and he was just atrocious. Mathis was back in the lineup for games 9-16 for Sanchez.
• pro bowl C Kelce missed half of week 3 and all of games 4-7 for Foles, and was replaced by some mook named David Molk. Kelce was back in the lineup for games 8-16 for Sanchez.
• starting RT Lane Johnson was suspended for the first 4 games of the season. Johnson's backup at RT (Barbre) was also placed on IR in week 2. Johnson was back up to speed and 100% for all of Sanchez's games.
• Foles had RG Herremans and Sanchez didn't, which would seem to be in Foles' favor on paper, except Herremans wasn't a good pass blocker anymore, and at 32 was having the worst season of his career. Then tore his biceps week 9. He was replaced by Andrew Gardner, who ended up being a noticeable upgrade, which is why Philly kept him and cut Herremans after the season. The lousy Herremans started games 1-8 for Foles, and the upgrade Gardner started games 9-16 for Sanchez.

That awful, early OL also had a devastating effect on the running game. McCoy looked like crap for most of those first 5 weeks. Sproles then sprained his knee week 6, missing the next game vs Arizona (which was exactly the kind of loss for which we're used to you absolving Sanchez: 3rd & 5 with 1:33 left to play, and the D surrenders a gamewinning 75-yd TD pass). 

Oh, also with all that above, over the first 5 games the Eagles D did them no favors either, as they surrendered 26.4 ppg. Eagles were 4-1 over that stretch. 

injuries are part of the game and you do know the D was worse w/ Sanchez, right? and the D/STs scored a ridiculous amount of points for Philly w/ Foles including one game where all 21 pts were scored by D/STs.

 

D pts allowed per game:

Foles: 22.3 PPG

Sanchez: 23.8 PPG

D/STs pts scored:

Foles: 49 points

Sanchez: 28 points

 

so to review:  O w/ Sanchez scored 27.1 PPG, O w/ Foles 22

D w/ Sanchez allowed 23.8 PPG, Foles 22.3

D/STs scored 49 for Foles, 28 for Sanchez

 

yet somehow Mark suck and their collapse was all his fault.  Amaaing.

[nyjunc]

1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

I cant think of a more pointless way to compare two QBs than by how many points they averaged at different times of the season.  As you point out all teams change over the course of a season with injuries etc.  Schedules bring out different teams.  The defense dictates what kind of offense you need to win, how many points you need to put up.  Who cares?  When it came down to crunch time, season on the line, Sanchez threw the season away with his arm, throwing picks that ended their season

uh now, the D couldn't stop Dallas and Washington and even had they won the Washington game they still would have missed the playoffs.  they missed b/c of the Dallas game when the D allowed 38 points and again mark was under C against the much tougher portion of their sched facing 5 games against PO teams in his 8 starts compared to 2 for Foles.

[Jet Nut]

13 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

uh now, the D couldn't stop Dallas and Washington and even had they won the Washington game they still would have missed the playoffs.  they missed b/c of the Dallas game when the D allowed 38 points and again mark was under C against the much tougher portion of their sched facing 5 games against PO teams in his 8 starts compared to 2 for Foles.

You keep trying to put lipstick on a pig.  He's still a pig no matter how you slice it.  Defense gave up more points later in the season?  Usually, yes most do.  Mark Sanchez is one of the worst starting QBs in the history of the league.  Not just the Jets.  I would never take him over O'B, Penny, Vinny or Favre pre injury.  He pisses away a playoff position after taking over a 6-2 team and you make every excuse for why they pissed away the lead, ignoring all the INTs and poor play.  He is what he is, a turnover machine.  

Worse a turnover machine at the worst possible moment.  

[nyjunc]

5 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

You keep trying to put lipstick on a pig.  He's still a pig no matter how you slice it.  Defense gave up more points later in the season?  Usually, yes most do.  Mark Sanchez is one of the worst starting QBs in the history of the league.  Not just the Jets.  I would never take him over O'B, Penny, Vinny or Favre pre injury.  He pisses away a playoff position after taking over a 6-2 team and you make every excuse for why they pissed away the lead, ignoring all the INTs and poor play.  He is what he is, a turnover machine.  

Worse a turnover machine at the worst possible moment.  

stop it, he's one of the best starting QBs in the history of the Jets so obviously he's not one of the worst in the history of the league.  we failed him, he didn't fail us.

yes he pissed away playoff position by leading O to almost a TD more per game against tougher portion of sched but little old iron man brett favre gets the injury excuse against creampuff sched.  Jet fans are the worst.

 

[Jet Nut]

5 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

stop it, he's one of the best starting QBs in the history of the Jets so obviously he's not one of the worst in the history of the league.  we failed him, he didn't fail us.

yes he pissed away playoff position by leading O to almost a TD more per game against tougher portion of sched but little old iron man brett favre gets the injury excuse against creampuff sched.  Jet fans are the worst.

 

Stopped reading when you put up your usual "he's one of the best QBs in the history of the Jets" nonsense.  Other than having the good fortune of playing under a great defense and great running game while being charged with not fu{king it up, he sucked.  

And stop insisting on the ridiculous idea that losing games while scoring 6 or so more points that the previous QB put up earlier in the season absolves him of blame and is cause for celebration.  

Love your logic though.  Sanchez gets credit for wins that the defense and run game gave him with the Jets just because he was under center.

But he gets none of the blame for being under center in Philly, its was the defenses fault.

Done arguing with you, youre a Sanchez fan boy who cant accept him for what he was

[nyjunc]

3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Stopped reading when you put up your usual "he's one of the best QBs in the history of the Jets" nonsense.  Other than having the good fortune of playing under a great defense and great running game while being charged with not fu{king it up, he sucked.  

And stop insisting on the ridiculous idea that losing games while scoring 6 or so more points that the previous QB put up earlier in the season absolves him of blame and is cause for celebration.  

Love your logic though.  Sanchez gets credit for wins that the defense and run game gave him with the Jets just because he was under center.

But he gets none of the blame for being under center in Philly, its was the defenses fault.

Done arguing with you, youre a Sanchez fan boy who cant accept him for what he was

haha, a "great defense".  great D's don't blow 4-5 late game leads in a season, blow double digit leads in POs.  Ken O'Brien played on MUCH better teams(in a weaker era for AFC football) and never won a single playoff game but jet fans pretend he was better than Mark.

Sanchez gets credit for HELPING us win, our D and run game were NOT great but the D was very good and the run game was good.  

I love when people start making things up that they think I said simply b/c they can't read. then they walk out in a huff, just have some dignity and say you have nothing.  I'd respect you for that instead of making things up.

[Jet Nut]

5 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

haha, a "great defense".  great D's don't blow 4-5 late game leads in a season, blow double digit leads in POs.  Ken O'Brien played on MUCH better teams(in a weaker era for AFC football) and never won a single playoff game but jet fans pretend he was better than Mark.

Sanchez gets credit for HELPING us win, our D and run game were NOT great but the D was very good and the run game was good.  

I love when people start making things up that they think I said simply b/c they can't read. then they walk out in a huff, just have some dignity and say you have nothing.  I'd respect you for that instead of making things up.

Thats it, make fun of the number one NFL defense to pump up the worst QB in the league.  Your logic is impeccable. 

You must love it when people walk away from you.  Your argument that Sanchez was a top QB anywhere is nonsense and no one agrees with you.  Ever wonder why and question how right you are?  Not due to making things up, due to how silly and foolish your argument is.  Its like beating your head into a wall.  

Nah

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

injuries are part of the game and you do know the D was worse w/ Sanchez, right? and the D/STs scored a ridiculous amount of points for Philly w/ Foles including one game where all 21 pts were scored by D/STs.

 

D pts allowed per game:

Foles: 22.3 PPG

Sanchez: 23.8 PPG

D/STs pts scored:

Foles: 49 points

Sanchez: 28 points

 

so to review:  O w/ Sanchez scored 27.1 PPG, O w/ Foles 22

D w/ Sanchez allowed 23.8 PPG, Foles 22.3

D/STs scored 49 for Foles, 28 for Sanchez

 

yet somehow Mark suck and their collapse was all his fault.  Amaaing.

You're missing the point. They both sucked.

Meanwhile you're the first one to always harp in about the players surrounding poor Mark here. Well that year, Sanchez's OL was elite compared to what Foles played through. And even with that, he still stood there like an idiot - like he did here so many times - and just took sack after sack while he was so busy staring down his targets.

You show me Sanchez succeeding on an OL that had 4 (and briefly, 5) backup-level (and backup to the backup level) offensive linemen and then get back to me.

[nyjunc]

57 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Thats it, make fun of the number one NFL defense to pump up the worst QB in the league.  Your logic is impeccable. 

You must love it when people walk away from you.  Your argument that Sanchez was a top QB anywhere is nonsense and no one agrees with you.  Ever wonder why and question how right you are?  Not due to making things up, due to how silly and foolish your argument is.  Its like beating your head into a wall.  

Nah

you can go by blind rankings, I go by what I see. Our D was very good and it led our team for 2 years BUT it was not great.  Great D's don't consistently blow late leads, great D's don't get wiped out in title games 2 straight years. 

[nyjunc]

29 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

You're missing the point. They both sucked.

Meanwhile you're the first one to always harp in about the players surrounding poor Mark here. Well that year, Sanchez's OL was elite compared to what Foles played through. And even with that, he still stood there like an idiot - like he did here so many times - and just took sack after sack while he was so busy staring down his targets.

You show me Sanchez succeeding on an OL that had 4 (and briefly, 5) backup-level (and backup to the backup level) offensive linemen and then get back to me.

I watched those games, yes he could have done more but please remember he had missed a season, hadn't played in 2 years and was coming in to a new system.  he played well, it's not fair to ask him(or foles) to carry a team.  they are parts of a team and he did his job.  

[Sperm Edwards]

1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

I watched those games, yes he could have done more but please remember he had missed a season, hadn't played in 2 years and was coming in to a new system.  he played well, it's not fair to ask him(or foles) to carry a team.  they are parts of a team and he did his job.  

You like to use these little phrases like "yes he could have done more" in an effort to downplay his poor play and then grade him on a curve; a grading curve you hypocritically disallow and dismiss for others. Just saying.

[Jet Nut]

38 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

you can go by blind rankings, I go by what I see. Our D was very good and it led our team for 2 years BUT it was not great.  Great D's don't consistently blow late leads, great D's don't get wiped out in title games 2 straight years. 

Youre the one who points to his win/loss record and who his team beat.

Anyone who goes by their eyes, what they saw out of the QB position when the Jets won knows that they won in spite of Sanchez and would have won even more with a Rivers, etc while you hold to what they did win and your fantasy reasons for those wins.  No one agrees with you but you cant stop repeating that your eyes tell you he was one of the Jets best ever.  Sure he was

[Ex-Rex]

On 7/13/2017 at 10:22 PM, Lil Woody said:

1) He lost the team.

2) He has no ability to effect the game from the sidelines. That's a bit of a catch all in saying he can't game plan, cant adjust, can't manage game situations or a clock properly, can't scheme an effective defense to fit the players abilities (stuck in his "system").

He's probably a great guy and an old school coaches coach type of guy.  But he's also toothless and ineffective. 2 things that you can not be taught or developed. You either command respect or you don't. You either are a guy that will do whatever it takes to find a way to make things work for you or you are the type of guys who is willing to just to sit back and become a spectator when you feel things are out of your control. 

All that and then some. I think Bowles WILL get a mulligan this season however because of the "rebuilding" going on. However, if he insists on playing McCown over Hackenberg then I hope he is relieved of duty ASAP. It will show that he and Mac are NOT on the same page. Todd, the record don't matter in 2017 so don't try to win a few meaningless games by playing McCown EVER.

[ScarletKnight89]

On ‎7‎/‎20‎/‎2017 at 1:37 PM, nyjunc said:

he certainly had bad games, he wasn't most responsible for most of our losses though even though he is credited w/ them by Jet fans.

he did elevate our team, we made 2 title games, we hadn't made one since 1998, had only made 2 in our history.

outside of the greats very few QBs carry teams to victory, mark certainly help bring us back a lot though.

 

he's not better than Rivers b/c Rivers gets it done in the reg season BUT if I had to win one game I'd pick Mark b/c Rivers always melts in big games.

But again, you're discrediting any random game we lost where if he played like a high caliber player we might be able to win. He never elevated the team. He did a decent job on a loaded team and played well in the playoffs. He elevated his play in the playoffs. But so did the rest of the team...

I'll take Rivers. He's better. End of story.

[nyjunc]

On 7/21/2017 at 2:57 PM, Sperm Edwards said:

You like to use these little phrases like "yes he could have done more" in an effort to downplay his poor play and then grade him on a curve; a grading curve you hypocritically disallow and dismiss for others. Just saying.

I like to be honest about him, he was HUGE in HELPING us reach 2 title games.  Jet fans act like he was Bubby Brister.  we have a bad habit as a fanbase of bashing those that have done the most for our franchise.

[nyjunc]

On 7/21/2017 at 3:35 PM, Jet Nut said:

Youre the one who points to his win/loss record and who his team beat.

Anyone who goes by their eyes, what they saw out of the QB position when the Jets won knows that they won in spite of Sanchez and would have won even more with a Rivers, etc while you hold to what they did win and your fantasy reasons for those wins.  No one agrees with you but you cant stop repeating that your eyes tell you he was one of the Jets best ever.  Sure he was

Rivers played w/ MUCH more talent around him than Mark ever had and he has ONE title game app(when his BACKUP led the GW TD drive in div rd).  

 

Stop it.  the difference in our 2009 div rd game was at QB, our rookie wasn't phased by the big spot and SD's QB handed us the game.

[nyjunc]

22 hours ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

But again, you're discrediting any random game we lost where if he played like a high caliber player we might be able to win. He never elevated the team. He did a decent job on a loaded team and played well in the playoffs. He elevated his play in the playoffs. But so did the rest of the team...

I'll take Rivers. He's better. End of story.

Is Philip Rivers a better QB? obviously BUT in a big game I would take Mark every time.  Rivers walked into a ready made SB caliber team after having years to sit and learn, he ahd the most talented team in football for about 4-5 years.  He made it as far as a conf title game ONE time and that one time came AFTER he got hurt and his backup led the game winning drive.  I fully believe if Rivers was our QB in 2009/2010 we don't make a single title game. 

as far as elevating the team outside of the playoffs, look at how many late GW drives he led us on so yeah he elevated us.

[Jet Nut]

21 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Rivers played w/ MUCH more talent around him than Mark ever had and he has ONE title game app(when his BACKUP led the GW TD drive in div rd).  

 

Stop it.  the difference in our 2009 div rd game was at QB, our rookie wasn't phased by the big spot and SD's QB handed us the game.

There's isn't a football writer, personnel person, fan etc who would put Sanchez ahead of Rivers.  You seem to believe that the QB gets all the credit or blame for playoffs appearances and you're wrong

Please list the season where Rivers had the best OL, leagues best running game and SD also had the leagues number 1 defense.  

You want to point to a game where Sanchez thew for 100 yards?  Go ahead.  But as you said, stop it.  Don't compare him to real QBs

[Beerfish]

Sanchez and rex got their asses carried to two afc title games by a vet team with a good oline and running game and a great defense that was handed over to rex.  The very moment each of them were asked to carry more of the load they both fell flat on their asses.

Sanchez actually had a bit of a chance to be something but the team baby sat and coddled him for years when what he needed was a swift kick in the ass.

Rex, like his bother is a great D coach, as long as you hand him a D full of pro bowlers before hand.

 

[nyjunc]

45 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

There's isn't a football writer, personnel person, fan etc who would put Sanchez ahead of Rivers.  You seem to believe that the QB gets all the credit or blame for playoffs appearances and you're wrong

Please list the season where Rivers had the best OL, leagues best running game and SD also had the leagues number 1 defense.  

You want to point to a game where Sanchez thew for 100 yards?  Go ahead.  But as you said, stop it.  Don't compare him to real QBs

that's great, you can have Rivers and lose.  

Rivers had the best roster around him from about 2006-2009/2010.  you talk about #1 D? he had the #1 D in a weak division in 2010 and couldn't even make the playoffs.

Mark threw for 100 yds b/c they got a lead(thanks to the great Rivers) and protected it.  he had similar #s to rivers at the time of his last pass(w/o the game changing mistake) but one kept throwing in desperation time and one handed off to run out the clock.  Rivers was the #1 reason we won that game.

Rivers is the most overrated QB in the game but he puts up nice fantasy #s so he fools most fans.

[nyjunc]

44 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Sanchez and rex got their asses carried to two afc title games by a vet team with a good oline and running game and a great defense that was handed over to rex.  The very moment each of them were asked to carry more of the load they both fell flat on their asses.

Sanchez actually had a bit of a chance to be something but the team baby sat and coddled him for years when what he needed was a swift kick in the ass.

Rex, like his bother is a great D coach, as long as you hand him a D full of pro bowlers before hand.

 

so how did Mangini and Favre do w/ the team they handed Rex and mark?  how many title games did they make?

[Jet Nut]

4 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

that's great, you can have Rivers and lose.  

Rivers had the best roster around him from about 2006-2009/2010.  you talk about #1 D? he had the #1 D in a weak division in 2010 and couldn't even make the playoffs.

Mark threw for 100 yds b/c they got a lead(thanks to the great Rivers) and protected it.  he had similar #s to rivers at the time of his last pass(w/o the game changing mistake) but one kept throwing in desperation time and one handed off to run out the clock.  Rivers was the #1 reason we won that game.

Rivers is the most overrated QB in the game but he puts up nice fantasy #s so he fools most fans.

Please stop following me around trying to convince me that Sanchez is better than just about any QB.  

[nyjunc]

3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Please stop following me around trying to convince me that Sanchez is better than just about any QB.  

son, no one is following you.  if you would like to not discuss this w/ me then please stop engaging in discussion w/ me as you are the one who follows me not the other way around.  you can bash one of the most successful QBs in our history while pumping up an underachiever in SD all you want.  you like fantasy #s, it's ok.  most average fans do.  

[Jet Nut]

7 hours ago, nyjunc said:

son, no one is following you.  if you would like to not discuss this w/ me then please stop engaging in discussion w/ me as you are the one who follows me not the other way around.  you can bash one of the most successful QBs in our history while pumping up an underachiever in SD all you want.  you like fantasy #s, it's ok.  most average fans do.  

Ive been pretty clear about this many times.  You are a Sanchez fanboy who goes around arguing with everyone one here, trying to make the ridiculous case that Sanchez was one of the best Jets QBs ever. I dont agree.  No one agrees.  You keep bringing him up and looking to open this dialogue with people who dont want to talk to you.  I was talking to someone else about Chad and you jumped in.  Then brought up Rivers.  

Stop already.  Ive said this to you over and over again, youre just dense or lonely

[JohnJ]

9 hours ago, nyjunc said:

Is Philip Rivers a better QB? obviously BUT in a big game I would take Mark every time.  Rivers walked into a ready made SB caliber team after having years to sit and learn, he ahd the most talented team in football for about 4-5 years.  He made it as far as a conf title game ONE time and that one time came AFTER he got hurt and his backup led the game winning drive.  I fully believe if Rivers was our QB in 2009/2010 we don't make a single title game. 

as far as elevating the team outside of the playoffs, look at how many late GW drives he led us on so yeah he elevated us.

Lol

[nyjunc]

11 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Ive been pretty clear about this many times.  You are a Sanchez fanboy who goes around arguing with everyone one here, trying to make the ridiculous case that Sanchez was one of the best Jets QBs ever. I dont agree.  No one agrees.  You keep bringing him up and looking to open this dialogue with people who dont want to talk to you.  I was talking to someone else about Chad and you jumped in.  Then brought up Rivers.  

Stop already.  Ive said this to you over and over again, youre just dense or lonely

I discuss reality, you get all pissy.  of course Mark is one of our best QBs ever, that says more about our franchise than Mark.  our greatest QB was an average QB the majority of his career.  Jet fans celebrate Ken O'Brien and bash Mark sanchez, it's all nonsense.  

Rivers is a #s guy, a team will never win w/ him.  is he better than mark? of course but I'd rather have a Mark and move on than waste an era w/ an overrated QB like Rivers.

11 hours ago, JohnJ said:

Lol

Mark 4-2 as starting QB in playoffs including beating Rivers on the road when SD was hottest team in the league and had much more talent than we had.

Rivers 4-5 as starting QB in playoffs which includes his only div rd win after getting hurt and his backup coming in and leading GW TD drive.

SD had the most talented team in the league for a few years.  I get it, he puts up meaningless fantasy #s so that impresses fans.  doesn't impress me.

[ScarletKnight89]

18 hours ago, nyjunc said:

Is Philip Rivers a better QB? obviously BUT in a big game I would take Mark every time.  Rivers walked into a ready made SB caliber team after having years to sit and learn, he ahd the most talented team in football for about 4-5 years.  He made it as far as a conf title game ONE time and that one time came AFTER he got hurt and his backup led the game winning drive.  I fully believe if Rivers was our QB in 2009/2010 we don't make a single title game. 

as far as elevating the team outside of the playoffs, look at how many late GW drives he led us on so yeah he elevated us.

Sanchez is probably over criticized by a large portion of this fan base. However, he was the 5th pick in the NFL draft. I'm sorry, but he needed to be a high level player and he wasn't. He wasn't even consistent. He had his moments and played well in the big game, but consistently he couldn't get the job done.

I disagree completely on Rivers. I believe we'd have been just fine with him.

[nyjunc]

Just now, ScarletKnight89 said:

Sanchez is probably over criticized by a large portion of this fan base. However, he was the 5th pick in the NFL draft. I'm sorry, but he needed to be a high level player and he wasn't. He wasn't even consistent. He had his moments and played well in the big game, but consistently he couldn't get the job done.

I disagree completely on Rivers. I believe we'd have been just fine with him.

he certainly was not consistent but he did have a lot of highs for us(and lows).  unfortunately we stripped hi of all the talent around and expected him to get better.

I have watched Rivers for a long time, when he's on he's a HOF caliber QB but he's usually on when his team is down big or the game/moment is meaningless.  In big games and moments he's s small time QB.

[southparkcpa]

16 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

he certainly was not consistent but he did have a lot of highs for us(and lows).  unfortunately we stripped hi of all the talent around and expected him to get better.

I have watched Rivers for a long time, when he's on he's a HOF caliber QB but he's usually on when his team is down big or the game/moment is meaningless.  In big games and moments he's s small time QB.

We agree but you seem to give Tanny a pass. In my view, Tanny was not very astute as a GM with personnel moves . He overpaid flashy players, got pushed around, wasnt tough when need be.

We could have kept Braylon and Cotch for next to nothing and let Holmes walk.  He let Favre out of his deal. 

He , in my view, stripped Sanchez and did not build a team around his basic skill set.