#JetsCamp Updates - Day Three - Mon 07/31/17

[T0mShane]

36 minutes ago, Paradis said:

If hack's made this kind of progress -- AND we've fleeced the roster of vets/talent -- then for fck sakes lets see Hackenberg start 16 games. Fck it.

Lets just do it and be wholly done with it come next offseason... I don't think his performance (outside of a 10-6+ record) will stop us from drafting a top QB next year. May as well know what we have utterly and completely. He may be good enough that the new kid in '18 has to earn his way into a starting role.

Yes.

[T0mShane]

36 minutes ago, RSJ said:

We are three practices away from Tomshane drawing a connection between Hackenberg and Putin


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!!!!!LOL!!!!

 

I've got so much kompromat on Hackenberg it isn't even funny.

[Lupz27]

1 hour ago, Rangers9 said:

I think the key to 2017 will be the defense. It has to be better. It was the key reason for our downfall last season.  Adams looks like he'll be a good player. We no longer have Revis who was a minus on the team last season. There were smaller moves that could add to cohesion and the team for a change playing together on D. We have good players on defense it's a matter of a good game plan and guys who can stay within that game plan. If the team again sucks on defense then you have to blame the head coach who is a D specialist.  I expect McCown to be the Qb starter and if healthy he's a good Qb. Forget about negative losing stats he's mostly been on poorer teams. This team could be a lot like 2015 with a vet Qb who has a good year etc. We don't have Brandon Marshall and only inexperienced receivers. That's a big difference. He was our best player in 2015. But we should get more from the tight end position esp if the new OC decides to use the tight end as a receiver in the offense. 

 

You have to have the worst judgement in QB's I have ever seen in the history of man kind!

[T0mShane]

43 minutes ago, RSJ said:

We are three practices away from Tomshane drawing a connection between Hackenberg and Putin


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Ten minutes later I'm still laughing about this. lol

[Sarge4Tide]

42 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said:

You mean 51 year old Mike D?

Thanks for ruining the visual 

[JoJoTownsell1]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

You pimps can take Blaize Bortles. I'm taking the field.

If you're goal is to be right, then it's a pretty safe bet to fade a second round picks chances of becoming a franchise QB. 

[C Mart]

52 minutes ago, ASH1962 said:

This is great news. Could not ask for better if you ask me. In no way should anyone expect the kid to be perfect, he is, for all intensive purposes, a rookie QB because he was sheltered like a little kid last year - maybe rightfully so, but who really knows. I still say he would have only benefitted from preparing and starting week 17 last season, but what do I know. It is only a couple of days, but doesn't it feel as though the tone of everything surrounding Hackenberg has suddenly changed? No passes hitting reporters in camp eh? LOL. Good for the kid, I am rooting BIG TIME for him to succeed. 

JMO but I don't think 1 game would have done much. I truly believe based on his last 2 yrs at PSU and getting the sh*t kicked out of him they wanted him to take the year off, regroup himself, observe and go to work in the offseason. Now if by chance he lit it up last yr like a Marino then great but I don't think they expected that. He's still so young. 

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

If you're goal is to be right, then it's a pretty safe bet to fade a second round picks chances of becoming a franchise QB. 

Acknowledge that Blaize Bortles is a fire nickname for Hack.

[JoJoTownsell1]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Acknowledge that Blaize Bortles is a fire nickname for Hack.

I think Hack is a fine nickname for Hack as it works for both sides of the argument. 

[sourceworx]

3 hours ago, LionelRichie said:

notice the strategically placed skinny dude to make our tiny linebacker seem larger.  

Hey, how did T0mShane get a press pass? 

[T0mShane]

9 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

I think Hack is a fine nickname for Hack as it works for both sides of the argument. 

You don't want to take your foot off the throat of the people you're debating online. 

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, sourceworx said:

Hey, how did T0mShane get a press pass? 

I'm 6'2, 225 lbs of white chocolate thunder, homeboy.

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, nycdan said:

So tell me.  What has McCown done to deserve the 1st reps all 3 days.  Was it his .300 winning percentage as a starter on...was it 8 teams?   If it was Favre, or even Fitz, I think this would make more sense.  But McCown is roughly the equivalent of an older Kellen Clemens who has somehow managed to survive season to season by catching on at the next team in desperate need of a backup.  Only Bowles doesn't seem to be treating him like a perennial backup. 

 

For me it's more about that than about Hack getting the 1st reps.  if we had anyone with even a modest chance of being a solid veteran, I'd be fine with this, but the very illusion that McCown might start makes me ill.  That's the "we're not even trying" scenario.

 

He's a vet who's has been on the field?  You keep making this into a contest to see who is the starter base on taking the first snap.  Even when they get equal reps.  When he HC said it's meaningless.  Want to keep arguing? 

[Pac]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I'm 6'2, 225 lbs of white chocolate thunder, homeboy.

[Jet Nut]

3 hours ago, flgreen said:

I guess you just don't get it.  It's not just throwing the first ball, it's working with the starters for the whole practice to develop a relationship, getting timing down, to establish a leadership role.  

When vets lose 1st team reps to rookies, they frequently lose their jobs.  I guess your under the opinion that they are just out there playing catch.  They are fighting for their professional careers. 

In camp first team reps mean everything...........Unless they are an establised vet who is being rested.  

No you don't get how ridiculous your point is.  Friggen losing jobs because of a rotation,  this isn't the smartest argument, but you'll keep trying to make a point.  What drivel is this post and the others.  Hack is fighting for his professional career and if McCown get the first snap his career is over.

lol, no on can be this lost

[Pac]

1 hour ago, LionelRichie said:

I will never understand this line of thinking.   The team is in rebuild / tank mode.  You let hack get as many snaps as possible and find out if he's a player or not.   No point in putting him in after the season is 'lost'.  

I don't want to hear any best chance to win bs either.   You know who gives this team the best chance to win?  Decker.  

Because you lose the team the minute you start the lesser option at QB because he's young.

This is a nice little start by Hack - lets hope it continues.  Ideally he matches or outperforms McCown and earns the starting role.

Anointing him the starter because he's 23 is a recipe for disaster.  Just like giving the job to that bearded freak last March was.

[sourceworx]

12 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I'm a 6'2, 225 lbs pile of white dogsh!t, homeboy.

Fixed.

[Lupz27]

3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

He's a vet who's has been on the field?  You keep making this into a contest to see who is the starter base on taking the first snap.  Even when they get equal reps.  When he HC said it's meaningless.  Want to keep arguing? 

It's not about the first snap to me, it's about snaps with the First team O VS the First team D, and in a supposed "OPEN QB COMPETITION" only 1 QB has taken the snaps with the First team, AND has been not very good doing it, Bowles really doesn't understand what a real true QB competition means apparently, how mid practice today with it obvious McCown was struggling, and Hack has been OK, but better does Bowles not think you know what this is a good time to put Hack in with the 1's for a series to see if he can continue to be OK, AND to show McCown your playing like trash you better step it up here.

[nycdan]

8 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

He's a vet who's has been on the field?  You keep making this into a contest to see who is the starter base on taking the first snap.  Even when they get equal reps.  When he HC said it's meaningless.  Want to keep arguing? 

No because clearly you're not looking to discuss...just to argue.  Knock yourself out.

[JohnJ]

9 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I'm 6'2, 225 lbs of white chocolate thunder, homeboy.

Jeez, have a salad once in a while

[mphtrilogy]

It's actually kind of exciting to think Hack could be decent....

[JohnnyLV]

18 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

He's a vet who's has been on the field?  You keep making this into a contest to see who is the starter base on taking the first snap.  Even when they get equal reps.  When he HC said it's meaningless.  Want to keep arguing? 

First reps are with first team offense. It makes a difference simple as that.

[slats]

2 hours ago, Rangers9 said:

I think the key to 2017 will be the defense. It has to be better. It was the key reason for our downfall last season.  Adams looks like he'll be a good player. We no longer have Revis who was a minus on the team last season. There were smaller moves that could add to cohesion and the team for a change playing together on D. We have good players on defense it's a matter of a good game plan and guys who can stay within that game plan. If the team again sucks on defense then you have to blame the head coach who is a D specialist.  I expect McCown to be the Qb starter and if healthy he's a good Qb. Forget about negative losing stats he's mostly been on poorer teams. This team could be a lot like 2015 with a vet Qb who has a good year etc. We don't have Brandon Marshall and only inexperienced receivers. That's a big difference. He was our best player in 2015. But we should get more from the tight end position esp if the new OC decides to use the tight end as a receiver in the offense. 

 

 

That is just an amazing POV. Not surprising, but amazing nonetheless. 

The Jets could field the Bears' 1985 defense but no one would be able to tell if the offense can't stay on the field for more than three plays per drive. The 2015 season was a fluke of easy schedule, those easy opponents being further damaged via injury, and Marshall and Decker both being healthy and bailing their erratic QB out of bad throws consistently. You're never going to see another season like that. Let's not pretend that's some kind of formula. 

This is a team 100% in full rebuild mode. McCown is a placeholder. The sooner he's out of the starting conversation, the better for the future of this franchise. 

[MDL_JET]

Feel like we're gonna from never featuring the TE to them being the leading catchers this year. These WRs are just meh. 

[nycdan]

15 minutes ago, JohnJ said:

Jeez, have a salad once in a while

 

Yes.  Eat your greens with every meal for a healthier diet.

[LionelRichie]

23 minutes ago, Pac said:

Because you lose the team the minute you start the lesser option at QB because he's young.

This is a nice little start by Hack - lets hope it continues.  Ideally he matches or outperforms McCown and earns the starting role.

Anointing him the starter because he's 23 is a recipe for disaster.  Just like giving the job to that bearded freak last March was.

wrong, wrong, wrong.  First, it sounds like mccown is stinking it up in camp so far.   but regardless, If hack's even close to McCown you start the kid.  How is any rookie supposed to "win" the job if they are competing with veterans?   If you think that Hack has potential then you start him and let him take his lumps and learn on the field.   

If you go into the season planning to lost the 3 of the first 4 game with McCown it sends a much worse message to the team.  The players know what's up, it's either hack or a top 10 pick next year.   let's see what hack can do post red-shirt.  

[long suffering jets fan]

1 hour ago, LionelRichie said:

Again, this makes no sense.  

So according to you it's better to go into a season planning to lose than giving a 2nd yr, 2nd rd pick a chance to be the guy?   

Organizations just don't function this way.  

You don't know the outcome is going to be any different with Hack in there.  He may start the season, but I think they'll wait till they get past the Fins before they put him in there, by then the WR, OL, TE will have some experience and will be a better situation for Hack to start his career as a NYJ QB.

[Tinstar]

14 minutes ago, nycdan said:

 

Yes.  Eat your greens with every meal for a healthier diet.

Oh my

[Pac]

just watched a 10 minute interview with seferian-jenkins and the guy is impressive.  he was honest, contrite, and believable.  You can tell if a player is just regurgitating talking points and it does not sound like he is.

we may have a pretty good combination of TE's if Legget lives up to his potential!

Jenkins will be my late round fantasy steal later this month.

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

4 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

when rex was here and sanzhez had organizational issues...they gave him a traffic light.

I wonder what Rex said to all of the OC's he fired?

[PCP63]

Just can't wait to bump my Hack thread and call out all of the people that were anointing him a bust before he ever stepped on the field.

[Tinstar]

3 minutes ago, PCP63 said:

Just can't wait to bump my Hack thread and call out all of the people that were anointing him a bust before he ever stepped on the field.

Please don't 

[Jet Nut]

58 minutes ago, nycdan said:

No because clearly you're not looking to discuss...just to argue.  Knock yourself out.

Thats the whiney way to run from someone who doesn't agree with you.

You should be proud of your debating skills.  But regardless, i dont agree with you in any way shape or form.

[Jet Nut]

49 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

First reps are with first team offense. It makes a difference simple as that.

On the 3rd day of camp youre as wrong as it gets.  Especially after the HC saying its all meaningless and means nothing.  

[Pac]

38 minutes ago, LionelRichie said:

wrong, wrong, wrong.  First, it sounds like mccown is stinking it up in camp so far.   but regardless, If hack's even close to McCown you start the kid.  How is any rookie supposed to "win" the job if they are competing with veterans?   If you think that Hack has potential then you start him and let him take his lumps and learn on the field.   

If you go into the season planning to lost the 3 of the first 4 game with McCown it sends a much worse message to the team.  The players know what's up, it's either hack or a top 10 pick next year.   let's see what hack can do post red-shirt.  

I agree that if Hack is close you start him.

What I don't agree with is you start him if he's not close but has had a couple good practices.  There is no quicker way to destroy chemistry and undermine your leadership than by letting politics, and not performance decide who starts. 

We're less than a year from seeing a team disintegrate due to this very thing.  I'm surprised people want to just start a guy because that's what you "should do".  Didn't we get our fill of that plan with Harry Harvard?