Deshaun Watson Impressing at Texans Camp

[PS17]

It would be so Jets-like for him to go on to be a Hall of Famer.

 

John McClain, Houston Chronicle football writer: "I covered Warren Moon from from Day 1 for 10 years. At his 3rd practice, Watson reminds me of Moon n his first camp in 1984. So smooth!"

"Deshaun is ahead of any rookie quarterback I've ever been around," Texans head coach Bill O'Brien told reporters Tuesday.

"I don't really know how to articulate what I know about him," Clemson head coach Dabo Swinney said in mid-July, via ESPN's Sarah Barshop. "... All those great ones, the Michael Jordans, the Steph Currys, the LeBron Jameses, the Joe Montanas, the Tom Bradys ... there's a uniqueness to them. There's something to them. Yes, you can see talent. But there's this other stuff that you cannot see until you really get around it every day. And that's what he's got."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2725281-deshaun-watsons-impressive-start-leaves-bill-obrien-no-more-excuses

[Greensince69]

I liked Watson and would not have been upset but remember he would still have to play with our weapons and our offensive line.  I don't think he would still look soo smooth.

[Beerfish]

Warren Moon was a 5 or 6 year pro and 5 time Grey cup champ by the time he headed to the NFL.  QB's in general are way ahead of where they once were when going into pro ball.

It is tough to eval guys on stacked teams as Watson was but the thing that made me think he was going to be as good as anyone from this past drat class was that he looked very good to me at the combine in comparison to the other QBs.  I kept hearing how he had a week arm but his throws looked as good as anyone.

In any case I still don;t mind waiting until next year for a QB, I just wish our front office had gotten a few more higher end O prospects this past draft.

[joewilly12]

[Matt39]

"We liked Deshaun quite a bit, but Jamal was the number 1 player on our board and we were surprised he was there."

[dbatesman]

No sh*t

[Bugg]

Safeties,man. Offense?C'mon. Scoring TDs with a great passing attack is overrated. 

[NoBowles]

When is his hall of fame induction?

[Mogglez]

Blaine Gabbert quickly impresses Jaguars in training camp

 

Jacksonville Jaguars rookie quarterback Blaine Gabbert throws a pass Saturday during training camp. By RICK WILSON, The Associated Press

JACKSONVILLE -- Blaine Gabbert's first week of training camp has included impressive throws, nifty runs and deft decisions, making him look more like a regular than a rookie.

It's exactly what the Jacksonville Jaguars expected when they selected the former Missouri quarterback 10th overall in April's NFL draft.

Seeing Gabbert in person has only reinforced Jacksonville's decision. After not being able to get on the field for three months because of the NFL lockout, Gabbert needed just a few days to dazzle coaches, teammates, front office personnel and fans.

Back-shoulder throws, perfectly placed seam passes and scrambling runs have been among Gabbert's highlights.

 

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"He's got a great skill set in terms of arm and size and speed, those things," coach Jack Del Rio said Tuesday. "We think he's got a bright upside. He's got a lot of work to do. He's doing some things now off natural ability, being able to throw the ball that will only get better.

"He's going to get experience, he's going to get time, and at some point, he's going to be a really good player. I think we can all see that."

The Jaguars expect to give Gabbert some work with the first-team offense during the preseason, but Del Rio said nothing he does will change the plan for the franchise's quarterback of the future. Instead, Gabbert will watch and learn from starter David Garrard and third-stringer Luke McCown for at least a season.

"We are in a fortunate situation that we've got two quarterbacks here that we know can play in this league," Del Rio said. "He's not going to get forced into action. ... It may happen around the league. It's happened before. Certainly this is a different year than most, but things like that occur.

"Sometimes guys, the best at their position, they end up playing. But is that a likely scenario? It's not one we envision. It's not one we're looking for at all. In fact, we've said many times over David's our guy and we have a capable backup in Luke and we're going to bring Blaine along."

Garrard, Gabbert and the rest of the Jaguars insist the team's quarterback dynamic is a healthy one, with everyone comfortable in their roles and no one second-guessing any decisions.

"Dave's the starting quarterback," Gabbert said. "He's a heck of a football player. People say he's not, that's wrong. Some of the throws he can make and makes on a daily basis are extremely impressive. ... Although I'm a competitor and I'm going to go out there and play the best I can and play to the best of my ability, David is the starting quarterback of this football team."

Garrard completed 64.5 percent of his passes in 2010, setting a franchise record with 23 touchdowns passes but also throwing a career-high 15 interceptions. He was sacked 33 times, lost four of his 11 fumbles and questioned by people inside and outside the building.

Garrard had some of the best games of his nine-year career, but also endured some of the worst. The Jaguars responded by drafting a quarterback for the first time since 2003.

Gabbert threw 40 touchdown passes and 18 interceptions as a two-year starter at Missouri. He might be in a better position to vie for playing time in Jacksonville had he gone through minicamp, organized team activities and been able to work with assistant coaches all summer. Instead, he might have to wait for his shot.

"Everybody wants to play, but whatever is best for this football team that's what the coaches are going to do," Gabbert said. "You guys give Dave a hard time. He's a hell of a quarterback and it's fun watching him play because the throws he makes very few people in the world can make those. Having that chance to learn from him, watch his footwork, watch how he plays the game, is very valuable to me."

Gabbert might be able to pass along some tips himself.

Coaches and teammates rave about his arm strength, pocket presence, situational awareness and speed. His demeanor, too.

"This is a very good spot for him," cornerback Rashean Mathis said. "He's around a proven veteran that knows how to win games, who's been through the flood as well. He can learn a lot. I know all players coming into the league want to play right away, but I think he has that positive attitude that if this is his year to sit, he's going to soak up as much as he can. His attitude is great and he's in a prime position."

[Mogglez]

Can't believe I had to post that 2 times this week.

[Mogglez]

I didn't even hate Watson.  He was the only QB I would have drafted in the first. However, even with these overreactionary training camp reports, Jamal is the right pick 11 outta 10 times.  

Every prospect next year is leaps and bounds better than Watson was as a NFL prospect anyway.  

[dbatesman]

3 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

I didn't even hate Watson.  He was the only QB I would have drafted in the first. However, even with these overreactionary training camp reports, Jamal is the right pick 11 outta 10 times.  

Every prospect next year is leaps and bounds better than Watson was as a NFL prospect anyway.  

Sounds like you're really not concerned about this, at all

[Warfish]

Water under the bridge, but I wanted us to draft this kid, and I still think he'll become a good solid Pro QB.

[joewilly12]

So what Josh McCown is impressing at Jets camp 

[Mogglez]

43 minutes ago, PS17 said:

It would be so Jets-like for him to go on to be a Hall of Famer.

 

John McClain, Houston Chronicle football writer: "I covered Warren Moon from from Day 1 for 10 years. At his 3rd practice, Watson reminds me of Moon n his first camp in 1984. So smooth!"

"Deshaun is ahead of any rookie quarterback I've ever been around," Texans head coach Bill O'Brien told reporters Tuesday.

"I don't really know how to articulate what I know about him," Clemson head coach Dabo Swinney said in mid-July, via ESPN's Sarah Barshop. "... All those great ones, the Michael Jordans, the Steph Currys, the LeBron Jameses, the Joe Montanas, the Tom Bradys ... there's a uniqueness to them. There's something to them. Yes, you can see talent. But there's this other stuff that you cannot see until you really get around it every day. And that's what he's got."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2725281-deshaun-watsons-impressive-start-leaves-bill-obrien-no-more-excuses

For more fun

Cassel - No

Hoyer - yes, him too.

[Mogglez]

17 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Sounds like you're really not concerned about this, at all

I'm really not.  I love Adams and Watson would not have been the difference between us blowing chunks this year.  It made more sense to roll with what we got, see if Hack is anything, take Adams, and gape ourselves for Darnold/Rosen/Allen/Rudolph/etc.

[Mogglez]

20 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Sounds like you're really not concerned about this, at all

Also, I would have totally been ok with a trade down to draft Watson, but 6 was way too high.

[Bugg]

2 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Also, I would have totally been ok with a trade down to draft Watson, but 6 was way too high.

I would have been okay with Derek Carr, but Calvin Pryor was clearly the better pick, the BPA,big hitter(even though in the NFL rulse that gets very little) accomplished spare 15 yard penalties) stout defense, DE-FENSE, no weapons, weak OL, BLAH, BLAH, FVKCIN' BLAH, WASH RINSE REPEAT, SUCK BALLS AGAIN. 

 

Rant concluded.

[Bugg]

11 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

So what Josh McCown is impressing at Jets camp 

And funding the IRAs of old QBs  on the way out is what the Jets are all about. 

[Mogglez]

11 minutes ago, Bugg said:

I would have been okay with Derek Carr, but Calvin Pryor was clearly the better pick, the BPA,big hitter(even though in the NFL rulse that gets very little) accomplished spare 15 yard penalties) stout defense, DE-FENSE, no weapons, weak OL, BLAH, BLAH, FVKCIN' BLAH, WASH RINSE REPEAT, SUCK BALLS AGAIN. 

 

Rant concluded.

Calvin Pryor, to me, wasn't the better pick. I wanted Carr, Garoppolo, or Bridgewater at #18.  I was emphatic about that and how much I hated the Pryor pick.  Arguing with the wrong guy on that one.

The two situations aren't remotely the same with Adams, who was the consensus best player in the entire draft. Especially when you factor in the fact that 2013 was considered a strong QB class and last year was considered one of the worst in recent memory.

[Bugg]

4 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Calvin Pryor, to me, wasn't the better pick. I wanted Carr, Garoppolo, or Bridgewater at #18.  I was emphatic about that and how much I hated the Pryor pick.  Arguing with the wrong guy on that one.

The two situations aren't remotely the same with Adams, who was the consensus best player in the entire draft.

Problem is this franchise wastes high picks on defense without a 2nd thought. They cannot ever pick a QB because...? They have done so at exactly the time when the rules makes defense less important and passing offense very important. Further in economic terms, the opportunity cost is you can get someone as good as a great safety in later rounds, not so much with a QB. The marginal utility of any defender is less than that of a QB.

In short, can we ever pick a decent QB? Why is there always a reason not to, but no so with a DB or DL guy? 

[Tinstar]

4 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Calvin Pryor, to me, wasn't the better pick. I wanted Carr, Garoppolo, or Bridgewater at #18.  I was emphatic about that and how much I hated the Pryor pick.  Arguing with the wrong guy on that one.

The two situations aren't remotely the same with Adams, who was the consensus best player in the entire draft.

Jets should have drafted Bridgewater, and even if they were hell bent on not taking a QB, they should have drafted Cooks the WR from Oregon State who is now catching passes from Junior cheat .

[Mogglez]

4 hours ago, Bugg said:

Problem is this franchise wastes high picks on defense without a 2nd thought. They cannot ever pick a QB because...? They have done so at exactly the time when the rules makes defense less important and passing offense very important. Further in economic terms, the opportunity cost is you can get someone as good as a great safety in later rounds, not so much with a QB. The marginal utility of any defender is less than that of a QB.

In short, can we ever pick a decent QB? Why is there always a reason not to, but no so with a DB or DL guy? 

Just edited to clarify a bit more but I doubt it made it in on time. 

My whole issue, again, with picking a QB last year is that a.) Because of the investment, we needed to see what Hack could do, b.) The consensus on Watson's QB class was that it was very weak c.) Adding on to point b.) picking one would mean that we'd have to invest at least 3 years into him and none of those guys, to me we're going to really be "game changers" and those are the types of QBs you grab in the top 10.  If we were going to likely suck this year, rookie or no rookie, there was no point in wasting the pick on a QB when the best player in the draft is somehow, again, staring you in the face.  Adams + Darnold/Rosen/Rudolph/Allen/etc. is a dream come true for a team in the middle of a rebuild.  If our Hack gamble somehow pays off and we can go elsewhere next year with Adams and our franchise QB, it's even better.  

The thing is, we had to draft with long term in mind.  With no sure thing in this draft at the QB position, but plenty of those types next year, Adams was the way to go.  It's tiresome but we as fans have to be patient right now. If Hack fails, next year we'll likely finally go get our guy and do so in a great crop of prospects.  

[bostonmajet]

eh; he might turn out to be the next coming of a great, but lets face it, if this was the Jets we would be hearing how bad he it.

All I am saying is that most team's reporters always report the best; our beat writers like to post the worst. He could be having a great training camp, or it is all hype and fluff. Why don't we watch him in action for a game or two before we get all worked up.

[JohnnyLV]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Water under the bridge, but I wanted us to draft this kid, and I still think he'll become a good solid Pro QB.

I think he will ultimately be a  bust. He went to the best situation in the NFL and I think he will be one of those guys that looks good first year and then defenses catch up to him and he tails off. I have never thought NFL QB when watching the guy.

[fltflo]

Sorry guys Watson was the pick at 6. Like the man said he has intangibles that are not apparent at first. All he did at Clemson was win. You can't teach that,and all the goods ones have it.
I am happy with Adams and think he will be a great player for us. Yet, we didn't need to take another D player with the first pick AGAIN.
You can take it to the bank McCown will have his best year as a pro and we will win just enough games to not have a shot at any of the young guns coming out next year. Typically J.E.T.S !!!!!


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[j4jets]

3 hours ago, Mogglez said:

Blaine Gabbert quickly impresses Jaguars in training camp

 

Jacksonville Jaguars rookie quarterback Blaine Gabbert throws a pass Saturday during training camp. By RICK WILSON, The Associated Press

JACKSONVILLE -- Blaine Gabbert's first week of training camp has included impressive throws, nifty runs and deft decisions, making him look more like a regular than a rookie.

It's exactly what the Jacksonville Jaguars expected when they selected the former Missouri quarterback 10th overall in April's NFL draft.

Seeing Gabbert in person has only reinforced Jacksonville's decision. After not being able to get on the field for three months because of the NFL lockout, Gabbert needed just a few days to dazzle coaches, teammates, front office personnel and fans.

Back-shoulder throws, perfectly placed seam passes and scrambling runs have been among Gabbert's highlights.

 

---

"He's got a great skill set in terms of arm and size and speed, those things," coach Jack Del Rio said Tuesday. "We think he's got a bright upside. He's got a lot of work to do. He's doing some things now off natural ability, being able to throw the ball that will only get better.

"He's going to get experience, he's going to get time, and at some point, he's going to be a really good player. I think we can all see that."

The Jaguars expect to give Gabbert some work with the first-team offense during the preseason, but Del Rio said nothing he does will change the plan for the franchise's quarterback of the future. Instead, Gabbert will watch and learn from starter David Garrard and third-stringer Luke McCown for at least a season.

"We are in a fortunate situation that we've got two quarterbacks here that we know can play in this league," Del Rio said. "He's not going to get forced into action. ... It may happen around the league. It's happened before. Certainly this is a different year than most, but things like that occur.

"Sometimes guys, the best at their position, they end up playing. But is that a likely scenario? It's not one we envision. It's not one we're looking for at all. In fact, we've said many times over David's our guy and we have a capable backup in Luke and we're going to bring Blaine along."

Garrard, Gabbert and the rest of the Jaguars insist the team's quarterback dynamic is a healthy one, with everyone comfortable in their roles and no one second-guessing any decisions.

"Dave's the starting quarterback," Gabbert said. "He's a heck of a football player. People say he's not, that's wrong. Some of the throws he can make and makes on a daily basis are extremely impressive. ... Although I'm a competitor and I'm going to go out there and play the best I can and play to the best of my ability, David is the starting quarterback of this football team."

Garrard completed 64.5 percent of his passes in 2010, setting a franchise record with 23 touchdowns passes but also throwing a career-high 15 interceptions. He was sacked 33 times, lost four of his 11 fumbles and questioned by people inside and outside the building.

Garrard had some of the best games of his nine-year career, but also endured some of the worst. The Jaguars responded by drafting a quarterback for the first time since 2003.

Gabbert threw 40 touchdown passes and 18 interceptions as a two-year starter at Missouri. He might be in a better position to vie for playing time in Jacksonville had he gone through minicamp, organized team activities and been able to work with assistant coaches all summer. Instead, he might have to wait for his shot.

"Everybody wants to play, but whatever is best for this football team that's what the coaches are going to do," Gabbert said. "You guys give Dave a hard time. He's a hell of a quarterback and it's fun watching him play because the throws he makes very few people in the world can make those. Having that chance to learn from him, watch his footwork, watch how he plays the game, is very valuable to me."

Gabbert might be able to pass along some tips himself.

Coaches and teammates rave about his arm strength, pocket presence, situational awareness and speed. His demeanor, too.

"This is a very good spot for him," cornerback Rashean Mathis said. "He's around a proven veteran that knows how to win games, who's been through the flood as well. He can learn a lot. I know all players coming into the league want to play right away, but I think he has that positive attitude that if this is his year to sit, he's going to soak up as much as he can. His attitude is great and he's in a prime position."

Still better than any QB Mac has ever drafted. 

[T0mShane]

The choice wasn't between Watson or Adams. It was between Watson or Darnold/Rosen/Allen, etc. If they took Watson this year, it would preclude them from drafting the QB next year, and Watson's skill set wasn't good enough to justify that gamble, imo.

[joewilly12]

Just now, T0mShane said:

The choice wasn't between Watson or Adams. It was between Watson or Darnold/Rosen/Allen, etc. If they took Watson this year, it would preclude them from drafting the QB next year, and Watson's skill set wasn't good enough to justify that gamble, imo.

Nothing is guaranteed next year what was guaranteed was Watson could have been a NY Jet he was on the board when the Jets picked at 6. 

[Mogglez]

13 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The choice wasn't between Watson or Adams. It was between Watson or Darnold/Rosen/Allen, etc. If they took Watson this year, it would preclude them from drafting the QB next year, and Watson's skill set wasn't good enough to justify that gamble, imo.

Holy sh*t, we agree on something.

 

 

 

Kiss me.

12 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Nothing is guaranteed next year what was guaranteed was Watson could have been a NY Jet he was on the board when the Jets picked at 6. 

The only way we miss out on a franchise QB next year is by, literally, not having a first round draft pick.

[Tony MaC]

26 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The choice wasn't between Watson or Adams. It was between Watson or Darnold/Rosen/Allen, etc. If they took Watson this year, it would preclude them from drafting the QB next year, and Watson's skill set wasn't good enough to justify that gamble, imo.

The choice was the best player available. That was Adams, and here we are.

 

Watching Jets fans bitch about players who aren't on the team is tiresome, let alone when its a few days into that players career. I have no clue how Watson or Mahomes or Cook or Howard or any other player turns out, but I do know one thing; we will always miss out on good players because we cant draft them all. The only thing we can do is make good picks at logical times during the draft.

Adams and Maye were logical picks at #6 and #39 at the time of drafting them. Instead of focusing on what some other player is doing we should be focusing on their success or lack their of. I'm not gonna fret over some other prospect doing well, because that's always going to happen.

 

And frankly whether they do well or not neither Mahomes or Watson were cant miss anyway, not over a guy some billed as the next Dawkins. Get over it.

 

 

[NoBowles]

26 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The choice wasn't between Watson or Adams. It was between Watson or Darnold/Rosen/Allen, etc. If they took Watson this year, it would preclude them from drafting the QB next year, and Watson's skill set wasn't good enough to justify that gamble, imo.

I wish we saw more of this T0mShane

[joewilly12]

14 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Holy sh*t, we agree on something.

 

 

 

Kiss me.

The only way we miss out on a franchise QB next year is by, literally, not having a first round draft pick.

So the Jets finish 4-12,5-11 0r 6-10 they guaranteed to get 1 of the top QB's? 

[Tony MaC]

Come to think of it the whole argument is that a B+ QB prospect is more valuable to our team than an A+ prospect at any other position (minus kickers and sh*t, you know what I mean). I cannot agree with that, but I guess some fans desperate for anything at QB wouldn't mind seeing that.

I think that's the mentality the Rams and Bears had when they made their trades. We'll see how that works for them- only time will tell. But frankly I'm more than fine passing on a good not cant miss QB prospect because there was a better guy at another major position of need. If the Browns of all teams didn't think it was necessary to pass on a best in his position player in the top 10 to supposedly fill a need at QB why should we?

lets play it safe and not be desperate in the first round, I think we'll be happy with the returns.

[NoBowles]

6 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

So the Jets finish 4-12,5-11 0r 6-10 they guaranteed to get 1 of the top QB's? 

If a tree falls in the Forrest, but your not there to hear it, did it make a sound?