JoJoTownsell1 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 8 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Batshlt women that the police didn't take seriously? When was this? From profootballtalk: Via Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports, the report contains a text-message exchange in which Thompson discusses with a friend the idea of selling sex tapes of herself and Elliott. At one point, the friend says, “[W]e could blackmail him w[ith] that.” Says Thompson in response: “I want to bro.” Thompson also admitted to registering an email address with the title “ezekielelliot sex vids.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 32 minutes ago, shawn306 said: The NFLPA has ALWAYS caved and will again. I've agreed with that position for years, but this time I think the players are far more united and emboldened. I am not saying they will get the Owners to cave on all of their demands but they will certainly negotiate a better deal....better, not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 44 minutes ago, shawn306 said: The NFLPA has ALWAYS caved and will again. Could be different this time. Tagliabue and Rozelle were strong commissioners. Goodell is a soup sandwich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 12 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: I've agreed with that position for years, but this time I think the players are far more united and emboldened. I am not saying they will get the Owners to cave on all of their demands but they will certainly negotiate a better deal....better, not good. The NFL players are seeing JAGs getting $80 million guaranteed contracts in the NBA and MLB. They will be out for blood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I think you guys have it all wrong; the whole purpose of this is to cover up for the fact that the players association is planning on a short season in 2021 because Brady will be 44 and they want to give him a chance to win another SB. You know, at 44, he likely can't play a full season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 15 hours ago, slats said: I'll be living in Mexico, not giving a crap. I look forward to it. Andy Dufresne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 9 minutes ago, EM31 said: Andy Dufresne? Being a Jets fan is the being raped in prison and the crawling through 500 yards of sewer part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 3 hours ago, shawn306 said: The NFLPA has ALWAYS caved and will again. Of course they will. Most careers last 6-8 years. A player who is just off his rookie contract at 28 YO sure doesn't want to sit out a prime multi million dollar year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 14 hours ago, Dunnie said: player safety ... the game is dangerous .... that's why they are paid ludicrous amounts of money. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Yep, The dangerous high speed collisions are the reason people watch. When the NFl takes all the violence out of football, there won't be very many fans. The Chess World Cup 2017 is in 2 weeks. How many people are going to not watch NFL to catch it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 DeMaurice Smith is one of the worst NFLPA heads to ever hold the position. He's had his *ss handed to him in every negotiation. His genius plan to negotiate the last CBA for maximum money and then attempt to sue on a bunch of other issues completely and utterly crapped the bed. Now he's going to lead the players into an unpopular holdout (oh, sorry, "Lockout") which will have the players cave much harder than before based on pipe dreams of NBA/MLB contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Dont know what anyone expected the NFLPA to say. "Hey, no matter what you pull off the table or whatever changes we want that you ignore, we'll never strike." Putting the idea in the owners heads is exactly what any union should do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greensince69 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 3 hours ago, thadude said: The NFL players are seeing JAGs getting $80 million guaranteed contracts in the NBA and MLB. They will be out for blood They can be out for whatever they want, different sports different pay structures. If they want that be a jag in the NBA. Only 11 players and 80 games to make money plus lots more games on tv. They will also not ever get guaranteed contracts unless all contracts are capped at 2 years. With the rate of injuries you have 5 - 10 players injured and under 5 - 7 year contracts and you will soon be bankrupt. If the players think long term healthcare and pensions are important push for a 5% contribution of their salaries and a matching 5% by the owners to fund it. I would bet their greed will speak louder than their conviction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 14 hours ago, thadude said: Yeah those potheads like Josh Gordon and Aldon Smith are a real menace 2 society Oh yeah because that's all Aldon Smith has ever done. He's a shining beacon of innocence who is just being targeted by the big bad NFL for smoking the Devil's Lettuce: Poor Aldon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Funny thing about the brinkmanship and all the idiotic posturing on both sides of the table is that in almost every case you could write down what the agreement will be at the beginning of the negotiation and be about 95% correct. But the lawyers will sue to end the anti-trust exemption. DSmith and Goodell will call each other names for 6 months, storm out of meetings, issue inflammatory statements, some really rich veteran will become the voice of the veterans against the evil owner, and at some point, likely at the last possible timeframe to get TC in, one of the name owners like Kraft or Jones, Mara or Rooney will get everyone together and they will all have this amazing bonding session fueled by the losses of millions of dollars and come to an "agreement in principle" likely almost exactly like you knew it would be at the beginning. I suspect in the next go-around Players will get some easing of the franchise tag rules The player conduct policy will be better defined but the commissioner will be in charge Salary cap will stay and overall revenue sharing will stay at largely same percentage, but there might be some sort of QB salary cap adjustment or discounted cap hit for QBs to allow for more money for other players and keep QBs with their teams Rosters may be expanded by a couple The NFL will NEVER have guaranteed contracts. It could never work. Enough of the smaller market teams would never agree to a non salary cap structure in the NFL either. But we will hear literally years of useless rhetoric threats and melodrama before they all sign on the ling that is dotted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 45 minutes ago, Greensince69 said: They can be out for whatever they want, different sports different pay structures. If they want that be a jag in the NBA. Only 11 players and 80 games to make money plus lots more games on tv. They will also not ever get guaranteed contracts unless all contracts are capped at 2 years. With the rate of injuries you have 5 - 10 players injured and under 5 - 7 year contracts and you will soon be bankrupt. If the players think long term healthcare and pensions are important push for a 5% contribution of their salaries and a matching 5% by the owners to fund it. I would bet their greed will speak louder than their conviction. Fun fact: NFL League revenue 2016: $13 Billion NBA League Revenue 2016: $8 billion MLB Revenue 2016: $9 billion And in regards to your point about the NFL rosters having more players yes but NBA and MLB have minor leagues they also have to pay for that have hundreds of players on salary NFL players are getting screwed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 ... he' wirey ... bring it onSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greensince69 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 1 hour ago, thadude said: Fun fact: NFL League revenue 2016: $13 Billion NBA League Revenue 2016: $8 billion MLB Revenue 2016: $9 billion And in regards to your point about the NFL rosters having more players yes but NBA and MLB have minor leagues they also have to pay for that have hundreds of players on salary NFL players are getting screwed Screw me like that baby, I am sorry the avg salary is "Only" 2.1 mill a year Some more fun facts NFL Players salary per game 131,200 NBA 62,500 MLB 27,500 If NFL plays avg was at NBA or MLB the total salary cost would be 8 - 10 billion, yea the owners are going to give that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 18 hours ago, thadude said: Yeah those potheads like Josh Gordon and Aldon Smith are a real menace 2 society Yes, because when I say "rapists, thugs, wife beaters, drug addicts" I REALLY mean those guys who toke a joint once in a while. Yep, you really exposed me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 17 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: The NFLPA represents their players. Their players come from bad neighborhoods and are coached up to be "killers" on the field. To blame the NFLPA for doing their job is ludicrous. Do you blame lawyers that represent murders and rapists? Should the NFLPA come out in defense of some batsh!t women that the police didn't take seriously enough to press chargers? And now you know why Unions can go to hell and burn. They are a unique form of evil all their own who do little to nothing for the good, and everything for the bad, among their membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 18 hours ago, thadude said: If Goodell is still the commissioner in 2021 this is absolutely going to happen. He has no idea how to handle this effectively. Stephen Bannon is available .. .. is he worse ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 5 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Dont know what anyone expected the NFLPA to say. "Hey, no matter what you pull off the table or whatever changes we want that you ignore, we'll never strike." Putting the idea in the owners heads is exactly what any union should do However, the other side would know this is posturing and won't believe it so you end up making your negotiation harder because they now can't be sure they can believe your words. It doesn't put the idea in the owners heads. I'd imagine this is more likely a statement for the players/fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 22 hours ago, jetscrazey said: Let them strike, or lock out. Players take all the risk and are subject to ridiculous policies under the current CBA. Medical marijuana? No, that's dangerous. Here, take another heap of percocets instead.... Player safety? Yeah, we take that seriously. Now how about we add 2 more games to the schedule... Exactly right. And people are upset at Revis for "being greedy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Of all the leagues to not have guaranteed contracts the NFL seems like the worst choice (considering the injury risk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 26 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Exactly right. And people are upset at Revis for "being greedy". By people you mean some Jet fans. Football fans think he played his hand right and maximized his earnings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Maybe the most interesting proposal to change the game would be to get rid of helmets. It would definitely be a transition to watch that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Worst union ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 4 hours ago, Greensince69 said: Screw me like that baby, I am sorry the avg salary is "Only" 2.1 mill a year Some more fun facts NFL Players salary per game 131,200 NBA 62,500 MLB 27,500 If NFL plays avg was at NBA or MLB the total salary cost would be 8 - 10 billion, yea the owners are going to give that up. One NFL Game is equivalent to ten Baseball games and two Basketball games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 I can see it now... HC Jim Harbaugh will have us at 8-1 and a virtual lock for home field advantage and then *WHAM* strike-shortened season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 56 minutes ago, Jetdawgg said: One NFL Game is equivalent to ten Baseball games and two Basketball games Baseball has guaranteed contracts. Plus you can play a lot longer and there are specialists (e.g. 3rd string catcher, LH relief pitcher who faces only lefties). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 On 8/17/2017 at 6:30 PM, Scott Dierking said: They will lose total public sentiment and sympathy making these comments this early in negotiations. I am sure they have some real issues that need to be tackled, including healthcare, pensions and player safety. But those can be bargained outside of the press, unless there is a stalemate approaching contract deadline. They are not close to that point right now. yes. i'm sure they can always find some nitpicky thing they want more of but they are already getting over 50% of the nfl gross. some teams have circumvented this by getting money outside of the league. i have no idea how they are going to make the game less dangerous unless they want to put flags on their belts and eliminate tackles. they've already gotten rid of most of the pads on practices. and the bottom line is the slary cap has been grown pretty substantially since the new cba. ultimately it all comes down to money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 The owners took the NFLPA to the cleaners last time around. This isn't surprising at all and is 100% true. NFL players are watching garbage nobodies from the NBA make 16 million a year while Goodell suspends players because it's that time of the month for him. They should strike.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 This is a good excuse to give up my season tickets . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Is it 2021 yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 The problem with all the strike talk from the union side is they have no concrete goals that would get the players to buy into the idea. They just randomly throw out taling points based on whatever story of the day a bigger name reporter helped get hot. We need guaranteed contracts is the story one week. Another week its that the NBA players make too much. Another week its player safety. This week its the commissioners power. THE NFL is made up of roughly 2100 players. The vast majority of those players play at the minimum. The vast majority have careers that won't go longer than 2 years. Rookies lose millions in potential earnings because they agree to these long contract structures but they didnt care about those guys because they arent in the union yet. They changed rules regarding the salary cap that has led to teams eliminating signing bonuses to make it far easier to cut players. And their current leadership, with basically no knowledge of the game, agreed to a 10 year deal the last go around. No other deal was ever that long. They were basically working agreements that would continue to be tweaked and extended. A 10 year deal that nobody even had a chance to read because the players needed to get to work and they waited far too long to negotiate on those players behalf. You'll be luck to get 1/20th of the league to agree to strike if they continue to run this the same way and follow the same plan as last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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