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12 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Carr wasnt a first round pick, made no sense then.  He was a 2nd round pick, not a first. 

 Mahomes was a late chart climber ala Lynch, another QB we passed on who the board went crazy over when we did.  Elway knew better we heard over and over.  More than Macc.  Lynch will never be what Elway thought apparently, who knows.

Good to know this season will be like last season when all we heard was how dumb Macc was for passing on Lynch.  WTF does Macc know compared to Elway.  Fans here automatically root for the player who went somewhere else.  

 

A moot point with Carr, we could have used our 1st on him. Having the previous GM's QB crush on Geno prevented that. 

Andy Reid puts decent Offences on the field. Mahomes is Smiths replacment. Our current GM's QB crush is on the team. I think we all know what's happening this year, but it does not make it better having to sit through it.

I think Macc is ok, he's brought in a lot of players through draft and UDFA. The poor yield from Idzik put us in the hole. He's made two mistakes, Hack and Devin Smith. I'd like to have seen some more Oline help. I was not keen on the two Safeties in 1and 2. We need to stop neglecting the O.

 

 

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44 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said:

A moot point with Carr, we could have used our 1st on him. Having the previous GM's QB crush on Geno prevented that. 

Andy Reid puts decent Offences on the field. Mahomes is Smiths replacment. Our current GM's QB crush is on the team. I think we all know what's happening this year, but it does not make it better having to sit through it.

I think Macc is ok, he's brought in a lot of players through draft and UDFA. The poor yield from Idzik put us in the hole. He's made two mistakes, Hack and Devin Smith. I'd like to have seen some more Oline help. I was not keen on the two Safeties in 1and 2. We need to stop neglecting the O.

 

 

Based on what I'm seeing when I watch the Jets, I think 2018 will be all about the offense. I'd love to finally see an offensive draft all the way through & a couple of offensive young stud vets with that 80/85 million in free agency dollars we have to spend.

One thing you can't blame GMs for is players that get injured unless they had a long history of injuries like Milliner. Devin Smith was just bad luck. Macc had to draft WRs because Idzik completely whiffed when he easily could have taken Jarvis Landry who I wanted him to. So then our only WR worth a sh*t gets hurt in Q, and this is what you end up with.

Silver lining is Stewart & Hansen should be able to get some reps in 2017. Jets need a 2018 draft to return them to their 80s offenses. Anderson looks to be a Wesley Walker, Let's hope Stewart or Hansen can become Al Toonish, Q comes back 🙏, draft our Freeman McNeil, Bunch of Ilineman & steal a stud Olineman in free agency.

i think our defense is going to be very good.

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4 hours ago, redlichtie said:

It's not Woody, Bowles, Maccagnan or the team that make being a Jet fan so hard....it's other Jets 'fans'

Waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh... Waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh...

I hate that other fans are unhappy that the Jets are looking like the least talented team in the NFL with little promising young talent, and essentially none at any position that matters...

Here's a thought...

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16 hours ago, David Harris said:

I mean we can't be sold on Mahomes yet. And if this tank works and we get an Andrew Luck prospect than it's all worth it.

But yeah a starting QB and an offensive weapon in Cook look much more needed than a safety pair.

Maye looks good at least and Adams I think is destined to be elite so if we end up with our QB next draft it'd be a nice core.

Mahomes also has Andy Reid as a coach. He knows a little bit about the QB position.

Hack and Petty have Bowles.

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1 hour ago, gEYno said:

Waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh... Waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh...

I hate that other fans are unhappy that the Jets are looking like the least talented team in the NFL with little promising young talent, and essentially none at any position that matters...

Here's a thought...

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The Jets have a TON of young promising talent the problem is none of them play offense, specifically QB.  If you go 4-12 with Carr throwing to Cooper like the 2015 Raiders did at least your watching something exciting while enduring a losing season, how excited are you gonna get when Leo blows up a run play for -2 yards in the 3rd quarter down 24-3?  Or how excited will you get when Adams diagnosis a WR screen pass, and blows it up for -5 yards in the same scenario?  The answer your not gonna get excited.  BUT if you have a young QB gunning the ball all over the place to a hot shot WR, and you see the light coming on alla the 2015 Raiders, that would get me excited even thou the record isn't good, offense puts fans in the seats, makes fans excited, something Mahomes, or even McCafferey for that matter would have done, and something Cook, or Mixon would have done instead of Maye.

The offense is completely stripped of ANY star talent, nothing!  I can't remember a Jets team that didn't have at least 1 guy you could say well he is pretty good, and even then mid 2006-2007 (last time I can remember having this little at the skill position)we had a top O-line in the making, and even the average fan could see it, or was being told it by others.  There is nothing, and I mean zero, next year it's start from expansion level scrap, the only silver lining is the possibility of getting a Sam Darnold, and 80 million to spend, but there is no guarantee either will happen to work out.

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4 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

Lol, I decided that in October.  And if you want to know what I really would have done on draft day is tried to call the Panthers, and scare the sh*t out of them that someone called from 9-12 looking to move up to get McCafferry because everyone, and their mother knew they were taking him, wanted him, and probably would have gave you a 3rd to swap 6 to 8, then grab Mahomes, and have an extra 3rd to build around him.

Good for you.  You're a genius 

Got to love the idea that you actually think you're right, that he's a franchise QB, guaranteed.

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15 hours ago, Jack Straw said:

Patrick Mahomes is the guy who will haunt us for years. He's light years ahead of Hackenberg.

And light years behind Darnold.

You can't compare him to Hackenberg, they didn't not draft Watson/Mahomes because of Hackenberg.

They didn't draft him because next year is the best QB prospect draft in 15 years

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1 minute ago, Obrien2Toon said:

And light years behind Darnold.

You can't compare him to Hackenberg, they didn't not draft Watson/Mahomes because of Hackenberg.

They didn't draft him because next year is the best QB prospect draft in 15 years

The only people who think that Sam Darnold is the best QB prospect in 15 years are you and Sam's mother.

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4 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

As much as my Mahomes trolling is pissing people off, and saying it's to early to declare him a franchise QB, then it's fair to say it's to early to definitively declare what the Chiefs gave up for him to make no sense.  If he wins them 1 Super Bowl in the next 15 years it was worth it period.

Cute, except I didn't say anything about where the Chiefs took him, just that he climbed late and that there is no proof that he is or will be a franchise QB. 

Youre in love, in a Sanchez like way some had years ago.

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3 minutes ago, Obrien2Toon said:

And light years behind Darnold.

You can't compare him to Hackenberg, they didn't not draft Watson/Mahomes because of Hackenberg.

They didn't draft him because next year is the best QB prospect draft in 15 years

I believe this to be true

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4 hours ago, BurnleyJet said:

A moot point with Carr, we could have used our 1st on him. Having the previous GM's QB crush on Geno prevented that. 

Andy Reid puts decent Offences on the field. Mahomes is Smiths replacment. Our current GM's QB crush is on the team. I think we all know what's happening this year, but it does not make it better having to sit through it.

I think Macc is ok, he's brought in a lot of players through draft and UDFA. The poor yield from Idzik put us in the hole. He's made two mistakes, Hack and Devin Smith. I'd like to have seen some more Oline help. I was not keen on the two Safeties in 1and 2. We need to stop neglecting the O.

 

 

No one was taking Carr in the first.  It's moot if you ignore the draft and use what he is today as your guide.  

Mahomes doesn't get picked in the first or lower if he came out next season.  

How good someone ultimately becomes is irrelevant.  Like saying Marino should have gone 1st, Brady should have gone 1st not in the 6th round.

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2 hours ago, gEYno said:

^

Doesn't see the irony.

Yes I do, you're a whiney fan.  And are easily confused.  

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I've been loud since April that we missed a golden opportunity by passing on something special with a Deshaun Watson - Dalvin Cook duo in place for the 2 safeties.  If we could re-do things, how many ppl would take a Watson/Mahomes and Cook combo over our two safeties?

2nd question: should Macc be shown the door for passing on the above duo for two safeties and a piss poor "qb of the future" prospect that most avg fans posting here knew would never amount to crap as an NFL passer?

 

 

I've been saying it since april ... deshaun watson is nothing to write home about ... maholmes is a poor man's favre ... yikes.

 

the two safeties we picked up will be really good solid players for the next 10 years.

 

i'll take my chances on darnold , allen , or rosen thank you.

 

When you go to the car dealership and you know a new model with an engine twice as good will be available next year ... do you buy this years model ??? i don't.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

Sam Darnold isn't anywhere near the prospect that Andrew Luck was.

I actually misread his post.  I was speaking to the draft class of QBs being the best since 83.  Praying that we dont pick the Blackledge out of the group...

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17 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

The only people who think that Sam Darnold is the best QB prospect in 15 years are you and Sam's mother.

Didn't say he's the best in 15 years, everyone says he's the best since Luck.

Everybody also says the CLASS as a whole is the best in 15 years

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2 minutes ago, Obrien2Toon said:

Didn't say he's the best in 15 years, everyone says he's the best since Luck.

Everybody also says the CLASS as a whole is the best in 15 years

This is the best QB class since 1999 (Akili Smith, Tim Couch, Cade McNown).

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21 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Yes I do, you're a whiney fan.  And are easily confused.  

^

Still doesn't get it.

sg3! sg3! sg3!

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1 hour ago, Lupz27 said:

The Jets have a TON of young promising talent the problem is none of them play offense, specifically QB.  If you go 4-12 with Carr throwing to Cooper like the 2015 Raiders did at least your watching something exciting while enduring a losing season, how excited are you gonna get when Leo blows up a run play for -2 yards in the 3rd quarter down 24-3?  Or how excited will you get when Adams diagnosis a WR screen pass, and blows it up for -5 yards in the same scenario?  The answer your not gonna get excited.  BUT if you have a young QB gunning the ball all over the place to a hot shot WR, and you see the light coming on alla the 2015 Raiders, that would get me excited even thou the record isn't good, offense puts fans in the seats, makes fans excited, something Mahomes, or even McCafferey for that matter would have done, and something Cook, or Mixon would have done instead of Maye.

The offense is completely stripped of ANY star talent, nothing!  I can't remember a Jets team that didn't have at least 1 guy you could say well he is pretty good, and even then mid 2006-2007 (last time I can remember having this little at the skill position)we had a top O-line in the making, and even the average fan could see it, or was being told it by others.  There is nothing, and I mean zero, next year it's start from expansion level scrap, the only silver lining is the possibility of getting a Sam Darnold, and 80 million to spend, but there is no guarantee either will happen to work out.

The defense has, at most, 4 promising young players, and that's being absurdly optimistic/generous, with Leo being the only one we can be confident about.  It has two talented veterans, one of which will likely be gone after next year.  Still, none of these players are pass-rushers, and none are CBs.

The offense, we agree, is dreadful.

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46 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

No one was taking Carr in the first.  It's moot if you ignore the draft and use what he is today as your guide.  

Mahomes doesn't get picked in the first or lower if he came out next season.  

How good someone ultimately becomes is irrelevant.  Like saying Marino should have gone 1st, Brady should have gone 1st not in the 6th round.

At the time he was a very good prospect, his surname put people off. I actually wanted us to take Bridgewater.  It was a true home run Draft for the Raiders. All Pro Edge rusher, and Franchise QB in round 2.

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16 hours ago, Jack Straw said:

I still don't understand why our two most recent GMs decided to risk their careers by going all-in on two highly-flawed QBs. If you're going to stake your name on a QB, go big or go home. 

Some times these guys out smart themselves, trying to look smarter than every one else... 

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4 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said:

At the time he was a very good prospect, his surname put people off. I actually wanted us to take Bridgewater.  It was a true home run Draft for the Raiders. All Pro Edge rusher, and Franchise QB in round 2.

Admittedly I didn't want Carr. However, I was standing on the table for Bridgewater. The only reason for not drafting Bridgewater is that our GM had committed resources to Geno...

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1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

Good for you.  You're a genius 

Got to love the idea that you actually think you're right, that he's a franchise QB, guaranteed.

I've been right about him every step of the way, and it's gonna suck balls when he proves to be a franchise QB for another team.

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Mahones will be the one that got away fo sho. 

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb move passing on him for a safety. 

If watson turns out to be a stud, were double losers but mahomes was such a rare special talent its going to hurt really bad. 

You guys poh poohing all this.... Youll see

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2 hours ago, gEYno said:

^

Still doesn't get it.

sg3! sg3! sg3!

sg3?

you want to follow and believe a lying sack of shlt?  Go for it

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2 hours ago, BurnleyJet said:

At the time he was a very good prospect, his surname put people off. I actually wanted us to take Bridgewater.  It was a true home run Draft for the Raiders. All Pro Edge rusher, and Franchise QB in round 2.

Carr went in the second round because that we're he belonged.  Not because his brother got pummeled in Houston

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1 hour ago, Lupz27 said:

I've been right about him every step of the way, and it's gonna suck balls when he proves to be a franchise QB for another team.

You said he's a franchise QB.

You are not right about that.  When and if he ever becomes one you can brag.  Making it up as you go along doesnt make you right at this point. 

Whats going to suck balls is you hijacking every fu(king thread with posts just like this one.  Telling people how right you are without a shred of proof. 

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2 hours ago, HighPitch said:

Mahones will be the one that got away fo sho. 

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb move passing on him for a safety. 

If watson turns out to be a stud, were double losers but mahomes was such a rare special talent its going to hurt really bad. 

You guys poh poohing all this.... Youll see

UH-OH halt the Mahomes to Canton bus tour.

 

Chiefs coach Andy Reid said Alex Smith is the unquestioned starter.

"It's Alex's job," Reid said. "There's no gray area with that." No. 10 overall pick Patrick Mahomes has created the buzz this offseason, but Smith has been quietly excellent, completing 12-of-15 passes for 131 yards and a touchdown. Unless he falls completely on his face, Smith will be the starter all season and remains an undervalued asset in deeper fantasy leagues.

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