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[Integrity28]

2 minutes ago, thadude said:

Warren Beatty might be a better Left Tackle

Good stuff man.... I pee'd a little on reading this one.

[smaxor5]

This is so goddamn stupid.  Are people seriously arguing that the potential worst team in the NFL should trade their 2nd round pick (which is practically a first if we ARE that bad) for a goddamn runningback?!  

[#27TheDominator]

11 hours ago, Lil Woody said:

LOL. I love it.  Hack was totally justifiable. You didn't like the pick so you choose to believe otherwise. That's fine. But his pre draft grades and rankings were exactly in line with where he was taken.

Dead money that is gone after this year. So why the tears?  They made a push in 2015/2016 and they made the contracts easily manageable. You want to bitch about the 6M for Fitz....fine. But you really think Macc wanted to pay him that? He left that JAG loser out in FA for literally anyone to take and nobody did and then Bowles names him the starter and Woody decided we were a win now team. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/15036068/owner-woody-johnson-ryan-fitzpatrick-come-back-new-york-jets

Any drafted players that contribute meaningful snaps in years 2 and 3 are plenty impressive.

To call his drafting sh*tty at this point is totally meaningless and that is the real conjecture.  You need to wait 3 years as a rule of thumb to assess any draft.  If Shell becomes our RT, Lee, Simon and Jenkins all become starters then where is the proof that the drafting is sh*tty?  Every team misses on picks in the draft.  We missed on Harrison and maybe Mauldin in his 1st draft.  Though Mauldin got off to a promising start..., so is there any of that blame for a total lack of development from the coaching staff? Injuries happen and Smith looks like he's done as a result. No negative grades should be assigned to either the player or GM for that.  As for his 2nd draft? Even if you want to say Hack is a bust before he ever really plays, our GM swung at QB and missed in the 2nd round which is a huge bust rate to begin with.  Better to take a swing there than not to. Who eelse do you want to cry about?  Burris a 4th rounder not being a bonafide stating quality NFL CB?  LOL.  He's a 4th rounder.  If he can give us good depth, that's a win. Peake may not be a great asset? No kidding....he's a high upside play. Had injury issues, but is raw and has elite potential.  Odds are he never amounts to anything at all....but it's still a good risk to take in the 7th round.  Stop thinking that every pick has to be a homerun.  You just need to hit on the draft more than you miss over time to be able to build a good team through the draft.  So far, he's doing a decent job.  C+ in my book. 

I'm really not looking to defend MAcc, but the position people here have taken is just absurd.

You LOL a ton for a guy that thinks Hackenberg was "justifiable"  and sh*tty drafting is meaningless.  

NEWSFLASH: It is year 3.  From his first draft we have Williams, Mauldin who looks like a possible cut, a back-up QB that they apparently like less than a guy that doesn't seem to deserve any snaps and a NT that they cut and carried on the practice squad for anyone to take. You make a roster with young, cheap first contract players.  What have we gotten out of these players first contracts?  

I can wait 365 days to review 2016.  I am confident it won't be much better.  Lee is a wildcard because he is an athlete and if the light bulb goes off and they handle him correctly he can do some things.  Jenkins is an okay player, but he was always supposed to be a plug and play guy, I don't anticipate a huge jump.  

[Lupz27]

15 hours ago, Lil Woody said:

People keep saying he's a failure, but they can't justify it beyond not liking his picks.

It's not just his picks, it's his strategy of how to build a roster the last 3 years, he was handed boat loads of cap space, every one of his draft picks none traded away year one, and year 3 we have the worst roster in football, and probably the worst QB situation, so IMO he has failed, and IF this team is truly a top 5 pick bad football team then he shouldn't get another crack at rebuilding this roster from scratch after he botched it the first time.

[56mehl56]

7 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

It's not just his picks, it's his strategy of how to build a roster the last 3 years, he was handed boat loads of cap space, every one of his draft picks none traded away year one, and year 3 we have the worst roster in football, and probably the worst QB situation, so IMO he has failed, and IF this team is truly a top 5 pick bad football team then he shouldn't get another crack at rebuilding this roster from scratch after he botched it the first time.

IMO that all revolves around getting snowed that Fitz could take this team to the promised land. The Jets should have started the rebuild then , instead they wasted money on aging vets thinking they were close to competing for a SB.  Is that still Mac's fault sure at least partially , but that was an organizational decision I'm sure.

[#27TheDominator]

21 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

IMO that all revolves around getting snowed that Fitz could take this team to the promised land. The Jets should have started the rebuild then , instead they wasted money on aging vets thinking they were close to competing for a SB.  Is that still Mac's fault sure at least partially , but that was an organizational decision I'm sure.

If this is true, it is the most damning of all. 

[Lil Woody]

3 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

If this is true, it is the most damning of all. 

That is the hard truth many people want to ignore.  The problems with the Jets is not in the GM seat.  Macc would be an average GM on any team in the league.  Not great. Not good.  Average.

But what nobody wants to acknowledge is that our owner is the primary (some might even go so far as to say SINGULAR) reason this franchise is so ******* inept.  Zero business acumen, zero leadership ability, zero direction or strategy from the top, easily influenced and manipulated by fan and media reactions, no basic identity stemming from the owner, no backbone/guts which is part of the reason we have no direction and the inmates are always running the asylum here, no pride and no goddamn clue how to do anything but throw money at problems.  Woody Johnson is a total joke and this organization takes it's identity directly from him.  Forget that our coach is a total moron, forget that our players don't respect anyone in the organization enough to try or even follow a company line.  We don't even have a company line because our owner has no credibility and nothing about him commands respect. 

Woody Johnson IS the Jets biggest failure. 

Rooney OWNS the Steelers, that team is a carbon copy of his families virtues, direction, leadership and dedication, John Mara OWNS the little boys blue and his daddy created a culture there that places the ownership mandates above all else which he follows like a good boy, Steve Bisciotti OWNS the Ravens, he stepped in day one and ran things like a CEO and set the mission, tone and direction of that team and demands accountability to him from everyone on that team.

Woody purchased the NY Jets with his family money.  His dad was deemed a total failure by his grandfather and fired from the company business.  So our owner is effectively a 2nd generation loser born into extreme wealth.  This is the family tree that we are looking up to for this teams leadership.  And we wonder why we are always making decisions with no strategy or intelligence driving them.  So long as that inept little turd is at the top of this franchise, they will never amount to anything.

[nj meadowlands]

sounds like an ILLEGAL LEAK of #FakeNews. Very unfair!

[#27TheDominator]

If the owner is that easy to manipulate, the GM should do a better ******* job and not throw money at aging vets and chicken armed QBs like Fitzpatrick.  You want to blame these drafts on Woody?  Hackenberg?  If Woody is that inept and easily influenced, you are telling me that a GM with a half a brain can't convince him on who should be picked? 

You looked around for a scapegoat and picked the easy one.  Despite the lack of evidence.  The one thing Woody can be blamed for is the power structure which may make failure inevitable, but it does not absolve anyone of this roster. 

[Lil Woody]

14 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

If the owner is that easy to manipulate, the GM should do a better ******* job and not throw money at aging vets and chicken armed QBs like Fitzpatrick.  You want to blame these drafts on Woody?  Hackenberg?  If Woody is that inept and easily influenced, you are telling me that a GM with a half a brain can't convince him on who should be picked? 

You looked around for a scapegoat and picked the easy one.  Despite the lack of evidence.  The one thing Woody can be blamed for is the power structure which may make failure inevitable, but it does not absolve anyone of this roster. 

You think an employee of a little man on a power trip can just easily sway him into making the right decisions?  Woody thinks he's the smartest guy in the room.  He listens to media and fans and the seed gets planted and he thinks he is coming to his own conclusions.  But you want Macc to just whisper ideas into his ear and make it alright.  Yeah ok. Danny Snyder had to come to terms with his ineptitude on his own time and Woody does too.  I doubt he will however because he is 70 something and pretty set in his ways.

Woody is not the easy scapegoat.  But he's the real problem.  It's not easy to identify the main issue in your teams failures as the one guy you can't get rid of.  This team will NEVER be successful under his ownership.  That's the hard truth.  We can only hope to hit the lottery at QB, and get a HC who wants to work with that QB.  That's the only way we can win in spite of the complete lack of leadership and identity and direction from this pathetic joke of a franchise. 

You want the easy scapegoat - that is Bowles or Macc.  You want to cry about Hack.  Fine.  But Macc hasn't actually failed this team.  He hasn't blown anyone away with his work either, but you are totally willing to overlook the fact that this teams executive line is completely neutered by having an inept owner that nobody really wants to work for.  So we are stuck with his idiotic meddling and inserting himself into the GM/HC dynamic to suit his need for attention and relevance.  Macc isn't great.  But he's not the problem either. 

[#27TheDominator]

We KNOW what Bowles and Maccagnan do wrong.  You are guessing that Woody is behind these wrongs.  

He is such a dolt that Joe Beningo and some morons with a billboard and plane flying a banner can sway him, but his innermost circle can't?  Sounds like you have it all down.   There is no way to convince you that you are wrong because there is no evidence to back up your hypothesis, yet you stick to it as fact.  Have you ever met Woody Johnson to come up with this pop psycho-analysis?

FWIW, a competitive rebuild is a thing.  It just does not equate to signing a bunch of old sh*ts.  It is simply a fallacy that it takes 5 years to overhaul an NFL roster.