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1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

well we went from no playoff wins 2005-2008 to back to back title games

Buffalo became a playoff contender year 1 which is a huge accomplishment for that franchise.

You: Parcells declared a fatwa against the future of the Jets franchise and it was only through the magnanimity of The Divine that we weren't cast from the league.

 

Also you: Mangini was like Bane in that he basically tunneled under the stadium and tried to murder the entire fanbase.

 

Also, also you: Rex almost making the playoffs was the sign of a master.

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2 minutes ago, slats said:

Yes, he hit on his two first rounders rather nicely. The rest of the draft featured a couple solid role players in the fourth round and really nothing else out of a rare ten pick draft for Tannenbaum. 

Eric Smith was a solid player for us for many years

Brad Smith was a great utility guy

Many people wanted to draft Reggie Bush w/ our 1st pick, we took a guy who was as good or better(pre injury) in Leon Washington in the 4th rd.

Drew Coleman was also a contributor

 

That was a really good draft and the beginnings of our title run teams.

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2 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Eric Smith was a solid player for us for many years

Brad Smith was a great utility guy

Many people wanted to draft Reggie Bush w/ our 1st pick, we took a guy who was as good or better(pre injury) in Leon Washington in the 4th rd.

Drew Coleman was also a contributor

 

That was a really good draft and the beginnings of our title run teams.

If he didn't generally suck after that, I might think he was almost halfway decent. And that's not bothering to counter the best you can do with the rest of that draft. 2008-2010 was three straight years of drafting embarrassment. 

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2 minutes ago, slats said:

If he didn't generally suck after that, I might think he was almost halfway decent. And that's not bothering to counter the best you can do with the rest of that draft. 2008-2010 was three straight years of drafting embarrassment. 

How'd Tannenbaum do before and after Mangini? 

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2 hours ago, nyjunc said:

Belichick is a defensive coach

Parcells was a defensive coach

Carroll is a defensive coach

the Falcons coach is a defensive coach

The panthers coach is a defensive coach

 

the offensive vs. defensive HC is pretty meaningless.

Which is why its on the GM.  No matter the coach, if the roster is garbage the team is garbage.  With an excellent roster, even Rex nearly put us in the big game--with a rookie QB.

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1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

How'd Tannenbaum do before and after Mangini? 

He and the Mangenius together drafted Vernon Gholston. 

Mangini is the most overrated human being in Jets lore. The man is out of work for a reason. 

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3 minutes ago, slats said:

If he didn't generally suck after that, I might think he was almost halfway decent. And that's not bothering to counter the best you can do with the rest of that draft. 2008-2010 was three straight years of drafting embarrassment. 

the next season he drafted 2 all pros including a future Hall of famer.

 

he traded away most of the picks from 2009 and 2010 BUT did get key title game run contributors in sanchez, Greene, Slasuon in 2009.  2010 was bad but remember we gave up picks fro Braylon, Holmes, Cro- all key contributors.

 

2011 he got Wilkerson, Powell, Kerley.  really the 2 bad drafts were 2010 and 2012.

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22 minutes ago, slats said:

He and the Mangenius together drafted Vernon Gholston. 

Mangini is the most overrated human being in Jets lore. The man is out of work for a reason. 

In the scope of Jets history, when you factor in draft picks and free agency, Mangini's time here was the Golden Age of personnel acquisition. 

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3 hours ago, nyjunc said:

Belichick is a defensive coach

Parcells was a defensive coach

Carroll is a defensive coach

the Falcons coach is a defensive coach

The panthers coach is a defensive coach

 

the offensive vs. defensive HC is pretty meaningless.

Yes, but Ryan, Edwards and Bowles all subcontracted out the offense. Which is not how things are done in the NFL unless you want to suck.Instead we have had a a HC of the defense. Bowles' hiring an odl hack like Chan Gailey was the first clue that he wasn't going to get involved in that part of the team.There are a lot of bright smart young offensvie coaches out there in the NFL and college. Bowles instead brought in a 3 yards and a could of dust old guy who was out of football. 

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3 minutes ago, Bugg said:

Yes, but Ryan, Edwards and Bowles all subcontracted out the offense. Which is not how things are done in the NFL unless you want to suck.Instead we have had a a HC of the defense. Bowles' hiring an odl hack like Chan Gailey was the first clue that he wasn't going to get involved in that part of the team.There are a lot of bright smart young offensvie coaches out there in the NFL and college. Bowles instead brought in a 3 yards and a could of dust old guy who was out of football. 

I mean, the simpler answer is that Belichick, Parcells, and Carroll are all really smart and Herm and Rex were unquestionably stupid. Bowles doesn't strike me as stupid, but he certainly doesn't seem for to lead an organization--too soft, too complacent, too non-confrontational.

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Causes of Jets Woes (Short Form):

1. Inability to draft long term talent.  We continue to be extremely thin due to constant quick-failed draft picks in every round.

2. Inability to draft a QB or develop a QB.  We continue to select QB's poorly, regardless of what round, and then fail to develop them in any way.

3. Inability to hire a Head Coach worth investing "consistency" in.  Our Coaches were fired for good cause.  We have yet to find one worth holding steady for 6-8+ years on.

4. Inconsistency of System.  Too many and too often  changes in Coaching style, too many changes too often in offensive/defensive systems.

5. An obsession with the Patriots that blinds us to long term goals with short term stupidity.

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Buttfumble is still the best QB the Jets have drafted in the last 16 years, since Chad. And we have drafted the most QBs over that time in the NFL. Let that sink in. We passed on the likes of Brady and Wilson when we had more than enough scouts wanting to draft them. 

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27 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Causes of Jets Woes (Short Form):

1. Inability to draft long term talent.  We continue to be extremely thin due to constant quick-failed draft picks in every round.

2. Inability to draft a QB or develop a QB.  We continue to select QB's poorly, regardless of what round, and then fail to develop them in any way.

3. Inability to hire a Head Coach worth investing "consistency" in.  Our Coaches were fired for good cause.  We have yet to find one worth holding steady for 6-8+ years on.

4. Inconsistency of System.  Too many and too often  changes in Coaching style, too many changes too often in offensive/defensive systems.

5. An obsession with the Patriots that blinds us to long term goals with short term stupidity.

This is brilliant.

I actually think that, at the current moment, Woody may realize this and is trying to correct this with Mac and Bowles.  My questions are:

  1. Does Woody have the fortitude and conviction to stick with a long term plan?
  2. Are Macc and Bowles the guys to invest consistency in?
  3. Do they need a different/better organization-even if the guys are right, do they need more of them?

In the end, I stick to my prior position-if Woody was really going to do things differently, he would have extended MaccBowles, or fired them.  He was not going to eat 2 years of contract-Woody hates that.  

Maybe they had that meeting this week-Woody:  "Ok, I get it.  You don't need to win this year.   Please don't start McCown.   Just play solid defense and develop the young QBs and you get 2018."

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The causes: Stupid drafting. Taking DL after DL and not building from inside out on the OL. Instead we choose to draft at each level of the defense.

Should've been taking OL in the 2nd round and not Devin Smith and Hackenberg and not waiting till your LT retires and your all pro center is way past his prime. 

I would love to know what the overall strategy is for drafting like this. It's all over the place. 

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6 hours ago, varjet said:

Since Mac joined the team 3 years ago, the Jets have traded 5 draft picks for veterans no longer on the team.

They have signed multiple FA veterans who are no longer on the team.

They have spent high draft picks on Devin Smith, Mauldin and Hack.  

They have question marks or worse at every position analysts consider high impact.

So either they are incompetent, or went through an initial learning phase and now have it figured out.

Woody will need to decide which one (and he included in the group) by January.

But Macagnan is doing a good job!

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5 hours ago, slats said:

The all-time draft of 2006 included Kellen Clemens, Anthony Schlegel, and Eric Smith in the second and third rounds. The 2007 all-time draft had a total of four players, only one of which would be all-timey, while another was solid. That's it. 

2008, 09, and 10 were all terrible drafts. Abysmal. 

We have one good player from our last 3 drafts.  One friggin good player

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5 hours ago, Warfish said:

Causes of Jets Woes (Short Form):

1. Inability to draft long term talent.  We continue to be extremely thin due to constant quick-failed draft picks in every round.

2. Inability to draft a QB or develop a QB.  We continue to select QB's poorly, regardless of what round, and then fail to develop them in any way.

3. Inability to hire a Head Coach worth investing "consistency" in.  Our Coaches were fired for good cause.  We have yet to find one worth holding steady for 6-8+ years on.

4. Inconsistency of System.  Too many and too often  changes in Coaching style, too many changes too often in offensive/defensive systems.

5. An obsession with the Patriots that blinds us to long term goals with short term stupidity.

How long was Schotty here?

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In his defense, which is painful, but I think the 2015 and 2016 drafts were generally bad.   it was hard to pick players from there.  There are not alot of examples of players we should have picked.  Second round...maybe.

The draft is meant to be a crapshoot. That may be the biggest problem with this regime.  QB?

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12 hours ago, Warfish said:

Causes of Jets Woes (Short Form):

1. Inability to draft long term talent.  We continue to be extremely thin due to constant quick-failed draft picks in every round.

2. Inability to draft a QB or develop a QB.  We continue to select QB's poorly, regardless of what round, and then fail to develop them in any way.

3. Inability to hire a Head Coach worth investing "consistency" in.  Our Coaches were fired for good cause.  We have yet to find one worth holding steady for 6-8+ years on.

4. Inconsistency of System.  Too many and too often  changes in Coaching style, too many changes too often in offensive/defensive systems.

5. An obsession with the Patriots that blinds us to long term goals with short term stupidity.

1. There's nobody in charge. Solution: put somebody in charge. It could be anyone. This stuff is only as hard as you decide to make it.

2. We don't have a quarterback. Until we do, the job of whoever's in charge is find the quarterback or I'll have your ******* head. Do whatever it takes. Don't care about what people think about what doing whatever it takes looks like.

3. Build through the draft. Most of the improvement to be had here is simply in actually using picks to select players. Drafting 'well' is kind of a bonus.

The Jets became the league's biggest disaster because they went all reductio ad absurdum with the 80/20 rule. Take two seconds to get the basic sh*t right and then see where you are.

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44 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

SLATS: Idzik whiffed on 12 picks, what a loser

ALSO SLATS: yeah sure Mangini drafted four Ring of Honor players in three years, but also Schlegel

I don't give Mangini credit for those picks and neither, it would seem, does anyone who employs people in the NFL. Tannenbaum gets the credit for a strong start to his drafting career, one that started to go off the rails with Mangini still head coach in the almost entirely useless draft of 2008. 

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7 minutes ago, slats said:

I don't give Mangini credit for those picks and neither, it would seem, does anyone who employs people in the NFL. Tannenbaum gets the credit for a strong start to his drafting career, one that started to go off the rails with Mangini still head coach in the almost entirely useless draft of 2008. 

Probably the Dolphins will be good now

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3 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

Thats what the article states...  we are mediocre, below 500 under Woody.

The fact that 3-6 teams are worse means what exactly?

 

 

 

 

Over the past decade, in terms of W/L record, its more like 1/3 of the league is worse than, not 5 or 6 teams.

To answer your question, it doesn't mean anything, really, other than just that.  Simply an observation.  I think fanbases sometimes overstate how dire their situatiation is.  I'm not implying the Jets situation is looking rosey, but it's also has not been downright terrible.

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