Bowles Presser Today

[Bleedin Green]

20 hours ago, nycdan said:

He can even be funny when asked a stupid question.  

Bowles sounds like he's now annoyed at the press and is going to stonewall them.  Good in some ways, but alienating them is going to make his time in NY much more unpleasant.  You don't have to be their friend or too giving with info, but you can find a way to not be so obviously disdainful.  He'll learn or he won't.  No skin off my nose since I hardly ever watch them anyway.

So back to the game Thursday night...if McDougal sacks McCown, am I allowed to smile just a little?

You would really get enjoyment out of two players getting carted off the field with season-ending injuries on the same play?  You're sick.

[glenn31]

19 minutes ago, NYs Stepchild said:

That's Bowles main job. He does not Coordinate the offense or the defense. What the hell is he here for? He gives the team direction, and rally's the team, and his coaches.

 

Uhh, on gameday Bowles' main job is game management and making sure the coordinators are following the gameplans. At one point way back in the past, yes it seemed like HCs interacted more with the players on the sidelines, but look at any game today and the majority of player management on the sidelines falls to the position coaches, which makes perfect sense since they have the most initmate knowledge of the players within their position group.

All of this superfluous rah-rah stuff you're going with has no effect whatsoever on Ws and Ls. Here's the proof:

1970s Dynasty: Steelers lead by Chuck Noll (4 rings)

1980s Dynasty: 49ers led by Bill Walsh/ George Seifert (5 rings)

1990s Dynasty: Cowboys led by Jimmie Johnson (and begrudgingly adding Switzer) (3 rings)

Post 2000: Patriots led by Bill Belichick

Off of those names I see 3 out of 4 who most would categorize as non-colorful, stoic, and you don't find old films of them blowing up or losing control on the sidelines. Jimmy J being the only exception but his incessant whining was mainly aimed at the refs... I never saw him get angry at his young Cowboys during a game. What they all have in common though is they built their dynasties with guys who DID NOT NEED A KICK IN THE BUTT. Noll told his team from day 1 that he does not do motivational speeches and any man in the room that needs them will no longer be a Pittshburgh Steeler. You think Walsh ever had to motivate Ronnie Lott, Joe Cool, or Jerry Rice?

Michael Irvin, Emmit, Larry Allen, Aikman, et al certainly didn't need it and we already know that Belichick has no time for you if you can't wake up in the middle of the night and pop out of bed ready to bust up a wedge. These are grown a$$ men making millions and coaches who feel it's a priority of their job to motivate their players don't last long (ie Dick McPherson & Herm Edwards).

Todd Bowles' demeanor is fine and changing it will do nothing. Bland coaches win just as colorful ones do. Now onto his game-planning and team building efforts? Blast away because now you have tangible proof for your argument.

[hiflyer739]

LMAO

He gives zero sh%4s. In all of the press conferences I have heard, I believe there is not one nugget of useful information.

[jeremy2020]

1 minute ago, hiflyer739 said:

LMAO

He gives zero sh%4s. In all of the press conferences I have heard, I believe there is not one nugget of useful information.

Sometimes you just don't have a nugget to spare so you can't share.

[glenn31]

8 minutes ago, NYs Stepchild said:

Easy schedule. Fitzmagic, and winning very close games with a lot of luck.

We certainly didn't roll over anyone and we came up short down the stretch didn't we?

In fact Rex Ryan knocked us out of the playoffs with his juggernaut of a team while Bowles stared blankly into space. 

So let me get this straight, in a season where his crappy team plays over their heads (spare me the schedule stuff - I've seen other bad teams get handed cupcake schedules then get their a$$es handed to them by cupcake after cupcake), they win despite his stoic demeanor. While at least appearing fired up throughout the season, and since you said teams take on the demeanor of their HC, why were they fired up? No way it could have been Bowles.

And it was Rex acting like a fat fool across the sidelines from Bowles during week 17 that closed the door on us... not the fact that the last drip of Fitzmagic officially ran out in OT the week before. Got ya.

But in 2016, the team nose-dives because Bowles stays consistent with his demeanor. Not because players took the year for granted or some bad injuries to key guys, nor because the idiot GM didn't upgrade the QB position, nor because the coaching seemed to get worse. The 2016 NYJ were 5 losses worse than the 2015 NYJ because Todd Bowles isn't an overly animated human being.

I'm on the fire Bowles bandwagon as much as anyone but the amount of untrue cliches you're spouting regarding the job and role of a HC and his demeanor's effect on Ws & Ls really reeks of some agenda-setting.

[ZachEY]

48 minutes ago, glenn31 said:

So then how did that same zombie coach manage to win 10 games in 2015? The team sure as heck seemed fired up for most of that season. Did he slip them some reverse ennui tablets during the team breakfast?

Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, Ronde Barber, and John Lynch were all fiery defensive stalwarts for the Bucs who could hoot and holler with the best of them. Their HC? Church mouse quiet Tony Dungy.

The 2016 Jets lost a majority of the time last season because were typically out-gunned at the most important positions, and on top of that became crippled with injuries. When guys like Mo & Revis come into camp fat and out of shape, no amount of screaming is going cut down their body fat percentages and strengthen their cores. Guys like them already made their decisions on where their seasons (both as a team and as individuals) are going waaaay before Bowles ever laid out the plan for the team during his initial address during the 1st night of the 2016 training camp. And before you spin it that those guys coming into camp out of shape proves how soft Bowles is, go ask Bill Parcells about the 53 pudgy Shakespeares that inhabited his 1987 roster.

It's easier to pretend like firing the coach will fix everything than acknowledge that the whole team stinks, and there's no easy fix for that.

Fans are dumb.  Since I've been posting on this board and JI, it's always been about firing the coaches, including the coordinators, and the Jets pretty much done so every year.  Nothing ever gets any better, because we keep picking crappy players.

[glenn31]

30 minutes ago, gEYno said:

It's easier to pretend like firing the coach will fix everything than acknowledge that the whole team stinks, and there's no easy fix for that.

Fans are dumb.  Since I've been posting on this board and JI, it's always been about firing the coaches, including the coordinators, and the Jets pretty much done so every year.  Nothing ever gets any better, because we keep picking crappy players.

All of this but especially the bolded. As much as I don't try to come of as some football snob on these boards, sometimes you gotta set the guys who obviously never played a down after high school straight. And it's not about playing college ball as much as it is understanding how the HC differs in levels above high school. The role of the HC changes so much (bigger staffs, more talented players thus more players to rotate during games, exponentially bigger budgets) at the post-HS level most HCs don't even know the names of the bottom 1/3 of their roster.

You can pull the "fire and brimstone with minimal football knowledge behind it" act on HS players because 1) they don't know any better, 2) for the vast majority this is the only place that allows them a chance to play big boy football (nowhere to transfer to), 3) you can easily get a "perfect storm" year where you just happen to have the best collection of talent in terms of players and there's nothing another group of teens can do to stop yours. You can spit, slap, throw, scream, kick, etc and make a general ass of yourself because simply put, no one outside of your podunk town cares about your sideline act and the players are too ignorant & inexperienced to realize that they don't need to be viciously maligned to become better football players. Not to mention all the adult yahoos that approve because: "Gosh dernit, that coach knows how to make some men out of our boys!"

In college & pros, the HC on gameday has to first and foremost keep constant communication with his 3 coordinators and adjust / adapt accordingly (most HS coaches tend to coordinate the O or D so that's less for him). He then has to manage the game / clock (I don't think most HS coaches can even spell clock management). He has to keep an eye on player fatigue and make sure they are rotating efficiently (HS coaches have a lesser amount of "gameday ready" players so rotations are minimal). He has to know ALL of the rules so he can spar with the refs, and on top of all that he has be an extra set of eyes for whichever coordinator is currently calling plays. Punt, FG, or go for it on 4th is also in the HC's job description. And at the higher levels where talent is more equal, your margin for error within any of these roles shrinks dramatically.

So on top of all of that on an NFL HC's plate, we have fans that want him to actively seek out guys on an already crowded & busy sideline and light their a$$es up so that said fans can buy into some personally weaved delusion of "Scream at them like a madman, now that's how you coach 'em up!" There's a reason there's a thousand position coaches on the sidelines lol. You hardly ever see NFL HCs interact with players on the sidelines anymore. They're firmly in CEO mode in this here present-day.

So fans want Todd Bowles to not be himself and act like a macho buffoon because that's what they were served the last time they played big boy football at the ripe old age of 17 lol.

[ZachEY]

29 minutes ago, glenn31 said:

All of this but especially the bolded. As much as I don't try to come of as some football snob on these boards, sometimes you gotta set the guys who obviously never played a down after high school straight. And it's not about playing college ball as much as it is understanding how the HC differs in levels above high school. The role of the HC changes so much (bigger staffs, more talented players thus more players to rotate during games, exponentially bigger budgets) at the post-HS level most HCs don't even know the names of the bottom 1/3 of their roster.

You can pull the "fire and brimstone with minimal football knowledge behind it" act on HS players because 1) they don't know any better, 2) for the vast majority this is the only place that allows them a chance to play big boy football (nowhere to transfer to), 3) you can easily get a "perfect storm" year where you just happen to have the best collection of talent in terms of players and there's nothing another group of teens can do to stop yours. You can spit, slap, throw, scream, kick, etc and make a general ass of yourself because simply put, no one outside of your podunk town cares about your sideline act and the players are too ignorant & inexperienced to realize that they don't need to be viciously maligned to become better football players. Not to mention all the adult yahoos that approve because: "Gosh dernit, that coach knows how to make some men out of our boys!"

In college & pros, the HC on gameday has to first and foremost keep constant communication with his 3 coordinators and adjust / adapt accordingly (most HS coaches tend to coordinate the O or D so that's less for him). He then has to manage the game / clock (I don't think most HS coaches can even spell clock management). He has to keep an eye on player fatigue and make sure they are rotating efficiently (HS coaches have a lesser amount of "gameday ready" players so rotations are minimal). He has to know ALL of the rules so he can spar with the refs, and on top of all that he has be an extra set of eyes for whichever coordinator is currently calling plays. Punt, FG, or go for it on 4th is also in the HC's job description. And at the higher levels where talent is more equal, your margin for error within any of these roles shrinks dramatically.

So on top of all of that on an NFL HC's plate, we have fans that want him to actively seek out guys on an already crowded & busy sideline and light their a$$es up so that said fans can buy into some personally weaved delusion of "Scream at them like a madman, now that's how you coach 'em up!" There's a reason there's a thousand position coaches on the sidelines lol. You hardly ever see NFL HCs interact with players on the sidelines anymore. They're firmly in CEO mode in this here present-day.

So fans want Todd Bowles to not be himself and act like a macho buffoon because that's what they were served the last time they played big boy football at the ripe old age of 17 lol.

I think a lot of people, if they can't see the leadership, don't think it's happening.  It's really no different than the idea that "we" need to see what Hackenberg can do in a game... No, we don't.  The coaches have seen him in every practice and in preseason, and they've determined he doesn't belong in games.  "We" just think we know as much, or more, than the coaches do.

[Jet_Engine1]

23 hours ago, BigRy56 said:

This guy really reeks of optimism and inspires Jet fans everywhere that the arrow is trending up for Gang Green.

He had practice.....

[Jet_Engine1]

56 minutes ago, glenn31 said:

All of this but especially the bolded. As much as I don't try to come of as some football snob on these boards, sometimes you gotta set the guys who obviously never played a down after high school straight. And it's not about playing college ball as much as it is understanding how the HC differs in levels above high school. The role of the HC changes so much (bigger staffs, more talented players thus more players to rotate during games, exponentially bigger budgets) at the post-HS level most HCs don't even know the names of the bottom 1/3 of their roster.

You can pull the "fire and brimstone with minimal football knowledge behind it" act on HS players because 1) they don't know any better, 2) for the vast majority this is the only place that allows them a chance to play big boy football (nowhere to transfer to), 3) you can easily get a "perfect storm" year where you just happen to have the best collection of talent in terms of players and there's nothing another group of teens can do to stop yours. You can spit, slap, throw, scream, kick, etc and make a general ass of yourself because simply put, no one outside of your podunk town cares about your sideline act and the players are too ignorant & inexperienced to realize that they don't need to be viciously maligned to become better football players. Not to mention all the adult yahoos that approve because: "Gosh dernit, that coach knows how to make some men out of our boys!"

In college & pros, the HC on gameday has to first and foremost keep constant communication with his 3 coordinators and adjust / adapt accordingly (most HS coaches tend to coordinate the O or D so that's less for him). He then has to manage the game / clock (I don't think most HS coaches can even spell clock management). He has to keep an eye on player fatigue and make sure they are rotating efficiently (HS coaches have a lesser amount of "gameday ready" players so rotations are minimal). He has to know ALL of the rules so he can spar with the refs, and on top of all that he has be an extra set of eyes for whichever coordinator is currently calling plays. Punt, FG, or go for it on 4th is also in the HC's job description. And at the higher levels where talent is more equal, your margin for error within any of these roles shrinks dramatically.

So on top of all of that on an NFL HC's plate, we have fans that want him to actively seek out guys on an already crowded & busy sideline and light their a$$es up so that said fans can buy into some personally weaved delusion of "Scream at them like a madman, now that's how you coach 'em up!" There's a reason there's a thousand position coaches on the sidelines lol. You hardly ever see NFL HCs interact with players on the sidelines anymore. They're firmly in CEO mode in this here present-day.

So fans want Todd Bowles to not be himself and act like a macho buffoon because that's what they were served the last time they played big boy football at the ripe old age of 17 lol.

[BigRy56]

36 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

He had practice.....

PRACTICE?!

[HessStation]

Exciting!

[SOJ]

5 hours ago, glenn31 said:

Fans are watching the game. Players are watching the game. Coaches are watching the game. 11 games from the Jets sidelines are IN the game. Why does anyone need visual aids from Todd Bowles? Should he pull out 2 flags and produce semaphore codes for the next unit to get on the field?

I remember when Matthias Kiwanuka didn't bring Vince Young down on that great run he had vs the Giants during his rookie year. Coughlin immediately tore Kiwi a new one in front of the entire bench. What happened the rest of the way? The Giants took a 21-0 lead into the 4th and collapsed and lost 24-21. That sideline blow up never made Kiwi a better player and it sure as heck didn't help the Giants that day. The following year Cough decides to somewhat change in how he interacts with players and voila! A SB in 2007 & a SB 4 years later. The grumpy old man was a razor's edge from losing his team and his job and it wasn't until he realized he is no longer in the 1980s and he's not screaming at dudes who work as roofers and truckers during the late winter and spring that his & the NYG fortunes changed for the better.

The ONLY things that should matter with a HC are game-planning during the week and game management on gamedays. Sideline demeanor does NOTHING to enhance those two things. NOTHING.

Well unfortunately those things you mentioned seem to be done very poorly.... that and getting his team to play competitive football, that is.   He is a poor excuse for a HC... IMHO.

[glenn31]

29 minutes ago, SOJ said:

Well unfortunately those things you mentioned seem to be done very poorly.... that and getting his team to play competitive football, that is.   He is a poor excuse for a HC... IMHO.

And you're absolutely right. You won't find a Todd Bowles defender here, the day him and Mac are both gone will be addition by subtraction even before they fill the two positions. Having said that, a coach's demeanor on the sidelines and with the media is probably #100 on a list of 100 things that affects the team's wins and loss record, regardless of whether he is fiery or stoic.

[flgreen]

Was there another presser today?  (Weds)

These things are so electrifying I can't wait for the next one 

[Bugg]

9 hours ago, glenn31 said:

All of this but especially the bolded. As much as I don't try to come of as some football snob on these boards, sometimes you gotta set the guys who obviously never played a down after high school straight. And it's not about playing college ball as much as it is understanding how the HC differs in levels above high school. The role of the HC changes so much (bigger staffs, more talented players thus more players to rotate during games, exponentially bigger budgets) at the post-HS level most HCs don't even know the names of the bottom 1/3 of their roster.

You can pull the "fire and brimstone with minimal football knowledge behind it" act on HS players because 1) they don't know any better, 2) for the vast majority this is the only place that allows them a chance to play big boy football (nowhere to transfer to), 3) you can easily get a "perfect storm" year where you just happen to have the best collection of talent in terms of players and there's nothing another group of teens can do to stop yours. You can spit, slap, throw, scream, kick, etc and make a general ass of yourself because simply put, no one outside of your podunk town cares about your sideline act and the players are too ignorant & inexperienced to realize that they don't need to be viciously maligned to become better football players. Not to mention all the adult yahoos that approve because: "Gosh dernit, that coach knows how to make some men out of our boys!"

In college & pros, the HC on gameday has to first and foremost keep constant communication with his 3 coordinators and adjust / adapt accordingly (most HS coaches tend to coordinate the O or D so that's less for him). He then has to manage the game / clock (I don't think most HS coaches can even spell clock management). He has to keep an eye on player fatigue and make sure they are rotating efficiently (HS coaches have a lesser amount of "gameday ready" players so rotations are minimal). He has to know ALL of the rules so he can spar with the refs, and on top of all that he has be an extra set of eyes for whichever coordinator is currently calling plays. Punt, FG, or go for it on 4th is also in the HC's job description. And at the higher levels where talent is more equal, your margin for error within any of these roles shrinks dramatically.

So on top of all of that on an NFL HC's plate, we have fans that want him to actively seek out guys on an already crowded & busy sideline and light their a$$es up so that said fans can buy into some personally weaved delusion of "Scream at them like a madman, now that's how you coach 'em up!" There's a reason there's a thousand position coaches on the sidelines lol. You hardly ever see NFL HCs interact with players on the sidelines anymore. They're firmly in CEO mode in this here present-day.

So fans want Todd Bowles to not be himself and act like a macho buffoon because that's what they were served the last time they played big boy football at the ripe old age of 17 lol.

Much truth here. But...

1. See a guy who from Day 1 subcontracted out the offense. Grant you he cannot be in every meeting nor make every decision nor call every play. And given how things imploded like hat with Herman Edwards and Rex Ryan, not sure if I'm more angry at the HC in these positions for being so f__ing stupid or the GMs and owner for not making abundantly clear the that such an MO was not acceptable at all. 

2. Having seen a lot of college teams up close over the past few years from having a son recruited...the bold is simply not true at all. Every college coach I have seen knows very well 24/7 what his depth chart is better than he knows almost anything else. It's why and how they recruit. Hey, we had 5 DBs or 6 OL guys graduate, get me bodies. Any good coach knows where they're lacking and where they have depth. Imagine an NFL HC knows who his starter are before camp begins. But spend a lot of their camp time figuring out who are numbers 40 something to 53 and the PS. 

[Charlie Brown]

19 hours ago, gEYno said:

It's easier to pretend like firing the coach will fix everything than acknowledge that the whole team stinks, and there's no easy fix for that.

Fans are dumb.  Since I've been posting on this board and JI, it's always been about firing the coaches, including the coordinators, and the Jets pretty much done so every year.  Nothing ever gets any better, because we keep picking crappy players.

It is simple to analyze, what other coach in the NFL today would magically turn the Jets as currently constituted into some kind of magical playoff team?

Answer = No One!!

[Maxman]

20 hours ago, gEYno said:

I think a lot of people, if they can't see the leadership, don't think it's happening.  It's really no different than the idea that "we" need to see what Hackenberg can do in a game... No, we don't.  The coaches have seen him in every practice and in preseason, and they've determined he doesn't belong in games.  "We" just think we know as much, or more, than the coaches do.

I agree with what you wrote but I think right now this pertains more to Petty. The coaches are giving Hackenberg more quality game time because they seem to feel confident in their assessment of Petty, whatever that may be.

I also agree with your other post about changing coaches. Everyone says this guy is an idiot, replace him. But who are we replacing anybody with? That should be the question. Really doesn't matter though right now, Macc and Bowles will both be back next year.

[varjet]

40 minutes ago, Maxman said:

I agree with what you wrote but I think right now this pertains more to Petty. The coaches are giving Hackenberg more quality game time because they seem to feel confident in their assessment of Petty, whatever that may be.

I also agree with your other post about changing coaches. Everyone says this guy is an idiot, replace him. But who are we replacing anybody with? That should be the question. Really doesn't matter though right now, Macc and Bowles will both be back next year.

The biggest problem with the Jets now is their system.

The more problematic symptom of their biggest problem is their lack of talent.  One of the biggest reasons that there is a lack of talent is because of the marching orders that Macc has been given, and the fact that Macc and Bowles are supposed to be working together, and it would appear that some of the draft picks were special ordered by Bowles.

There were also also bad draft picks that would appear to be all on Mac.

The job is too big for Macc.  The Jets need a football grown up.  I think someone like that will make both Macc and Bowles look better.  

I can't promise that saves Macc and Bowles, but I don't think we get a true reading of what they are by what we see.

[Tinstar]

14 minutes ago, varjet said:

The biggest problem with the Jets now is their system.

The more problematic symptom of their biggest problem is their lack of talent.  One of the biggest reasons that there is a lack of talent is because of the marching orders that Macc has been given, and the fact that Macc and Bowles are supposed to be working together, and it would appear that some of the draft picks were special ordered by Bowles.

There were also also bad draft picks that would appear to be all on Mac.

The job is too big for Macc.  The Jets need a football grown up.  I think someone like that will make both Macc and Bowles look better.  

I can't promise that saves Macc and Bowles, but I don't think we get a true reading of what they are by what we see.

Mac doesn't need any grown up to help him do a job that he's handling just fine . The draft is a crap shot and GMs hit some and miss some. You take calculated chances at certain positions when you think prospects have what you look for in that position. In 3 years, Mac has taken a player considered to be the highest rated player on every single draft board in the country twice in the 1st round . In the other instance, he took a player who was highly rated on many draft boards .  

So he may have missed on a few, big deal, since everyone does. He also found a few contributors in free agency and after the draft .You don't rebuild the foundation of a team like the Jets without some luck in 2 yrs using the draft as your main pipeline . 

[Charlie Brown]

23 hours ago, gEYno said:

I think a lot of people, if they can't see the leadership, don't think it's happening.  It's really no different than the idea that "we" need to see what Hackenberg can do in a game... No, we don't.  The coaches have seen him in every practice and in preseason, and they've determined he doesn't belong in games.  "We" just think we know as much, or more, than the coaches do.

I also find it funny. 

Think on it, Lombardi was a raving madman during games and hence folks kept their distance but the key for him was his teams were so prepared before the game.

Again Bill Walsh, Landry etc were quiet on the sidelines didn't make them bad HCs. The key is either you know what you are doing or you don't....

[joewilly12]

I have a very hard time understanding what he's saying. 

[Kleckineau]

This has been discussed ad infinitum ad nauseam.

Fact is it will be tough to support keeping this GM / HC combo if after 3 years the team is still the cellar dweller they were hired to turn around.

Since when is not getting the job done not grounds for dismissal?