Pennington Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Mayfield is definitely the flavor of the week around here. I don't hate the guy but I question if he is worth a top 10 pick. I dont have those questions about Darnold or Rosen despite Darnold having a bad season so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, Pennington said: Yes teams will always be concerned with drafting a short QB. It doesn't mean he can't be picked in the first round but Mayfields height is a definite factor against him. Can you imagine how good Flutie would have been in this new pussified NFL? Doug was a smart QB & defenses tried to kill the little jitter bug when he ran around. With the way Flutie improvised, the out of pocket dump offs & QB slides (he was an exellent baseball player who no one would need to teach how to slide (see Mark Sanchez)). Doug would have been a great QB in today's NFL, that's why I wouldn't be afraid of Bakers height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Beerfish said: Mayfield is fools gold imo. Just like Watson, right? Whomever we pick, I want a QB with a resume of success and production. Not a workout combine warrior or a guy with crap play in college but “best pro potential” bullsh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Looking at other QBs: Nick Stevens Colorado State Baker Mayfield Ryan Finley out of NC State Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 USC quarterback Sam Darnold unlikely to enter NFL draft this year: report Tweet email USC quarterback Sam Darnold reportedly wants another year to develop. (CARLOS OSORIO/AP) Suck for Sam? Not so fast. The 3-4 Jets already seem to be winning too much this season — though the Giants aren’t — but the quarterback they’ve had their eyes on reportedly won’t be available in the NFL draft anyway. Sam Darnold is unlikely to leave the University of Southern California this year, according to radio host Benjamin Allbright. USC was blown out by Notre Dame on Saturday, 49-14, and Darnold has been criticized this season for not living up to high expectations. So far the sophomore QB has thrown 17 touchdowns and 10 interceptions, along with 2,292 yards. That means Big Blue, which dropped to 1-6 on Sunday, won’t have a shot at grooming him to potentially be Eli Manning’s eventual replacement, either. At least, not yet. Of course, either the Jets or Giants could hope to pick up another talented quarterback, like UCLA’s Josh Rosen, in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suck for Sam? Not so fast. The 3-4 Jets already seem to be winning too much this season — though the Giants aren’t — but the quarterback they’ve had their eyes on reportedly won’t be available in the NFL draft anyway. Sam Darnold is unlikely to leave the University of Southern California this year, according to radio host Benjamin Allbright. USC was blown out by Notre Dame on Saturday, 49-14, and Darnold has been criticized this season for not living up to high expectations. So far the sophomore QB has thrown 17 touchdowns and 10 interceptions, along with 2,292 yards. That means Big Blue, which dropped to 1-6 on Sunday, won’t have a shot at grooming him to potentially be Eli Manning’s eventual replacement, either. At least, not yet. Of course, either the Jets or Giants could hope to pick up another talented quarterback, like UCLA’s Josh Rosen, in the draft.
UnitedWhofans Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: USC quarterback Sam Darnold unlikely to enter NFL draft this year: report Tweet email USC quarterback Sam Darnold reportedly wants another year to develop. (CARLOS OSORIO/AP) Suck for Sam? Not so fast. The 3-4 Jets already seem to be winning too much this season — though the Giants aren’t — but the quarterback they’ve had their eyes on reportedly won’t be available in the NFL draft anyway. Sam Darnold is unlikely to leave the University of Southern California this year, according to radio host Benjamin Allbright. USC was blown out by Notre Dame on Saturday, 49-14, and Darnold has been criticized this season for not living up to high expectations. So far the sophomore QB has thrown 17 touchdowns and 10 interceptions, along with 2,292 yards. That means Big Blue, which dropped to 1-6 on Sunday, won’t have a shot at grooming him to potentially be Eli Manning’s eventual replacement, either. At least, not yet. Of course, either the Jets or Giants could hope to pick up another talented quarterback, like UCLA’s Josh Rosen, in the draft. Oh no! what will the Browns and 49ers do!? ALso according Albright, scouts are not high on Rosen either. Benjamin AllbrightVerified account @AllbrightNFL 17m17 minutes ago More Replying to @MillerLite_1 @fantasyheisman My position is scouts aren't as high on Rosen as social media seems to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suck for Sam? Not so fast. The 3-4 Jets already seem to be winning too much this season — though the Giants aren’t — but the quarterback they’ve had their eyes on reportedly won’t be available in the NFL draft anyway. Sam Darnold is unlikely to leave the University of Southern California this year, according to radio host Benjamin Allbright. USC was blown out by Notre Dame on Saturday, 49-14, and Darnold has been criticized this season for not living up to high expectations. So far the sophomore QB has thrown 17 touchdowns and 10 interceptions, along with 2,292 yards. That means Big Blue, which dropped to 1-6 on Sunday, won’t have a shot at grooming him to potentially be Eli Manning’s eventual replacement, either. At least, not yet. Of course, either the Jets or Giants could hope to pick up another talented quarterback, like UCLA’s Josh Rosen, in the draft.
The Walrus Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Pennington said: Mayfield is definitely the flavor of the week around here. I don't hate the guy but I question if he is worth a top 10 pick. I dont have those questions about Darnold or Rosen despite Darnold having a bad season so far. I suspect reality is setting in around here and without trading up we are likely to be in the running in the 3rd ranked or lower QB sweepstakes. So now that we are nearly half way through the season, realistic picks like Mayfield are getting some consideration and thought on the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Baker Mayfield is alright by me..we will probably sign Eli after the Giants cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I’ve told folks, come draft day the picks will be different then hat all the draft heads think today. Suck for Sam with no Sam, Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 18 minutes ago, The Walrus said: I suspect reality is setting in around here and without trading up we are likely to be in the running in the 3rd ranked or lower QB sweepstakes. So now that we are nearly half way through the season, realistic picks like Mayfield are getting some consideration and thought on the forum. Honestly not the worst thing with this early consensus* *If Darnold enters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, Warfish said: I’ve told folks, come draft day the picks will be different then hat all the draft heads think today. Suck for Sam with no Sam, Lol. Well.. considering there's a decent chance Bowles and Mac are back in 2018, and a 39 year old McCown is too, maybe we can suck for Sam in 2019? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 We been sucking for for 48 years........ same results only the names have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Anyone like Lamar Jackson? Saw the Louisville, Florida State. Saw really nice throws, and a few too many drops. The kid is fun to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Good news. We will probably go 2-14 next yr so we can snatch him then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 USC Blown Out by Notre Dame, Should Make Sam Darnold-to-the NFL Decision a Done Deal The Big Lead Jason McIntyre 12 hrs ago USC's playoff dreams ended Saturday night in South Bend when the Trojans were blown out from start to finish 49-14. A season that began with so much promise - playoff dreams, a Heisman Trophy for Sam Darnold - is over before Halloween. © Matt Cashore-USA TODAY Sports Oct 21, 2017; South Bend, IN, USA; USC Trojans quarterback Sam Darnold (14) is sacked by Notre Dame Fighting Irish defensive lineman Khalid Kareem (53) in the second quarter at Notre Dame Stadium. Sure, they could win out - though, with no bye week and injuries mounting, that seems unlikely - and get to the Pac-12 title game, but the only way they'd make the playoff is if never-before-seen carnage hits the Big 12, Big 10 and ACC. More importantly, this loss should signal the end of the Sam Darnold era at USC. There's absolutely no reason for him to stay in school. The way this season has unfolded - injuries to his skill position players and offensive line - Darnold staying in school would be pointless. He's going to be a Top 10 pick in the draft, and almost certainly go #1. Andrew Luck stayed an extra year to play for Jim Harbaugh's protege, David Shaw. I don't think anyone is putting Clay Helton in the same coaching universe as Shaw. The NFL drafts QBs on skill set and potential. They're not going to be scared off by interceptions. Jameis Winston threw 18 in 2014; he still went #1 overall. Jared Goff threw 13 in his junior year and still went #1 overall. Deshaun Watson threw 17 interceptions in 2016 and still was taken 10th overall. (He's well on his way to breaking all of the NFL rookie passing records.) Anyone saying Sam Darnold should stay in school needs to look at Matt Barkley. He stayed at USC when he could have come out, didn't win the Heisman, the Trojans didn't win a title, and he got injured. He fell to the 4th round, and missed out on millions. Darnold isn't a finished product; few 20-year olds are. The talent is certainly there. Get him in with the right coaching staff, get him an offensive line, and he can be an NFL star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USC's playoff dreams ended Saturday night in South Bend when the Trojans were blown out from start to finish 49-14. A season that began with so much promise - playoff dreams, a Heisman Trophy for Sam Darnold - is over before Halloween. © Matt Cashore-USA TODAY Sports Oct 21, 2017; South Bend, IN, USA; USC Trojans quarterback Sam Darnold (14) is sacked by Notre Dame Fighting Irish defensive lineman Khalid Kareem (53) in the second quarter at Notre Dame Stadium. Sure, they could win out - though, with no bye week and injuries mounting, that seems unlikely - and get to the Pac-12 title game, but the only way they'd make the playoff is if never-before-seen carnage hits the Big 12, Big 10 and ACC. More importantly, this loss should signal the end of the Sam Darnold era at USC. There's absolutely no reason for him to stay in school. The way this season has unfolded - injuries to his skill position players and offensive line - Darnold staying in school would be pointless. He's going to be a Top 10 pick in the draft, and almost certainly go #1. Andrew Luck stayed an extra year to play for Jim Harbaugh's protege, David Shaw. I don't think anyone is putting Clay Helton in the same coaching universe as Shaw. The NFL drafts QBs on skill set and potential. They're not going to be scared off by interceptions. Jameis Winston threw 18 in 2014; he still went #1 overall. Jared Goff threw 13 in his junior year and still went #1 overall. Deshaun Watson threw 17 interceptions in 2016 and still was taken 10th overall. (He's well on his way to breaking all of the NFL rookie passing records.) Anyone saying Sam Darnold should stay in school needs to look at Matt Barkley. He stayed at USC when he could have come out, didn't win the Heisman, the Trojans didn't win a title, and he got injured. He fell to the 4th round, and missed out on millions. Darnold isn't a finished product; few 20-year olds are. The talent is certainly there. Get him in with the right coaching staff, get him an offensive line, and he can be an NFL star.
bostonmajet Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Ouch; I was fine until the end... "Get him in with the right coaching staff, get him an offensive line, and he can be an NFL star." Well that leaves the Jets out of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 17 minutes ago, bostonmajet said: Ouch; I was fine until the end... "Get him in with the right coaching staff, get him an offensive line, and he can be an NFL star." Well that leaves the Jets out of it... Oh, Bowles will destroy him, let him ferment on the bench behind a plug-n-play jackoff like Brian Hoyer and the usual misguided halfwits on JN will blame Macc for drafting a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, jetrider said: Oh, Bowles will destroy him, let him ferment on the bench behind a plug-n-play jackoff like Brian Hoyer and the usual misguided halfwits on JN will blame Macc for drafting a bust. Case Keenum will be available this off season too,Maccagnan will be in QB scrap heap heaven...and just maybe the Giants will cut or deal Eli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: Case Keenum will be available this off season too,Maccagnan will be in QB scrap heap heaven. Lol. Another Samsonite special traveling reject. Four teams in six years ... the kind of credentials we look for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 30 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Case Keenum will be available this off season too,Maccagnan will be in QB scrap heap heaven...and just maybe the Giants will cut or deal Eli Keenum is too young. Bowles would never start him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Contradicting articles. Some say one thing some say another. I did a search and came up with at least 4 other ones saying the same thing. I hope he stays for his sake. Who knows? I don't think he is ready but only Darnold will make that decision. All else is just speculation and therefore a waste of time. JUST DRAFT MAYFIELD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 17 hours ago, Warfish said: Just like Watson, right? Whomever we pick, I want a QB with a resume of success and production. Not a workout combine warrior or a guy with crap play in college but “best pro potential” bullsh*t. No not at all, I liked Watson. Especially after he showed he threw as well as most others at the combine. Mayfield is mark sanchez imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 19 minutes ago, Beerfish said: No not at all, I liked Watson. Especially after he showed he threw as well as most others at the combine. Mayfield is mark sanchez imo. No, Sam Interceptadarnold is the bastard love child of Mark Sanchez and Matt Leinart. Baker Mayfield is a short Johnny Manziel crossbred with Deshaun Watson. Could go either way....the resume is there, but the future is a risk, no question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: No not at all, I liked Watson. Especially after he showed he threw as well as most others at the combine. Mayfield is mark sanchez imo. Mayfield is the opposite of Sanchez. The whole problem with Sanchez was that he was basically a mystery box after starting so few games. If he had stayed in school it would have been the usual double-edged sword. His Lewin/QBASE projection would have been better due to the increased start count but the additional film would likely have disclosed some of his issues. Mayfield's track record is immaculate. He's going to enter the draft coming off three straight seasons as the starting quarterback of a top ten passing offense (per FO S&P+). Even if the Personnel Guys think he's got an ugly girlfriend he might be Russell Wilson but I think he just goes high. None of the presumptive top guys is clean as far as the analytics. 44 minutes ago, Warfish said: No, Sam Interceptadarnold is the bastard love child of Mark Sanchez and Matt Leinart. He might be Sanchez now but I don't think he's Leinart in a year. This notion that he's been so terrible this year is kind of ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Still feel like the knocks on Rosen hold the least water. You could easily chalk up a significant portion of his struggles to his coaching staff and what he's asked to do every week. i don't know any QB that's asked to throw 50+ times and score a minimum of 40 pts / per game -- and not have the kinds of highs and lows that Rosen has had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 USC is a pretty bad looking team in most areas to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 23 minutes ago, Paradis said: Still feel like the knocks on Rosen hold the least water. You could easily chalk up a significant portion of his struggles to his coaching staff and what he's asked to do every week. i don't know any QB that's asked to throw 50+ times and score a minimum of 40 pts / per game -- and not have the kinds of highs and lows that Rosen has had. I watch Rosen and I can't help but think of Dan Marino. Without the pot stigma. I'd run to the podium for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 On 10/22/2017 at 6:33 PM, TuscanyTile2 said: Darnold is the only QB I'm interested in but I have to admit I don't watch too much college football. If you watched more college football then you wouldn't be interested in Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 3 hours ago, Beerfish said: No not at all, I liked Watson. Especially after he showed he threw as well as most others at the combine. Mayfield is mark sanchez imo. Darnold and Sanchez are the exact same thing: USC QBs who throw a lot of passes to the other team. The only knock on Mayfield is his height. The kid is a gamer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I always draft pro QBs because they are gamers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 9 minutes ago, Beerfish said: I always draft pro QBs because they are gamers. I always draft ones that throw picks and blame their coaches for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 17 hours ago, RESNewYork said: Anyone like Lamar Jackson? Saw the Louisville, Florida State. Saw really nice throws, and a few too many drops. The kid is fun to watch. Actually think he’s a much better prospect than people give him credit for. I wouldn’t mind at all ending up with him next draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 22 hours ago, joewilly12 said: USC quarterback Sam Darnold unlikely to enter NFL draft this year: report Tweet email USC quarterback Sam Darnold reportedly wants another year to develop. (CARLOS OSORIO/AP) Suck for Sam? Not so fast. The 3-4 Jets already seem to be winning too much this season — though the Giants aren’t — but the quarterback they’ve had their eyes on reportedly won’t be available in the NFL draft anyway. Sam Darnold is unlikely to leave the University of Southern California this year, according to radio host Benjamin Allbright. USC was blown out by Notre Dame on Saturday, 49-14, and Darnold has been criticized this season for not living up to high expectations. So far the sophomore QB has thrown 17 touchdowns and 10 interceptions, along with 2,292 yards. That means Big Blue, which dropped to 1-6 on Sunday, won’t have a shot at grooming him to potentially be Eli Manning’s eventual replacement, either. At least, not yet. Of course, either the Jets or Giants could hope to pick up another talented quarterback, like UCLA’s Josh Rosen, in the draft. Darnold doesn’t want to end in Cleveland or Indianapolis (rumor is the 49ers and Colts will do a Darnold and picks for Luck trade) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suck for Sam? Not so fast. The 3-4 Jets already seem to be winning too much this season — though the Giants aren’t — but the quarterback they’ve had their eyes on reportedly won’t be available in the NFL draft anyway. Sam Darnold is unlikely to leave the University of Southern California this year, according to radio host Benjamin Allbright. USC was blown out by Notre Dame on Saturday, 49-14, and Darnold has been criticized this season for not living up to high expectations. So far the sophomore QB has thrown 17 touchdowns and 10 interceptions, along with 2,292 yards. That means Big Blue, which dropped to 1-6 on Sunday, won’t have a shot at grooming him to potentially be Eli Manning’s eventual replacement, either. At least, not yet. Of course, either the Jets or Giants could hope to pick up another talented quarterback, like UCLA’s Josh Rosen, in the draft.
joewilly12 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 15 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Darnold doesn’t want to end in Cleveland or Indianapolis (rumor is the 49ers and Colts will do a Darnold and picks for Luck trade) Why would any team trade a star healthy rookie QB for a QB who is damaged goods? I doubt very much this happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Just now, joewilly12 said: Why would any team trade a star healthy rookie QB for a QB who is damaged goods? I doubt very much this happens. The ironic thing is I was talking to colts fans who had the exact opposite opinion “why in the heck would we trade Luck for Sam Darnold?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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