joewilly12 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 MLB bombshell: Red Sox illegally stole signs from Yankees using Apple device 5 Updated on September 5, 2017 at 5:05 PMPosted on September 5, 2017 at 4:51 PM Boston Red Sox manager John Farrell talks with home plate umpire Sam Holbrook during the sixth inning of a baseball game against the New York Yankees, Sunday, Sept. 3, 2017, at Yankee Stadium in New York. (Bill Kostroun/AP Photo) 25shares By Joe Giglio jgiglio@njadvancemedia.com, NJ Advance Media for NJ.com Now this should add a twist to the best rivalry in baseball. According to a report from The New York Times, the Boston Red Sox have been found to steal signs from the Yankees and other teams in baseball, with an Apple Watch at the forefront of the heist. Investigators for Major League Baseball have determined that the Boston Red Sox, who are in first place in the American League East and likely headed to the playoffs, executed a scheme to illicitly steal hand signals from opponents' catchers in games against the second-place Yankees and other teams, according to several people briefed on the matter. The baseball inquiry began about two weeks ago, after the Yankees' general manager, Brian Cashman, filed a detailed complaint with the commissioner's office that included video the Yankees shot of the Red Sox dugout during a three-game series in Boston last month. The Yankees, who had long been suspicious of the Red Sox stealing catchers' signs in Fenway Park, contended the video showed a member of the Red Sox training staff looking at his Apple Watch in the dugout and then relaying a message to players, who may have then been able to use the information to know the type of pitch that was going to be thrown, according to the people familiar with the case. After an investigation into the matter, MLB determined the Yankees instinct was correct--and the Red Sox admitted that the act had been on for several weeks of the season. Baseball investigators corroborated the Yankees' claims based on video the commissioner's office uses for instant replay and broadcasts, the people said. The commissioner's office then confronted the Red Sox, who admitted that their trainers had received signals from video replay personnel and then relayed that information to some players -- an operation that had been in place for at least several weeks. The report doesn't surmise on when a penalty could come down from Major League Baseball or how commissioner Rob Manfred will act with the end of the season looming. Yanks beat Sox The Yankees made up two games in the standings during their last season of the series against the first-place Red Sox. Barring a meeting during the playoffs in October, the Yankees and Red Sox won't meet again on the field this year. Joe Giglio may be reached at jgiglio@njadvancemedia.com. Follow him on Twitter @JoeGiglioSports. Find NJ.com on Facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Do all Boston teams cheat? Jeesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Stealing signs isn't illegal. The Yankees are also being investigated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Just now, CrazyCarl40 said: Stealing signs isn't illegal. The Yankees are also being investigated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 3 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Stealing signs isn't illegal. The Yankees are also being investigated. It's illegal to use electronic devices to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 6 hours ago, chirorob said: It's illegal to use electronic devices to do it. It's also against the rules to watch the game in the bullpen or dugout via an electronic device and the Yankees did that earlier this year. They're all breaking the rules. It usually doesn't get handled through the media like this but Cashman is a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 There has been sign stealing forever. Problem is the Red Sox were blatantly doing it and they got called out for it. Same as they did to Pineda a few years ago with the pine tar on his neck. They got called out and caught. Farrell should be suspended 10 games like Pineda got Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 2 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: It's also against the rules to watch the game in the bullpen or dugout via an electronic device and the Yankees did that earlier this year. They're all breaking the rules. It usually doesn't get handled through the media like this but Cashman is a child. Cashman didn't leak it to the media. When MLB found out what was going on, they released it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 8 minutes ago, chirorob said: Cashman didn't leak it to the media. When MLB found out what was going on, they released it. I didn't say he did. The fact he submitted a formal complaint is what makes him a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said: I didn't say he did. The fact he submitted a formal complaint is what makes him a child. Should he let them steal signs and potentially lose a game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 37 minutes ago, chirorob said: Should he let them steal signs and potentially lose a game? There are better ways to deal with the situation considering all teams are doing some form of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 16 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Stealing signs isn't illegal. The Yankees are also being investigated. The Yanks aren't being investigated. The Sawx got busted and admitted to it, then turned around with a lame whataboutism defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 3 hours ago, SMC said: The Yanks aren't being investigated. The Sawx got busted and admitted to it, then turned around with a lame whataboutism defense. Yes they are. This a big nothing burger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 7 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: I didn't say he did. The fact he submitted a formal complaint is what makes him a child. How childish. Like filing a formal protest about a claimed missed interference call on the basepaths when the Yankees did not even score in the inning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 5 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: There are better ways to deal with the situation considering all teams are doing some form of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 5 hours ago, SMC said: The Yanks aren't being investigated. The Sawx got busted and admitted to it, then turned around with a lame whataboutism defense. Dude everbody does it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 4 hours ago, #27TheDominator said: How childish. Like filing a formal protest about a claimed missed interference call on the basepaths when the Yankees did not even score in the inning? Not sure what you're referring to. Neither team looks good in this situation. Red Sox make have bent the rules but the Yankees violated baseball code. And they got it mostly wrong. I mean, they thought Doug Fister's mouthpiece was an audio device. It's so petty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 13 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Not sure what you're referring to. Neither team looks good in this situation. Red Sox make have bent the rules but the Yankees violated baseball code. And they got it mostly wrong. I mean, they thought Doug Fister's mouthpiece was an audio device. It's so petty. You have a short memory. it was in July. Baseball code? That's a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 59 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: You have a short memory. it was in July. Baseball code? That's a good one. Still have no idea what you're referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Matt Holliday sliding into first in the 11th inning. Ellsbury grounded to first. Moreland threw to 2nd. Holliday thought he was going to step on the bag and throw down, so he ran back and slid into first and Ellsbury was safe at first. The Red Sox protested - okay fair enough, but the Yankees didn't score and they still filed a formal protest. What was the formal protest going to do? It wouldn't even change Ellsbury's batting average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 8 hours ago, #27TheDominator said: Matt Holliday sliding into first in the 11th inning. Ellsbury grounded to first. Moreland threw to 2nd. Holliday thought he was going to step on the bag and throw down, so he ran back and slid into first and Ellsbury was safe at first. The Red Sox protested - okay fair enough, but the Yankees didn't score and they still filed a formal protest. What was the formal protest going to do? It wouldn't even change Ellsbury's batting average. Google is your friend: Even though the play had no outcome on the final score, Farrell and the Red Sox are hoping that by protesting they'll prevent this type of play from happening again. "I think that's where it's important to go through with it," Farrell said. "If this is called once then maybe it shuts it down. But who's to say this couldn't be done many times over?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 On 9/6/2017 at 10:54 AM, CrazyCarl40 said: There are better ways to deal with the situation considering all teams are doing some form of this. Every team is using Apple Watches? Gonna buy me some of that stock lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 4 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Google is your friend: Even though the play had no outcome on the final score, Farrell and the Red Sox are hoping that by protesting they'll prevent this type of play from happening again. "I think that's where it's important to go through with it," Farrell said. "If this is called once then maybe it shuts it down. But who's to say this couldn't be done many times over?" Farrell is a child lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 13 hours ago, #27TheDominator said: Matt Holliday sliding into first in the 11th inning. Ellsbury grounded to first. Moreland threw to 2nd. Holliday thought he was going to step on the bag and throw down, so he ran back and slid into first and Ellsbury was safe at first. The Red Sox protested - okay fair enough, but the Yankees didn't score and they still filed a formal protest. What was the formal protest going to do? It wouldn't even change Ellsbury's batting average. It will prove that Farrell is a child. It is par for the course. The teams up there are always like that. Years ago Woody Johnson messed up and mentioned Darrelle Revis' name in a press conference. Within minutes he called Robert Kraft to apologize and say that he was in no way tampering. Kraft said no problem. Two hours later the Jets were notified by the league that Kraft filed tampering charges. Kraft is a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 5 hours ago, Maxman said: Farrell is a child lol. For reporting an actual rules violation? Get a grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 4 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: For reporting an actual rules violation? Get a grip. I don't actually know. What rule did he violate? Not making fun or starting a fight, I don't know what he did that was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 50 minutes ago, chirorob said: I don't actually know. What rule did he violate? Not making fun or starting a fight, I don't know what he did that was wrong. Once you're put out, as Holiday was, anything that impedes the fielders from other plays on runners is interference. It's text book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 12 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Once you're put out, as Holiday was, anything that impedes the fielders from other plays on runners is interference. It's text book. He didn't know he was out and stayed within the basepath. This was not Reggie doing the bump during the World Series. It is not a big deal, but par for the course. Red Sox and Yankees bitch about one another. The one that is cheating does not get to take the high road about "baseball code." I am sure the rest of the league appreciates the Red Sox filing this protest to prevent this grave injustice from happening again. Such altruism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Oh look. Undisclosed fines for both the Sox and the Yankees. Much ado about nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 2 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Oh look. Undisclosed fines for both the Sox and the Yankees. Much ado about nothing. Actually, Red Sox were fined for sign stealing. Yanks were fined for bullpen phone use from last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 15 minutes ago, SMC said: Actually, Red Sox were fined for sign stealing. Yanks were fined for bullpen phone use from last season. Actually what? Both teams were fined as a result of these shenanigans. There's no actually because what I stated was fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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