Stark Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Posted this in the Draft Forum as well: Sports Science ran a "Darnold" short episode. Some nice measurable in that that I will post screen captures of: Velocity, Reaction time, & Improved Release time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 i still don't understand why lamar jackson isn't included. he can throw accurately from the pocket. and if you put any of these other qbs with louisville's team vs. clemson, they also get creamed. jackson is a better version of tyrod taylor, and that's good enough to win, way more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: i still don't understand why lamar jackson isn't included. he can throw accurately from the pocket. and if you put any of these other qbs with louisville's team vs. clemson, they also get creamed. jackson is a better version of tyrod taylor, and that's good enough to win, way more. Jackson still relies on his legs a little too much for my liking. At his size I feel like his career is a few seasons long if he doesn't adapt to working in the pocket a lot more. He can prove me wrong. I see him throwing to open receivers and the ball is not leading the receiver but behind them on more than a few throws. If he can improve his accuracy and play from the pocket and he can change my opinion of him. My current opinion is that he is an electric player with a good arm that I don't want to draft at the top of round 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 key : Oct. 8,.. we play the browns...stay calm &... Lose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Am I alone in being very skeptical of Darnold? I'm too lazy to read through, but the whole two year starter for a program that consistently produces softies really doesn't do it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 I hope we go 0-16 fam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, Lego My Lageman said: I hope we go 0-16 fam Word Fam, same here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Just now, southtown24th said: Word Fam, same here. Bumps fist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 16 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Am I alone in being very skeptical of Darnold? I'm too lazy to read through, but the whole two year starter for a program that consistently produces softies really doesn't do it for me. I'm with you. I'm not as impressed with him as others seem to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Isn't Lamar Jackson around 6'3 220. Is that small? That's a big safety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, RESNewYork said: Isn't Lamar Jackson around 6'3 220. Is that small? That's a big safety He's got tiny calves and peg legs, but he's fun to watch . If I were him, I would stay in school unless I was guaranteed a top 5 selection . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 23 hours ago, Stark said: Fixed. Allen is gone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Lego My Lageman said: I hope we go 0-16 fam ..hello, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 On 9/19/2017 at 10:40 AM, gEYno said: Bowles won't be the coach of this team next year. The question is if they're dumb enough to let Macc stick around. Unfortunately they are. Chris Johnson looks just as stupid and weak as his bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 4 hours ago, Tinstar said: He's got tiny calves and peg legs, but he's fun to watch . If I were him, I would stay in school unless I was guaranteed a top 5 selection . He will be a top 5 selection. Everyone needs a qb. He's a better prospect than Deshaun Watson and he got picked very high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 4 hours ago, SenorGato said: Am I alone in being very skeptical of Darnold? I'm too lazy to read through, but the whole two year starter for a program that consistently produces softies really doesn't do it for me. Thankfully for Packers fans, their GM was dissuaded by a Kyle Boller, a soft QB from Cal when they evaluated Aaron Rogers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 LOL you guys saying Darnold is soft just because he's a USC player is maybe the dumbest thing ever LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 I'm sorry but this 2 year starter from a soft program excuse is nuts. Do you watch him in detail? LOL do you even have to watch in detail with the obvious talent that oozes out of each throw? I'm no scout and I'm no head coach(though I strive to be one some day) the franchise ability is there. The vision, footwork, moxie, attitude, ball placement, anticipation is all highly regarded in a similar way Luck was..but I think he's just a little better than Luck prospect wise. You guys are insane if you don't come away majorly impressed with every game he plays .. 13 wins .. 1 loss.. I'm just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: I'm sorry but this 2 year starter from a soft program excuse is nuts. Do you watch him in detail? LOL do you even have to watch in detail with the obvious talent that oozes out of each throw? I'm no scout and I'm no head coach(though I strive to be one some day) the franchise ability is there. The vision, footwork, moxie, attitude, ball placement, anticipation is all highly regarded in a similar way Luck was..but I think he's just a little better than Luck prospect wise. You guys are insane if you don't come away majorly impressed with every game he plays .. 13 wins .. 1 loss.. I'm just saying. B-but he plays at USC and Matt Leinart and Mark Sanchez played der uh der der Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Fiiiine on Darnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Where have all the Jackson supporters gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 the 4th QB watch thread. Also, why do we have a draft forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 36 minutes ago, Paradis said: the 4th QB watch thread. Also, why do we have a draft forum? In the future, I will check in for your permission before starting a thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 9 hours ago, Augustiniak said: i still don't understand why lamar jackson isn't included. he can throw accurately from the pocket. and if you put any of these other qbs with louisville's team vs. clemson, they also get creamed. jackson is a better version of tyrod taylor, and that's good enough to win, way more. When I think about my dream for the Jets, it's "a better version of Tyron Taylor." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 In the future, I will check in for your permission before starting a thread. And I'll keep an eye out for your hurt feelings. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Where have all the Jackson supporters gone? Define supporter? I'm a fan. Wouldn't take him in top 2-3 tho -- in other words he's not a target for us. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, Paradis said: Define supporter? I'm a fan. Wouldn't take him in top 2-3 tho -- in other words he's not a target for us. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk There you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 There you are Are we duelling? I don't think ever intimated he's ready to compete for #1 overall... I also think it's silly that people say things like "he's not a qb" Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Just now, Paradis said: Are we duelling? I don't think ever intimated he's ready to compete for #1 overall... I also think it's silly that people say things like "he's not a qb" Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Just kidding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Paradis said: And I'll keep an eye out for your hurt feelings. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk You think my feelings are hurt... how cute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 On 19/09/2017 at 6:13 PM, Il Mostro said: The race to the bottom of the barrel is extraordinarily competitive this season. Jets have to be on their game. Lol so true, it'll just be typical of our luck that 2-14 will only be good enough for the 9th overall pick next April Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 18 hours ago, Augustiniak said: i still don't understand why lamar jackson isn't included. he can throw accurately from the pocket. and if you put any of these other qbs with louisville's team vs. clemson, they also get creamed. jackson is a better version of tyrod taylor, and that's good enough to win, way more. Totally agree, He reminds me a lot of Randall Cunningham, perhaps an inch maybe two shorter but he is a better runner than either Taylor or even Mariota in my opinion and his arm talent is off the scale. Lots of comparisons to michael Vick who was a consensus No 1 overall pick and people forget that prior to his fall from grace he was one of the elite QB's in the league. He needs to show this year he can get his completion percentage up over the 60% mark or it'll be Hackenberg 2.0 but as you say a better version of Tyrod Taylor is still way better than anything we've had in years. His height/weight at the combine will be interesting and losing to that Clemson side is no disgrace, the key will be how he bounces back from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 17 hours ago, RESNewYork said: Isn't Lamar Jackson around 6'3 220. Is that small? That's a big safety Listed and what he actually is are two entirely different things, If he is 6-3 and 220 then that is plenty big enough and will assuage one of the biggest concerns about him but I'd guess he's somewhere closer to 6-2 205.....not awful, but not ideal either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 17 hours ago, SenorGato said: Am I alone in being very skeptical of Darnold? I'm too lazy to read through, but the whole two year starter for a program that consistently produces softies really doesn't do it for me. No I'm not convinced either although you have to admit he just keeps getting it done, watching him this week he just gets the ball out quickly and makes plays but damn it's ugly, maybe that butt-ugly throwing motion is blinding me to his obvious talents but nothing about him screams 'pocket passer' to me, he seems very skittish in the pocket and I don't rate his footwork much at all. I'd also be shocked if he is anywhere near 6-4 220, looks about the same build as Lamar Jackson who supposedly has 'size concerns' For me it's Rosen all day long, still not sure what to make of Darnold and then after that clearly Josh Allen has hurt himself so much I doubt he even declares. My two most intruiging options after that are Jackson and Nick Fitzgerald of Mississippi State. Surprised the LSU thumping hasn't garnered him more looks but he's a hell of a talent, much like LJ he needs to prove he can be a pocket passer first and electrifying runner second but I wouldn't be shocked if by draft time he hasn't done a Ryan Tannehill/ Mahomes style rise and is a serious consideration inside the top 10. Right now if we are picking No1 overall i take Rosen every time, if we find ourselves picking 5-8 then I'm seriously hoping either of LJ or NF develop enough to warrant taking at that spot. Mayfield and Rudolph I don't see in the conversation top 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 18 minutes ago, redlichtie said: No I'm not convinced either although you have to admit he just keeps getting it done, watching him this week he just gets the ball out quickly and makes plays but damn it's ugly, maybe that butt-ugly throwing motion is blinding me to his obvious talents but nothing about him screams 'pocket passer' to me, he seems very skittish in the pocket and I don't rate his footwork much at all. I'd also be shocked if he is anywhere near 6-4 220, looks about the same build as Lamar Jackson who supposedly has 'size concerns' For me it's Rosen all day long, still not sure what to make of Darnold and then after that clearly Josh Allen has hurt himself so much I doubt he even declares. My two most intruiging options after that are Jackson and Nick Fitzgerald of Mississippi State. Surprised the LSU thumping hasn't garnered him more looks but he's a hell of a talent, much like LJ he needs to prove he can be a pocket passer first and electrifying runner second but I wouldn't be shocked if by draft time he hasn't done a Ryan Tannehill/ Mahomes style rise and is a serious consideration inside the top 10. Right now if we are picking No1 overall i take Rosen every time, if we find ourselves picking 5-8 then I'm seriously hoping either of LJ or NF develop enough to warrant taking at that spot. Mayfield and Rudolph I don't see in the conversation top 20 I must be watching a different guy. Darnold looks great and I love Rosen also. I'd take Baker Mayfield over the other two. Jackson is 4th on my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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